So im still unemployed a year after finishing CS because i didnt do a good enough job of it...

so im still unemployed a year after finishing CS because i didnt do a good enough job of it. is it worth looking into getting something like an A+ cert to actually get my foot in the door with something technical? anyone been in the same situation here?

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Just start a startup.

easier said than done

>CS
ruined with lisp sectants

>get cs degree
>cant get a job with just cs degree
>get a+ cert
>now cant get job because over qualified
wew lad, welcome to 2018.

>not having personal projects
>not being able to show you can build marketable products
that's why I don't hire any of you faggots

>b-b-but I'm a mobile developer
Show me an app you did 100% by yourself
>b-b-but we were working in team

>b-b-but I'm a web developer
Do you have a personal website?
>b-b-but I can't afford hosting

we end up poaching the same guys over and over again because you faggots can't code anything.

ive got a shitty castlevania rip off with shitty art, hows that?

>b-b-but I can't afford hosting
does anyone actually use this as an excuse? most hosts are like $5 a month now.

Can anyone explain what happens inside the {}?

I have a website hire me.
Is use FTP to upload files to it and everything.

Pretty good desu, I've turned down people with polished projects because I honestly picture them following those projects rather then wasting time at my workplace.

Just do an internship like everybody else does.

none to be had

i should mention, its made using an engine with a python based scripting language, and its not exactly anything fancy gameplay wise. like, what meets the standards of a good portfolio project for you?

Its a fork bomb, calls the same file over and over again.

If it's pet project hosting use AWS (free for first year) or heroku

The colon makes it more confusing. It's the following.
fcn() { fcn | fcn&}; fcn

Yeah, I can see that. I was wondering more about the & and the |.

you're fucked, if you were too lazy to get decent experience at this point you won't accomplish shit by getting a certificate.

Become a plumber or something. Not kidding.

even chasing non-programming stuff like IT support and administration?

how about just git gud, if you suck why would anybody want you lol star jobs are for star players not lazy complaining bitches that never did anything by themselves

i aint chasing the fancy jobs my man, anything will do. i just never really saw a project i actually wanted to contribute to that i felt qualified to, and whenever you join a new project theres a fuckton of hoops youve gotta jump through just to get it to build half the time.

How the fuck? I got a liberal arts degree and took a year and a half off to join the peace corps (do not reccomend). I still managed to make enough CRUD apps to get interviews and eventually get hired as a dev.

I can't tell you how much harder it was for me thanks to having an essentially worthless degree, but if you get half the call-back I did you should get work in no-time. Literally just do it.

>setup github/heroku
>make simple fucking crud
>buy interview prep book
>spend equal time studying and improving your portfolio
Bingo, you're doing it. Entry level shit I got didn't even ask me tough questions. I had a fizz buzz question and a few other mildly challenging prompts that were related to my portfolio and why I used X for Y. All I had to do was mount a reasonable defense of my thought process and prove I wasn't just a mung who never actually wrote any code of his own.

Literally how is this even remotely challenging for someone with a CS degree?

Just learn Cobol and start raking in the money.

I don't get this. All the time all I can hear is how there is not enough CS and engineering and coding people to fill all the jobs. Main reason we need visa and importing Patel to work in your place. Yes, I know thats not the reason but anyways how come there are more jobs than workers but you still can't find work?? Are you just a giant failure?

He's probably a white cis heterosexual male and therefore undesirable.

anymore things besides crud apps to work on? I'm also a recent liberal arts grad and I want to get a cs job. did you do any open source stuff? I've looked for open source but like op I find myself very underqualified for almost all of them

what kind of shit did you make?

ive got like a couple of finished things i can point to where i can say ive done an ok job of them, but most of my projects that ive got are either half-done or so small that theres no point even including them (dumb meme scripts and the like).

Easiest way to contribute to open source is to sign up for the development mailing list of a project you like, and watching it for a while until you see some low-hanging fruit.

