If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >Post at least some attempt at a parts list for critique >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G >R3 2200G - Gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >G5400 - HTPC, web browsing, or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >i3 8100 - Budget gaming builds >R5 2600/X or i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 2600 for multithread perf) >R7 2700/X or i7 8700K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >1080p graphics cards are almost back to their MSRPs; RX 570 4GB is preferred over the 3GB 1060 if you can find them for the same price 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
How is my pc Jow Forums? >pcpartpicker.com/list/8yKpHh I'm waiting patiently for the corsair RAM to arrive, at the moment i'm using a ripjaws x 1x8gb. In the future i might upgrade to a xeon CPU. My 920 d0 is OCed to 4.0ghz and running very cool. I'm also looking into PCIe sata since my ssd is currently using sata ii
Any major critiques? I think it's pretty good considering how old most of the hardware actually is
Hunter Ramirez
Nice try shintel shill
Xavier Edwards
>bentium memes >bentium Tell me, which one of us is meming?
what happened to that website/image that listed recommended parts based on money willing to be spent that was updated frequently.
Michael Hughes
Honest question. Will a 2200g + 1050ti perform better than the 8100 + 1050ti?
Caleb Gutierrez
32GB of RAM is completely unnecessary, but otherwise that's a great build with an exceptional monitor
Jacob Barnes
Should be fine, the cpu may bottleneck the 970 but i would try it and take it from there
Aiden Nguyen
x470 m-itx when
Christian Clark
Sorry to tell you but, you're not going to get far in life.
Caleb Jones
You're thinking of logical increments, which isn't recommended. The OP pcpartpicker build list is more reasonable and has builds for most budgets (except there aren't any conspicuous consumption type builds)
They'll probably perform about the same, because the 1050Ti will usually bottleneck either CPU. If you had asked about a 1060 + 2200G or i3 8100, I would say the i3 build would perform somewhat better on average
Michael Jenkins
is the 8700k worth the extra £75 over the 8600k?
Eli Moore
>not falling for the 32gb meme yet we'll all be sorry later
Farther than you faggot. Go kys.
Robert Kelly
If you look at meaningful fps increases in games no.
Aaron Anderson
If you want value get the 8400, if you want max fps get the 8700k, if you dont care about fps dont buy intel
Jackson Reed
>no G5400
John Rodriguez
An i5 8400 can max out a 1080Ti at 1080p in almost all games, so I'd say neither of them are worth it. If I had to chose, definitely the i7.
Logan Anderson
>not realizing the G5400 is better than the G4560 for basically the same price It's like I have to explain everything
what is this turbo mode that basically brings the 8400 up to a 8600k? Does turbo mean built in overclock out of the box or something? Doesn't it need to be a K series to do that? What the fuck am I looking at here.
also wanted to add I'm trying to upgrade my i5 6600 since its like 3 years old and is always melting while my 1070 barely goes over 50% when i play my vidya.
Also I'm not that other guy
Jacob Stewart
Well it's 4c8t @4ghz. Would I be better off with a Xeon? Or should I just OC this even further?
Is there any difference between, let's say, trident z and vengeance lpx ram if they're both 3200MHz and CL16? What's else can be different (excluding the heat spreaders)? If so, what's considered the "best" ram? I saw a picture on Jow Forums a while ago that mentioned differences between different gaymen ram sticks, but I don't know if it was a meme
Zachary Ortiz
Buy the 8400 you arent going to be able to deal with overclocking a k skew, they are really hot and not good for beginners and really need a delid. 8400 you just install and leave it be
Hunter Russell
how far from the truth this would be? The gap would be bigger or smaller?
Try the 970 and go from there. Are you runing a 60hz monitor?
Evan Kelly
That's what I'm driving at. No one smart gets a 1080Ti for 1080p, so there's no reason to get anything more than an i5 8400 for gaming, considering it can max out an already unreasonable combination.
(Of course, 2600/X is a great alternative and might be better in the long run.)
even though the 8600k is only pennies more? 1440p monitor by the way. So I don't want to overclock I mean that is cool but why wouldn't I get the 8600k anyway? isn't 2.8 compared to 3.6 base a big difference? I'm asking to understand not to be difficult.
Justin Bailey
I mean you should ignore 1080p and look at what bottlenecks 1080ti at 1440p.
Christian Gomez
No, U. Nice screencap. Here's your (you). Now go kys.
monitor was in my list. Zowie xl2411p. 1080p 144hz
Zachary Allen
The 8600 is clocked the same as the 8600k if you dont want to oc
Luke Butler
Oof yeah that cpu wont be great for 144hz
Jackson Edwards
You're embarrassing yourself still :(
Nathaniel Cox
Dumb site, don't use it. At 1440p the i7 won't bottleneck a 1080. If you're at 1080p you probably shouldn't be getting a 1080, and even so the i7 will still be fine
He's only got a 970, it'll be fine.
