>professor says "Linux" in a class, referring to the OS and not the kernal
>have to fight my immediate instinct to raise my hand and recite that copypasta
Jow Forums has ruined me
Professor says "Linux" in a class, referring to the OS and not the kernal
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this was actually engineered to weed out the ideological nuts from the people who actually just want to interface with computers
gj fighting it, you've proven yourself
The GNU/Linux meme is forced and you should stop taking it seriously. Linux is just fine.
>raising your hand
what are you, 12?
>caring about correct terminology makes you a "ideological nut"
incorrectly referring to an OS by the name of its kernel was engineered to weed out the people who actually care about technical issues from the people who only promote "branding" aka corporate marketing propaganda
if you're referring to the kernel then sure it's fine, but if you use it to refer to the whole OS then you sound just as clueless as my grandma who refers to her whole computer as "the facebook"
Uhh no its not
Linux in and of itself is a joke OP, relax man. We all ironically shill it but at the end of the day it's just a VM we fire up for like 5 minutes a day to post our super riced out desktops. That's it.
What are you some brute who just shouts during a lecture?
gj fighting it you would have looked like a total lunatic
>u r clueless
I've done enough research to know about GNU, FSF, and RMS' view on the naming.
Saying GNU/Linux every time to refer to Linux is clunky and annoying. The "proper" way to refer to Windows and Mac are "Microsoft Windows" and "MacOS" or some crap, but hardly any autists here even do that.
What I am saying is go fuck yourself because no one cares about your autistic obsession.
yes winfag keep believing it
ACKTCHUALLY
The correct way to refer to ``Windows'' is ASUS/Intel x86/Intel ME/UEFI/Secure Boot/BOOTMGR/NT/Windows
And the various attributions change based on the environment it runs on top of--after all Windows has drivers designed to interface with almost all components underneath it.
Nice meme. Upvoted.
what's the point in being autistic enough to interject with copypasta if you're not also going to interrupt the professor
>using one or two extra syllables is clunky and annoying
i used to think like you until i realized that calling everything "linux" just makes things more difficult for everyone involved in the conversation, because it's intentionally misleading and inevitably results in someone having to backpedal and explain what they actually meant
take android for example, any discussion of it leads to someone saying ridiculous stuff like "android is linux but it's not actually linux because it doesn't include GNU and the userland is based on google's proprietary stuff and blah blah blah," it's all just a load of crap
The fact you know the interjection is admirable, but mistaken.
It could be amusing and humorous in a certain context, but good on you not to do it in class.
Or more simply NSA/Windows
Quick, without looking it up write it to the best of your autistic abilities
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation. Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ. One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you? (An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it. You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument. Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD? If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:
I know right? Pacman, xorg, broken drivers ftw amirite?
Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag. Thanks for listening.
If I don't need to clarify what I am referring to, then I'll just say Linux. Everyone here (even the RMS-tards) knows what I'm talking about when I say Linux.
Don't get me wrong, what you say is a fair point. Still, if I don't need to go into the deep lore for people to know what I am talking about, then Linux will suffice.
>dat photo
i am literally waiting for the result of his actions :3
>but if you use it to refer to the whole OS then you sound just as clueless as my grandma who refers to her whole computer as "the facebook"
Thankfully this idiocy doesn't extend outside of Jow Forums. In the real world, people call it Linux and no one has any issue understanding that they're actually referring to an OS, nor do they have any autistic meltdowns.
I did this too.
Profe replied with 'No, Richard, this is Linux...' paste
Fucking autism lmao
You have a kernel, Linux, and Linux distributions bringing some other stuff from other projects, including but not limited to GNU.
You can use the GNU libc, or another one (musl), your shell might be the GNU one (bash) or another one (I use ksh), your editor may be from GNU, or another one (vim), your desktop environment might be from GNU (GNOME) or not (KDE), and so on.
I don't call it vim/ksh/KDE/Linux, I just call it LInux.
Systemd/Linux
why didn't you faggot?
Just because stallman is an autist faggot that should be shot by a firing squad, doesn't mean gnu itself is a meme.
Fug man, my dad says Google as his all encompassing computer word. I never really know what he is taking about. The strangest part is he seems really confident that he is a computer whizz or something.
*installs Linux with no GNU components whatsoever*
later virgeets
no we don't, there are very few instances where referring to the OS as just linux isn't misleading or confusing
you know what, you guys changed my mind, using correct terminology is actually just autism, spelling things correctly and using correct grammar is also autism, frm now on i tlak like dis!!! lololo :^)^) pls halp 2 intsall itunes onmy xbox???
>spelling things correctly and using correct grammar is also autism
Have you ever heard of figures of speech? In particular metonymy?
how is sucking bill gates cock?
You literally have autism
Damn it, memorize it word-for-word and interject when it happens again. Then come tell us how it went.
My professor said "Unix". As in, "most servers run on Unix."
>go in for interview
>tell us what you know about Unix
>start talking about how paging and address translation works
>this is how the page fault handler is implemented
>here's how scheduling works
>sorry user, we just wanted to know if you knew how to pipe. We'll call you back if we're interested.