The | pipes the input from one command to the next. The & pushes the job to the background

No. You don't have to make anything more complex than crud. Just demonstrate you're aware of the basics that is the entry level standard. Don't over-think and listen to the sperglords who tell you that intimate knowledge of graph theory and a functional machine learning project that breaks new ground is the only way to get hired, these are either retarded neet trolls or devs who don't want competitors because they suck at their job.

There are thousands upon thousands of examples. Go pick any ten and don't stop until you're dine implementing them and make sure the code looks nice with decent comments. Understand everything you did and have an explanation. It doesn't have to be a mathematical proof of why you version is perfect, but you should be able to say "I did X to implement Y because Z."

Waste of time. I tried waiting for a foot-in-door moment with various OSS projects and it would have ended up costing me months of time had I been so passive. If you're not up to parfor open source in most cases you need to do your own crud first and build experience that way. No excuses.

Dunno how you did this. I have never hired anyone in the last five years without a CS degree who didn't have a decade or more of experience to overcome that. I certainly wouldn't hire a glorified grammar school teacher who made baby's first portfolio. We're always hiring but nobody is that desperate in my neck of the woods.

oh you're SPECIALLY fucked if you want those jobs because a fucking baboon that fell out of a tree has a better chance at them than an overqualified CS grad

>learn reverse engineering
>start a blog about reverse engineering
>enjoy your 4000 €/month salary

>There are thousands upon thousands of examples.
of fucking what? what precisely is the standard for a portfolio project here? ive got a small game, ive got a BDI agent in prolog from my uni project, and some shitty little scripts like random image generators that ive made for shits and giggles.

really?

i used ultimap to grab a magic spawn function in a video game, is that good enough?

You sound too fucking lazy to grok anything tbqfh.

nigga ive no idea what the standard is here and im not the guy doing the hiring

Shuk and jive boy.

but i still have no idea the scale of the project i aught to be putting forward. the shit ive made so far i made because it interested me, but the game isnt even done and it looks like ass. also the cameras slightly broken because i had to make it myself and i havent done math in nearly a decade.

IDK which game, so I can't answer your question directly.

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>Download binaries here:
>securedorg.github.io/flareon4/

If you can solve this, you should be good enough.

If not:
>The Legend of R4ndom
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>PC Assembly Book
pacman128.github.io/pcasm/

>Reverse Engineering for Beginners
beginners.re/

>Practical Malware Analysis
>(buy a used one for 17$ if you want a real book or just google for a pdf. You find a .pdf pretty easy.)
amazon.de/Practical-Malware-Analysis-Hands-Dissecting/dp/1593272901

This is good shit user

Not the faggot OP but thanks, this stuff looks great. Thanks m8

I am half-way on my degree got interest in Reverse enginnering specific on iOS and Mac. only success with manuplating OSX drivers (hackintosh).
can you give me more light on this topic
thanks

>100% by yourself
Define please, can we use IDEs and libraries or is that count?

>just be a rich genius

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I know C++, Javascript and bit of Java. I have github, but there are mostly short programs, there is no large project there. What should i learn to get good paying job as quick as possible?

Dude I could do that in one week tops.
I thought you were using some fancy bullshit like OpenGL.

Ace interviews and bullshit through them
That's what i did :^)

no experience using game engines before, id been fucking about making various shit. so far this games been a platformer, a hack and slash sidescroller, and now its a casltevania ripoff. it also doesnt help when youre getting weird unspecified behaviour out of things that seem to be at first simple object that have simple behaviours, and you find out that actually the camera is being moved by the fucking physics engine and weeks of coming back to it and leaving it again out of frustration thinking your math was wrong was all wasted time.

did you have some fancy CV?

Wow. I don't have experience with Mac reverse engineering.

