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asrock ab350m pro4

I will take some pics tomorrow morning. Also, the fucking SATA ports are parallel to the PCI slot, so you can not access your SATA ports once you have installed your graphics card. they also are at a 90 degree angle, so you want to have angled SATA heads, but because the ports are stacked, you can only get two angled heads on there at a time as the bottom two would lead into the case. so if you want to use more then two sata ports, you have to have the hands of an 11 year old, or you pull the whole board out of the case.

GTX 1160 when? 1060/580 are shit and I'm not spending $400+ for a 1070

I just want a new PC already, I feel like I'm always playing the waiting game. Every other component is fine, but these GPUs are almost 2 years old now.

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>debacle
It's retarded. The other option is the socket change a year keeping the goyim in fear (and forcing them to buy the newer motherboards with OOB compatible chipsets).

I have a pro4 as well. But I'm not using the stock cooler.
but you odn't have a 2700X right?
But even with a 2700X it has a good deal of clearence to put in RAM.

Later this year or next year.

Overblown. You can get a boot kit, you can go to a local shop, you can get a board that can update BIOS without a CPU.
Much better than absolutely having to replace your fucking motherboad that is perfectly fine. Environmental regulators should crack down on Intel.

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Actually correction, you may have to take the 2700X cooler off to put RAM in the first slot on some boards.
It's like that with my cooler too for all slots.
But it should have clearance to be above it fine.

Does anyone have a good 144hz monitor to recommend? VA or IPS only, but cheap aa possible.
I do have a Radeon, so freesync would be cool but I don't need it desu.
I'm using the Acer XF240H atm and it looks like complete garbage. Horrible contrast and colors, no matter what settings I use.
I don't really care what size, but I prefer smaller, about 24". US.

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msi optics fits your description, but i don't know if it's good or not.

RX 560 2GB or RX 560 4GB in 2018? The difference between the variants in my country is about $20. The 1050 is about in between in price. The 1050Ti is about $30-40 more than the 4GB, and I feel like I can't justify that boost in performance especially when a 1060 3GB is just about $80-110 more than the 1050Ti.

If 4GB RX560 is only $10 more than a 1050, then that seems like the clear choice given that it matches the 1050Ti in actual DX12/Vulkan games.

$30 more for a 1050Ti isn't terrible either, but if it's more than you need then there is no sense in spending more money.

How's overclocking on the RX 560, specifically the Sapphire Pulse 4GB, I imagine there's more headroom over the 1050Ti because of the PCIe power connector. Does it take it to 1050Ti-like performance by say just increasing the power draw?

Hopefully soon, But I'm afraid the prices will be aids once they are out.

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when will the new amd gpus come out?

>DON'T get NVMeme w/ Ryzen when you can use Optane with StoreMi instead.
Why?

Silent base 800 or dark base 900 (without the side window)?

>why
Kinda overblown. Meant to edit it to something else but reverted it.

But Optane works much better on Ryzen with StoreMi than on Intel. It doesn't have to be set up before windows install and tiered storage > cache.
It works so well that Optane is actually worthwhile and better price-performance than NVMe on Ryzen.

NVMe doesn't offer very good improvements in iop/s and other metrics over SATA. It's mostly only an improvement in moving large files which everyone except for video editors simply doesn't do and it's just not worth the extra cost. Optane is better in every way, and by a lot, and is actually kind of worth the cost especially when you compare to how little of an increase NVMe is over SATA while costing twice as much.

Is Asrock AB350 Pro4 a decent board? I heard it got 3x2 power phases.

>1060 6GB, $230
You mean 330*

yeah 3 doubled phases, 2 soc.
But it's got great Linux support, a good layout of PCI slots, very good BIOS. So eh.

I still got a good result on my 1600X with it. 3.7GHz @ only 1.0875v. Maybe I just have the most golden 1600X anyone has ever gotten, but the board can't have THAT bad of ripple for that to be stable. I'd still take it over 4+2 Gigabyte/MSI.

What CPU/GPU combination should I be considering for grindfest MMOs like FFXIV, BDO, TERA and, to a lesser extent, BnS?

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guise, im trying to understand what im building.. am i going too deep?

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What are the minimum system requirements for streaming Nier a tomato at 1080p and 60fps?
What are the minimum system requirements for streaming VR games while playing them on the same computer?