Pretty much any CPU gets bottlenecked at 1440p.
All core boost clock difference is 300MHz between i5 8400 and i5 8600K
Neither Coraair nor G.Skill produce memory chips. All they do is bin the chips and design the PCB/heat sinks. If you are not into memory OC, select the best price/performance kit (3000 CL16 is usually the best for this). If you are into memory OC, consider 3200 CL14/3600 CL16 or better because they use Samsung's higher performance dies. Depends on game and resolution. At 1080p (with a 3770) you could have a bottleneck, sometimes (not usually noticable though). At 1440p you definitely won't. Assuming 144Hz for 1080p; anything less and the 1080 makes no sense
my ram is what was really holding 144hz back though atleast in overwatch. I just swapped my 1x8gb with 2x4gb and i can now hold 154fps without a single frame drop. with the 1x8 it would drop to 90fps during intense fights. I don't play many newer games so this 920 is fine. but i do think a 6c12t xeon OCed to maybe 4.5ghz is coming in the near future
Single rank vs dual rank can have a small effect (maybe 5% on average favoring dual rank). For Ryzen the best RAM is 3200 CL14, but the difference is basically unnoticeable between 3200 CL14 and CL16
I'm forced on buying from this retailer, they don't have any other PSU's aside from CM and Corsair. I'm not sure about the quality of the CM PSU's (MasterWatt 500Lite, 600Lite), so I went with this one. The RAM is also placeholder for now, but it is a plain 1x8GB Kingston.
Levi Gutierrez
>Pretty much any CPU gets bottlenecked at 1440p. I'd say that in that graph the 107-109 fps cpus arent bottlenecking, its just being bottlenecked by the gpu. What it means 8400 or 1600x are an okay pair up for vega 64 but 1500 isn't.
Brandon Cruz
And just like in the last general, I sperg out and forget to post the fucking link
>its just being bottlenecked by the gpu. Correct, which is what I meant by "Pretty much any CPU gets bottlenecked [or limited even by a high end graphics card] at 1440p."
>but 1500 isn't. It's certainly a questionable purchasing decision, and I would never suggest it, but obviously the CPU limitation is small and the graphics card's performance will deteriorate a lot faster than that of the CPU, so soon even the 1500X will be able to max out the Vega 64 at 1440p. CPU requirements are fairly stagnant while graphics requirements increase relatively quickly
Pretty bad choices for motherboard (won't be able to hand an upgrade to an i7), RAM (single channel), and SSD (slow, small, bad value). Look at the builds in the OP pcpartpicker
Nathaniel Bailey
Get 2666 ram and someone could probably point you to a seasonic psu for the same price that is better. Other than that it looks good.
Michael Moore
Cheers
Wyatt Wood
Why would you want to upgrade the 8400 to an 8700k? 8400 easily will last until we have 7nm and 10nm cpus
Justin Sanchez
I'd get an x470 board
Easton Brooks
>If anything it's your GPU that will be struggling >That's hard to do even for a 1080 but..but I will probably just use lower settings anyway
when i used my now sold 1060 i could get 115fps in games like bf4 but unfortunately just 50-77 on games like pubg.
It used to be that you buy cpu, and that lasts like 5 gpu generations before you needed an upgrade. Now cpus affect fps in games more so you need to invest a bit more so they dont start bottlenecking your expensive gpus immediately
Nolan Murphy
My retailer only handles ASUS Motherboards, that's the problem. The SSD is something that I will upgrade in the future and I might go for 2x4GB of ram if I can afford it (kinda limited on budget). If the MasterWatt 600 Lite is good for this setup, I will definietly up the MOBO or the RAM They don't have A-DATA, but they do have a Kingston Fury 4gb 2666 (will get two of these if I can) Is this a good alternative?
Henry Mitchell
It used to be you were glad to get 60fps, now people are upset it you cant hold 120 steady. Its fine
Justin Reed
Sure, 3200MHz would be optimal
Adam Baker
The new Noctua fans that came out this week are damn wonderful and I'm no shill. Buy that.
Is there any meaningful difference between cl15 3000 and cl16 3200?
Alexander Myers
Sometime down the line he might want to upgrade. Just because there's new chips doesn't mean you want to buy a whole new platform. Also it's possible that the new Coffee Lake chips (up to 8 core) will work with 300 series mobos
If you want a 1080, just grab and see how it works. You can upgrade the CPU later if need be
Not really, I'm saying he'd upgrade the CPU at some point far in the future
The most you can use on a non-Z 300 series mobo with an i5 is 2666
Landon Robinson
Noctua fans werent wonderful before?