But I bookmarked this some time ago:

iOS:
>iOS 11.1.2 Open Source Jailbreak
Github:
github.com/Coalfire-Research/iOS-11.1.2-15B202-Jailbreak

Write-Up:
github.com/Coalfire-Research/iOS-11.1.2-15B202-Jailbreak/blob/master/iOS_jailbreak_writeup.pdf


For MacOS I found this book:
stackoverflow.com/questions/12744128/any-book-talks-about-apple-darwin-internal

Maybe a BSD book + Wikipedia would do it too to get a solid base of knowledge to start.
But as I already mentioned. I never looked at MacOS internals before.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS + ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/book.pdf

Parts of the MacOS source code can be found here. You mostly won't need it, but sometimes it's useful:
opensource.apple.com/release/macos-10133.html

Yes

In C? No. C++ std is fine for general programming

>learn a real man's language like C (don't be the cuckold wimp who learns python and enjoys bullies fucking his mom and shit)
>read petzold a.k.a. learn winapi
>learn malware
>program malware
>start selling it to children
>program some ransomware while at it because why the fuck not and it's popular these days
>ransomware the shit of the planet and become the sheriff of ransomware
>make lots of money
>buy economy pack cocaine
>buy the world's most expensive whiskey
>buy a fucking golden rolex while at it ur a winner now
>think about your life
>evaluate your life choices
>dream about if dolphins have vaginas or not
>everything will be okay op just believe in yourself

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wuh bout Qt?

This. Get an interview book and lie hard on the resume. Works a lot better than trying to be legit. I spent 3 years on my portfolio and studying CS from books before I figured out I legit had to bullshit to get attention and had to memorize shit from the interview books to overcome the inane interview crap.

On the plus side, once you get in and have a job for a while your interviews are far less stressful. I literally had no interview questions my third job, just chatted me up to see if I was a good fit.

Can you go into more detail on the lying bit? What exactly were you lying about? Was it straight lies or just embellishments? Were you lying about basic qualifications that you later had to learn for real and such – was that hard?

Embellish basically. You have experience with something but they want competency or extended use of it. You can't bullshit something you never used or heard of at all. Interview prep basically gets you through the CS fundamentals tests where embellishment gets you in the door where they have unrealistic expectations. Nobody I met at my first job had actually been 100% qualified for the positons they got. Entry level asking for 2 years experience with half a dozen things that even most students wouldn't have been exposed to. It was dumb.

> Learn Javascript
> Write plugin that shows nothing but ads and mines crypto in background
> Buy domain
> Put plugin on domain
> Host ads saying "GET [INSERT GAME HERE] NOW NO VIRUS (download of the scammernet plugin is required)"
> Trick kids on moms netbook to download plugin
>???
>Profit

one man projects usually finish so fast

the problem is only that one guy knows everything

>dream about if dolphins have vaginas or not
They absolutely do, and both male and female dolphins enjoy sex with humans.

You really fucked up by not getting an internship. Do you at least have any personal projects? You're probably better off writing a shitty app and publishing it than getting a cert.

Oh, also: If (when) someone asks what you were doing after graduation, say you were traveling.

I'm 25 and about to graduate community college with a computer programming degree. Have two crud applications on my github, a c++ CLI game, some searching algorithm visualizations I made in java, a song I made use muh algos in jmusic/java, and another not crud but database driven VB PC partpicker type thing.
Also have network cert from testout, a+, Microsoft office specialist master, networking fundamentals, network security, windows server os, windows desktop os certs all from ms.
I've also obsessed over learning about computers from child so just know a ton of shit in general.
Any hope at making a living wage without doing hard labor? Willing to move literally anywhere in the us

Helpdesk

Bull, he can go for junior engineering / recent grad positions ez

Yeah probably

Helpdesk

if you have a github profile with working applications that weren't just copied from a tutorial, you can get a real programming job at a real company

see earlier in the thread. ive got a shitty game, a BDI agent in prolog, and some random shite ive made in python over the years for fun. and yeah, i know, that was a big fucking mistake on my part.

not him but it's fucking hard to get internships too. I'd been applying to places and not getting shit. I would look at their Linkedins to see who got the positions and half the time it's goddamn people with Master's in CS and whatnot. If I don't get one this next year or two I'm fucked, what can I do to not be screwed?

Nah not really. Just pick a fad in technology such as blockchain or ML and use it in some way to make a product

Didn't get work this summer, graduating next year. Any one got suggestions for a summer project? Also requesting that programming project roll image if anyone's got it.

i made the best motherfucking website ever version2, and businesses don't take me seriously

By perseverance, faggot. Something you don't know.