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if you want smoothness in games you need a tn panel period. And if you buy the monitor to play at best performance you don't care about visual angles, colors and contrast ratio. Just get another ips 60hz to do photo editing, movies or whatever. Looking for something that does everything just produces poor quality. The msi optix is only advertised in here and it sucks to play games. Get a benq zowie and get over it already. If you care more about visuals than raw performance get a curved samsung 144hz.

RX560 or GTX 1050 would be fine for those, m8. They're made to run on net cafes.
Hell, you could probably run them perfectly fine on a 2400G, even.
Hm close... youtube.com/watch?v=i5MFy4694TM but not quite. The CPU is handling it fine, but the GPU is maxed out. Seems to be on max settings, though.
youtube.com/watch?v=sPIL6hC4Ugw Here's BDO. Actually super playable but that's outside towns.

BDO is actually fairly demanding and also well threaded, but even a 6700k is a stutterfest, now that I remember. But I think that's just some Intel arch bug that caused stuttering in some games. youtube.com/watch?v=OZcCqnE5mRw
You might want to get something like a 2600/X and RX570 if you really want to run them consistently smooth, maxed, at 60fps+ in all but maybe the most crowded towns. But you could get away with a 2400G with graphics settings turned down if you only want to spend about $500 for the build in total.

I can't tell you for the other games you asked, though. But afaik BDO is the more demanding of those CPU wise.

>What are the minimum system requirements for streaming Nier a tomato at 1080p and 60fps?
Too specific of a question.
Probably 2700X, but could need Threadripper depending on the quality you're looking for. But I think an 8700k may handle it, at least on fast quality preset if not medium.

pcpartpicker.com/list/xcFZw6

any improvements I can make for +/- $100?

>I imagine there's more headroom over the 1050Ti because of the PCIe power connector.
More than that, overclocking headroom is far higher on Radeon GPUs in general because Nvidia locks the voltage because they don't want you getting more value for your money out of their cards.
Also a 10% clock speed increase on Polaris nets you a 7-8% performance increase, while on Pascal a 10% clock speed increase nets you about a 4-6% performance increase, on top of that limitations.

So yes, you will get further with overclocking on an RX560 since you can increase the voltage, but it's also going to consume a lot more power as a result.

But part of it will depend on the games you play. On a lot of older games, the RX560 is going to be +/- 10% the 1050. Whereas with newer ones like Wolfenstein 2, it gets like 40% higher FPS and roughly matches the 1050Ti instead.
But if you play GTAV, a 5 year old game, that favors the 1050 heavily. Though is still plenty playable on the RX560.

pcpartpicker.com/user/oshirigami/saved/22sd6h By getting this instead? You can save money, get a bigger SSD. Also seems like you forgot the PSU.
Build may be useful for as well depending on budget.

30% more, not 40%

I'm planning on building a new computer and want to upgrade to an i7 since I'll be focusing more on video editing and streaming in the next few months.
My current build is using pic related

I was considering upgrading to either the 7700k or 8700k, but I'm still on the fence about the two. I also plan on upgrading the ram to 16GB and around DDR4 3200-3600, depending on whether I see a good deal for it. What would be a good motherboard to supplement either of these chips?

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I tried to get into Jow Forums for months but I am work slave with no spare time and I just want back to gaming.
I found offer for following prebuild for 1100€ or 1300dollaroos

Intel Core i5-8400 (2.8 GHz)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (8 Gt GDDR5)
8 Gt DDR4 2400 MHz SDRAM
128 Gt M.2 SSD & 1 Tt SATA (7200 RPM) -
6 x USB 3.0, 2 x USB 3.0 Type-C, 2 x USB 2.0, DVI, HDMI, 3 x Displayport
WiFi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac (2x2) & Bluetooth 4.0

I'd would had to pay the same price or more as bying parts is stupid expensive here.
Is there any glaring problems with this build?
I will upgrade ram to 16gt, but I can't see any other problems.

1080p 144Hz monitor should be good choice for 60+fps comfy gaming on ultra settings? Thinking about total wars and pubg for example.

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Speccy says my 2700X is hovering around 100 celsius when idling. I seriously doubt that's right.
What are some reliable temperature viewing programs?