Wine/Linux
Linux has been my main and only OS for a year now
yes i have and those things have no place in technical communication
no i dont u do silly :)^)^:^)^:^)
Please stop using contractions while posting, it is improper English and very unprofessional. And where are your periods, also known as full stops, sir?
>yes i have and those things have no place in technical communication
Nobody is talking about technical communication. And even then, why should it be GNU/Linux instead of some other thing, given that distributions may choose to keep or take away GNU software.
THIS CANNOT BE
You need to get out more.
Linux is not a badge of merit. Never was.
>mfw someone calls an automobile a car
Although the developers of Linux, the kernel, are contributing to the free software community, many of them do not care about freedom. People who think the whole system is Linux tend to get confused and assign to those developers a role in the history of our community which they did not actually play. Then they give inordinate weight to those developers' views.
Calling the system GNU/Linux recognizes the role that our idealism played in building our community, and helps the public recognize the practical importance of these ideals.
*nut-nut*
What we say is that you ought to give the system's principal developer a share of the credit. The principal developer is the GNU Project, and the system is basically GNU.
If you feel even more strongly about giving credit where it is due, you might feel that some secondary contributors also deserve credit in the system's name. If so, far be it from us to argue against it. If you feel that X11 deserves credit in the system's name, and you want to call the system GNU/X11/Linux, please do. If you feel that Perl simply cries out for mention, and you want to write GNU/Linux/Perl, go ahead.
Since a long name such as GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv becomes absurd, at some point you will have to set a threshold and omit the names of the many other secondary contributions. There is no one obvious right place to set the threshold, so wherever you set it, we won't argue against it.
Different threshold levels would lead to different choices of name for the system. But one name that cannot result from concerns of fairness and giving credit, not for any possible threshold level, is “Linux”. It can't be fair to give all the credit to one secondary contribution (Linux) while omitting the principal contribution (GNU).
kernel*
how about linux/gnu? linux starts first
Nah, I don't think so. There are recreations of GNU software, like busybox. You can run linux without a single piece of GNU software and it would be hard to tell the difference. There's no reason that GNU would be more important than the X server or systemd.
Every one of those things can be replaced, and it would still be linux, except for the kernel itself, so it is perfectly correct to call it just linux.
You did good, OP. It's okay to be a cringy neckbeard on the internet, but out there you should really avoid making a fool out of yourself with ideological bullshit. Rather talk about cool features, or the absence of malicious features if you want people listening to you.
It only takes a second to say or type “GNU/”. If you appreciate the system that we developed, can't you take one second to recognize our work?
Linux is a kernel.
the linux foundation told me to take these shortcuts because it's easier than saying GNU/period or GNU/do not
>Nobody is talking about technical communication
i'm sorry, is this a technology board or are we just here to talk about the latest overpriced shit they're trying to sell on tv
I resent annoying people who try to speech police me and will use the terminology they don't like out of pure spite. I had no strong feelings towards that whole naming issue until I came to Jow Forums. Now I keep catching me having thoughts of strangling rms and burning the whole fucking FSF to the ground.
It is right and proper to mention the principal contribution first. The GNU contribution to the system is not only bigger than Linux and prior to Linux, we actually started the whole activity.
In addition, “GNU/Linux” fits the fact that Linux is the lowest level of the system and GNU fills technically higher levels.
However, if you prefer to call the system “Linux/GNU”, that is a lot better than what people usually do, which is to omit GNU entirely and make it seem that the whole system is Linux.
I kinda grew to hate Stallman. Go to any interview with him and he will sidetrack at least half of the questions by turning them into tirade about semantics
Only listen to him when he talks about proprietary software. Replace anything else he says with an "abloo bloo bloo".
>kernal
Commodore, is that you?
karnal
Noice
The "correct terminology" is Linux. It's always been Linux, and I daresay it always will be. Richard Footcheese having an autistic meltdown about it didn't change this. You look like you're dangerously close to having a tism attack of your own. Might be time to just take a few steps back from the memes.
um, not everyone is as retarded as you sweetie. stop projecting.
makes me kek about how eternally btfo'd the GPLv2 is with the whole netfilter lawsuits.
GPLv2 is deprecated. anyone still using it is a retard.
>a proprietary software promoter, talking about how software freedom should work
The correct terminology for the thing Linus Torvalds developed is Linux. However, the combination of the GNU operating system with Linux is GNU plus Linux, of short: GNU/Linux.
>GNU software, like busybox
Lol this is not GNU software, but standard UNIX utilities (that already existed in BSD).
GNU did not really invent anything, they rewrote Unix tools with their own cancerous licence, adding many stupid incompatible, non-standard extensions using the well-known "embrace, extend, extinguish" philosophy also used by Microsoft.
Unix was proprietary and crippled. Unix-is-so-cool hipsters need to fuck off.
Yeah, maybe if we all repeat this for another twenty five years or so it might actually catch on.
Catch on where, in mainstream journalism? Who cares?
>Who cares?
The guy I was responding to, apparently.