Aaron King
No
Ethan Thomas
You can ramp that one up to 1200+ RPM and still not hear a thing. It's a lot of innovation and nothing else can compare ATM. t. huge fan nerd
Christopher Myers
You couldn't hear a thing before.
Josiah Nguyen
You couldn't.
Jeremiah Mitchell
>tfw I just placed an order for 5 noctua case fans and they're already shipped
The 8700k need a nice overclocking board and some fast ram, planning for that ruins the budget value of his current build. He should save that money for the next build
Anything with RAM you're chasing single digit percent difference in performance, and typical cases
Dylan Gonzalez
Will it cause stuttering in vidya? I havent noticed any stuttering yet
Noah Flores
I'll probably need a month before getting the right 1080 but when I get it I'll try posting here how it went. thanks
Lincoln Howard
>single channel >2133mhz >3200mhz-tier timings kinda bad user, you could try manually overclocking
Asher Rodriguez
I didn't know they made RAM that bad.
Jeremiah King
This is why I don't recommend Gigabyte (or MSI). ASUS and ASRock only.
TR2 will be out before 8 core coffeelake.
What makes you think the stuttering is a GPU bottleneck? Stuttering is almost always due to a CPU bottleneck. GPUs perform more consistently.
>Are there any drawbacks to ITX builds If you only need 1 PCI slot facing out, then no.
>ignoring 4 cores
Does all the plastic make it go faster?
>So tell me, what is the best CPU/RAM/Motherboard combo I can get for about 150 euros right now? You would have to go DDR3. You can't get 2x2GB of DDR4. Something like an A8+2x2gb ddr3+cheap board would be under $150. But if you spend $100 more, you can get twice the RAM, and a 3x more powerful CPU and GPU, with the 2200G.. >I don't mind second hand. Try finding a used a12-9800+ram+motherboard for under $150.
Camden Hall
I-is there a guide for building laptops?
Jeremiah Long
Probably not but running it in single channel really isnt good. If you had another one and ran duel channel it would be fine
Brody Edwards
> This is why I don't recommend Gigabyte (or MSI). I just bought a Gigabyte mobo as it was a good deal for the features it offered and was on sale. How fucked am I?
Nathan Thompson
He could get a locked i7 8700, which can be used to its full potential an an $80-85 board, and like I said, he might be able to use an 8 core i7 9700 an a board like a ASRock Pro4 B360, which has overkill power phases
Enable XMB or try manual OC. If you only have 1x 8GB you can't use dual channel, so buy another 8GB stick ASAP
>a12-9800 Absolutely dumb. Never suggest Bulldozer at this point.
Brandon Robinson
iGPU -- definitely. dGPU -- probably not.
Andrew Gray
>XMB Whups, mean XMP
Nolan Martin
> >a12-9800 >Absolutely dumb. Never suggest Bulldozer at this point. If he wants to spend ONLY $150, it's probably his best choice. The recommendation is to spend $250 and get something modern.
Dylan Turner
AsRock has fake phases, its no better than the competators
>a12-9800 >Absolutely dumb. Never suggest Bulldozer at this point. He had a $150 budget for RAM+board+cpu, you dumb fucktard. You can't even get a G5400 with dual channel memory for that. Cheapest it would be is $185. And a12-9800 isn't Bulldozer, you double fucktard. It's Excavator. For 's purpose, a used a12-9800 is the best fit.
Carson Sanders
Not the guy you replied to, but what do you mean with fake phases? The only board I want to get is the x470 Taichi because it looks less childish than the competition. Is it shit?
Aiden Wood
8100 will outperform the 2200G stock with a GPU. Though when you overclock the 2200G, things will even out.
However, in 1-3 years when you want to upgrade, the 8100's only upgrade path without buying a new motherboard is a locked 8700. While the 2200G can upgrade to a 7nm 8core and overclock it. That's why anyone who recommends the 8100 is a dumb manipulative shill like
Alexander Robinson
They do it on the cheaper boards. Taichi is a proper overclocking board
I want to build an mITX machine. Talk me out of it. I just want it for the aesthetics.
Jordan Sanders
8100 can be upgraded to an 8700 though. Ryzen is only releasing one more round of cpus on this current chipset, and its going to be another rebrand with marginal increases, 7nm will be after support ends in 2020
Christopher Hall
Every company does that for budget boards Besides, ASRock absolutely loves to give high-end VRMs a shit ton of real phases Do you want to OC, SLI, or use a standard PSU? If not, go for it.
So basically my monitor died, Jow Forums. What's the gist of what I need to know to pick up a new monitor? I don't know what almost any of those numbers besides inches and resolution mean.
>Ryzen is only releasing one more round of cpus on this current chipset, and its going to be another rebrand with marginal increases, 7nm will be after support ends in 2020 >>>>Zen2 is just a refresh >>>>nm not until after 2020 Lying this blatantly.