The 7700k is frankly a terrible choice since you'll have to get a new motherboard anyway. I'd recommend a 2700(x) for streaming and videoediting.

Since you say Gt, I assume you're a fellow finn? Get something from Jimm's instead.

pcpartpicker.com/list/cRyW4q
Is there anything wrong with this build?

If I get a 1070ti, would my 4690K severely bottleneck it? Specifically if I'll use it mainly for VR?

I want to get a VR set, but my current GPU is too weak. I was thinking of getting a 1070ti, then by the end of the year upgrading the rest of my PC. $1000+ on a whole new setup on top of the VR set is a bit too much for me right now.

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Assumed it right, can't see the point of Jimm's as getting the same parts or similar prebuild would cost me more.
This one is on discount at Powers, name: HP OMEN 880-119NO

I was doing a budget build like 6 months ago and got Ryzen 5 1600 and so far it has been doing good. But if I get extra cash what CPU should I upgrade to to warrant the upgrade? Should I still stick with AMD or maybe switch mobo and get intel?
I have 1060 6GB

Also the only game right now that I play and feel like CPU is the limiting factor is Total War Warhammer 2, I would obviously want to upgrade for the 3rd game so that might be year, or more, away.

I'd get a MX300 275GB or a SU800 256GB and this if you have one close
microcenter.com/product/5001848/AMD_Ryzen_5_2600X_with_Wraith_Spire_Cooler,_ASUS_Prime_X470-Pro_CPU-Motherboard_Bundle
Get a dual fan GPU and a M12II 520 or a 620 EVO
pcpartpicker.com/product/7RKhP6/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-windforce-oc-6g-video-card-gv-n1060wf2oc-6gd

Just get a 4790k.
> video editing and streaming
Wait, what? Your considering a 7700k threw me way the fuck off. Obviously Ryzen. I seriously don't understand this retardation.

>tiny 125gb SSD
This is going to be so good at rebooting Windows 10 times a day and literally nothing else. Good thinking!

Why the fuck do you guys trust Speccy? I don't understand this meme.

>If I get a 1070ti, would my 4690K severely bottleneck it
Wtf? You'll bottleneck a 1060 in some games with that stutterfest, yet you're contemplating a 1070Ti.
Even a 4790k would bottleneck it a bit in some games.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/cRyW4q
>Is there anything wrong with this build?
Yeah; It's not pcpartpicker.com/user/oshirigami/saved/22sd6h

Uhhh your 1600 shouldn't be bottlenecking your 1060 6GB. Overclock it.

Yeah I haven't overclocked it yet, forgot about that. Is stock cooler fine?

Ryzen 7 2700X
Consistently gets 60 to 70 fps on Warhammer 2 on Ultra with a 1070, so you should be able to get the same out of your 1060 on High with it.
Also consider upgrading to 3200 or 3466 mhz RAM.
The 2700X is compatible with your current motherboard and comes with a better cooler.

Stock cooler is fine up to 3.7-3.8Ghz but don't expect it to be silent.
You could instead of investing in a new CPU get a 40 dollar air cooler and some faster RAM.

>Why the fuck do you guys trust Speccy? I don't understand this meme.
its not that I trust it, it's just what I had at the time. I downloaded CPUID HWMonitor just now and it shows my CPU at 46 celsius idle which seems more trustworthy.
why would speccy even have a temp monitor if it wasn't remotely reliable?

Got an issue with my R9 390 yall. It's constantly running at 1.1 volts and idles at 61°C, only 10 degrees off full load. This is at stock settings. I think there's something wrong with it, cause before I had to RMA it because certain ports didn't work, and I had overclocked it before handing it over so maybe my settings fucked it up permanently. Am I overreacting or is there something up with it that I should try to fix?

Use Hardware Info (or as it lists HWiNFO64). Look for the Tdie.

>mfw speccy would make the light on my front case blink with lots of noise every second as long as the program would run

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To 3.8 or 3.9GHz you should be fine, do it from the BIOS/UEFI and check temperatures with HWiNFO64 during Prime95

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Need some advice on a new case anons. Old case was a tT chaser a21, case was good but it's falling apart and I ran out of space. Had this pc for 4 years now:
CPU: i5-4690K
CPUC: Asetek 510LC
RAM: 8 GB x2 DDR3
GPU: GTX 970 (Notice how I fell for the meme)
MOBO: ASRock Z97 Extreme 3
PSU: 650 Watt
SSD: Kingston V300 SSD
HDD: 1TB HDD WD BLUE
HDD2: 2TB HDD WD GREEN
Oh and I have a disk reader as well.
Posted my specs for the compatibility of a brand new case, Just looking for something under $100. Airflow and space is the main thing i'm looking for.

CoolerMaster MasterBox 5.

Actually looks good but i'm looking for something compatible with a bluray disk drive, forgot to mention my bad.

hwinfo and others are more reliable since it'll have the tctl and tdie, yes... Though a bit harder to read. There is also RYZEN MASTER.
Speccy is fucking retarded. I don't understand what spaghetti ass shit code the creator of that wrote to have the crazy bugs it has time and time again.

Did you change anything since it started doing this? Even something that seems benign? Like add an additional 4k monitor?

Uhh your specs don't affect case much other than:
ATX board
2 HDDs
1 SSD
So you just need to find an ATX case with 2 3.5" drive bays (unless you feel like replacing them with a single 4TB 2.5" HDD), and a 2.5" mount for the SSD.

Also you fell for not just the 3.5gb meme but also the 4c/4t meme, but that's okay. Acceptable for Haswell, but not Skylake and later.

Can you really not just use an external one?
idk.
There are some cases like the FT-03 which have a more cleverly placed optical drive bay that doesn't waste a lot of space, but that's mATX.

Is this alright?

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Hmmm I suppose... I just don't want to leave it out since I watch old movies on there desu but an external drive doesn't seem like a bad idea.

R9 390 guy here, recently upgraded the rig but I'm sure it's been doing this beforehand as well. My pc always toasted my room at idle, I'm guessing this was the cause. Other than that nothin

Have you tried a clean install of drivers?
The option is in the AMD driver installer.

3.9GHz BASE clock on 16 cores.
I'm erect.

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That's exactly why I recommended the MasterBox 5 senpai. There's a verion with a single 5.25 inch mount slot, and even if you buy the version without it you can order a kit from CoolerMaster to add it.
It's neato.

Man, I fucking hate ATX cases.

y tho

I'll take it then, fell in love since it has SSD mounting options and has a nice panel as well, thanks fren.

wtf guys?
I tried to OC my Ryzen, I don't remember with what voltage at this point , and it went over 100c on stress test.
Then I went as low as 1.234v and temps still reached 90c just after 3 minutes of stress testing. Then I reverted everything back to stock settings and temps still reached 90c on stress test

When I look at them I just want to vomit.
They're such an inefficient use of space, and ugly.

No one actually uses that many PCI slots on a platform with less than 30 fucking PCI lanes.
They're usually 70% empty space where there's no HDDs in the slots, no drives, nothing in the PCI slots. Only thing you can reasonably fill it up with is a large reservoir, but then you still have the empty PCI slots.

99%+ of people with ATX motherboards should be using mATX or mITX instead.

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You fucked up something, most likely the cooler installation.

idk. Is that the temp in ryzen master? Have you rebooted?
Reapply thermal paste.

My thoughts exactly, my Threadripper build is my first full size ATX build in a while and there's still space left.
mITX is my favourite gimmick right now but the 1950X is for work duty so I need some more expansion capability.

Reset your CMOS, reapply thermal paste, test again. Use HWinfo or HWmonitor and test with Prime95 (not Aida).
If you went over 1.45v on air, you dun goofed friendo.
These are the dangers of overclocking. It's why AMD released the X versions and it's why they're now making everything piss easy for people on Ryzen 2000.

I defiantly didn't go over 1.45
I really don't want to relive the cooler installation again...

I bought an ATX case recently. I wanted to buy an mATX case, but there were no X470 mATX motherboards at the time. I bought the smallest ATX case I could find (that was still good) and the only thing I miss about my old yuge case is more room for 3.5'' hard disks

>I really don't want to relive the cooler installation again...
I've had my Prolimatech Megahalems for my i7-920 since it released in 2009. I've replaced the thermal paste once about 5 years ago and I'm sure it could use it again. RIP me.

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Holy fuck user it's called aircooling and storage space.
I've got two hard drives and two expansion cards, those being my GPU and my wifi card, which I wouldn't have room for in that case.
Having your non-blower style graphics card literally right up against the floor of your case does not exactly do wonders for its thermals, and its thermals govern its boost clocks which directly affects your performance.
Your motherboard needs cooling too, which is why I have 3 120 mm fans in the front of my case blowing in. And my 212 Turbo blows its hot air out the top of my case. I also don't have my massive power supply anywhere near my cpu cooler and it pulls air from the outside without blowing it in, which is again great for my thermals. This is important because I have an overclocked setup.

I genuinely never thought I'd meet someone this clueless on Jow Forums of all boards.

JUST DO IT YOU FAGGOT.
Don't worry the first time is the hardest.

I have 2 1TB SSDs and zero 3.5" drives. 3.5" drives are for poors.

Don't see the point in dropping upwards of 400 eurodollars to replace my 2 2TB Western Digital drives friendo, especially when I can fit them in my case just fine and I can still fit my entire ultrawide battlestation ontop of my desk, with plenty of room to spare to eat dinner on with sufficient distance from my keyboard.
How about you use the money you supposedly have on a bigger appartment and better furniture instead of severely overpriced NAND.
Besides, the only software I really need to be fast already fits on my NVMeme m.2 boot drive.

You can get a 4TB 2.5" HDD for $100.
I'm not sure why they even make 3.5" drives anymore except for high capacity NAS.

Yeah I reinstalled drivers but no change. If it helps the only software I used to overclock was Afterburner

2.5 inch laptop hard drives aren't as fast or reliable.
And what if I want to run some RAID?
Try again.
Or, you know, just buy a proper office desk instead of the flimsy shit they sell at IKEA.

are you sure afterburner isn't restoring overclock on boot?

Yeah I uninstalled it a bit back. I reinstalled to check if that was the case but all those settings were off

Just got my 2700x yesterday. Frame times/minimums are way better. This thing is a beast. On Linux.

Probably going to get 32GB of RAM next paycheck. I'm sure 16GB is "enough", but I plan to do a TON of VM/video stuff, so I need it.

Good for you, user.

Don't know, I'm at a loss.
Too high of an overclock or something isn't going to make your temps permanently bad, unless you caked your thermal paste I guess?
The lasting effects of too high of an overclock(overvolt) is artifact and instability, not heat...

Is the Cryorig H7 THE budget cooler to have for performance per dollar? Is the 212 EVO ded?

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Same thought I had. I think something happened when I RMAd and the voltage setting from my oc got stuck. It'll be fine, I'll probably upgrade in August and I think it'll last that long. Thanks mang

pcpartpicker.com/list/rwdH29

Thoughts anons? I got the 1060 a while back when prices were low, looking to upgrade the rest of my build. I'm on a budget of $500. Mostly for gaymin

try a flashing to latest bios. I had an issue where my Mobo would only post if I had 1 4gb stick in (wouldn't work with the other), I got a 1x8 because of that at it wouldn't post unless I set the 1x8 frequency with the 4gb stick in, saved, and inserted the 1x8. Every issue I've had went away with the latest bios.

for your budget it looks fine, I would personally save up to get a Ryzen 2600 or i5 8400 but if $500 is a very hard cap to your budget then it's fine

AMD fanboys

Try to lower the voltage a little bit and see if prime95 is stable. I'd do it from the BIOS, I couldn't get Ryzen Master to hold the overclock properly on restarts

What's the cheapest cooler that's better than an intel stock cooler by a margin that makes it worth buying?

I'd get this
pcpartpicker.com/list/wgtC6s
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854037&cm_re=enthoo_pro_m-_-11-854-037-_-Product

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Id run a 1080ti in 1440p with an 8400 and not think twice about it.

hyper 212 evo i think

If you're near a Microcenter check for 2600+x470 bundles, they should start at $330, it would be $40 over budget with this microcenter.com/product/5001847/AMD_Ryzen_5_2600_with_Wraith_Stealth_Cooler,_ASUS_Prime_X470-Pro_CPU-Motherboard_Bundle

looking for a cheap but good 144hz monitor. something that costs 200€ or similar

doesn't get better than Asus VG248QE