God why eurocucks always changing their privacy laws, I wonder

god why eurocucks always changing their privacy laws, I wonder

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EU and its member countries are run mostly by old people who have no fucking clue about anything technology so the new rules are really just catching up with modern technology

Seeking privacy sounds like the opposite of being a cuck to me.
Enjoy having zero privacy americucks.

Versus the US which is run by giant tech, oil, tobacco and arms companies and their lobbyists.

The old part is true for any government. However EU laws are often more favorable to the customer compared to US laws.

Compare deleting your account from soundcloud to others.

>telling corporations they can't do whatever they want customer protection supersedes them
>cucks
Hmm

Thanks to the new las, I now can tell those social media companies to not use my data for reselling or personal Advertisements. And I can sue them, and win, If they decide to do it anyways. Sounds good to me.

These rules are just overreach though.
Now you have to employ a data control officer and have employees spend inordinate amounts of time deleting data (not allowed to be automated) if someone from the EU so much as does an ICMP ping of your IP address.

fuck yeah, sounds better to me

Considering the shit has happened and keeps happening and most likely would happen again, it's not an overreach at all.

It's amazing how short the memory of the average americuck is.

Except it is and will be used as a weapon-
Consider the following, a US company that does no business in Europe, at all, has their website accessed by an EU citizen.
Now, the US company has to spend time (and therefore money, employees aren't free) to delete the EU citizens data if they request it.
Consider further - A European company has a US competitor, suddenly the US company has hundreds of thousands of visits (not DDOS levels) from EU citizens.
Now the US company is spending time and money on shit they didn't need to, giving the EU company a competitive advantage by weaponising their overreach laws.

>fuck yeah, sounds better to me
The NSA does too, I suppose.

Where do I get this job

All you had to do was being responsible with sensitive data. Now we got this.

You reap what you sow.

Top kekd

then stop collecting data

>Not allowed to keep ip logs
>have to allow DDOS now, it's the law.

But the EU companies have to comply as well

There is only one thing we need to define privacy and thats the market, if users demand privacy the market will listen, not some beauacratic shitpile that is big government.

How can everyone be so fucking retarded in thinking that Europe gives a shit about users' privacy?
Its a literal way of competing by cutting down foreign companies' (mostly US) revenue in Europe.
Its literally as if Congress voted for Net Neutrality trying to fuck over ISPs
>inb4 that's a good thing
More legislation is never a good thing, Keynesian economics has been proven wrong, go read a fucking book

Fuck the EU for cockblocking US profits.

DCOs can be anyone who has completed the cert, you can still be part of the normal workforce in the company

Literally this, t. Eurofag
pic related for proof inb4 false flagging shill corporate cocksucker whatever

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>we updated our privacy for gdpr
>some obscure site you've never registered in

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>no fucking clue about anything technology

Because no netneutrality is the best thing ever

>>some obscure site you've never registered in
They can have collected personal data about you regardless of whether you've registered or not, that's how Google and Facebook does it with their shadow profiles.

>tfw the botnet does not allow me to access the OP image
I feel cucked :^(

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REEEEEEEE
Stupid government overreach trying to make things safer for people.

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> muh red tape

>be American
>have 0 rights
>get sold by a company

That's a good thing.

This.

they are old men that have been schooled on actual schools and not shooting grounds

(((schools)))

You forgot that the arms lobbyist is run by the Kremlin.

Funny, youtube manage to block some videos to some countries. I wonder what black magic they use that other companies couldn't use.
It's as if people have Internet Protocol addresses that could be used to geolocalise them.

DDoS from Yurop? That's uncommon.
Also block yuropean IPs if you can't be arsed to not collect them. There are snake-oil selling companies that popped up recently do that. (Yes, the new EU legislation created jobs in Murica.)

>not allowed to be automated
Sounds like BS, can I have sauce?

>i wonder
because unlike the u.s.a, we value our privacy (uk excluded, since they're not really part of yurop)

>trusting companies that want your data with automating said data deletion
top murrikan

pay your fucking debts

It always suprises me how dumb the average Jow Forumstard. Everytime I think you guys can't get any more retarded you show me that I'm wrong.

Why do you think we all hate the EU?

Do you love your federal government?

I'm amazed at how much anger people are directing towards a law that they clearly haven't actually read.

>amerisharts arguing in favour of companies being able to permanently store your personal info because of 'muh profits'

What about that guy

t. absolute retard
european companies have to follow gdpr too

>t. absolute retard
>european companies have to follow gdpr too
European companies being restricted is better for European companies than European companies not existing

and any companies giving users better treatment is better for customers
this isn't rocket science user

>a lot of companies use private data
>new law is passed
>only the bigger companies can now survive since the smaller ones' loss of revenue fucks them up
>you get a monopoly
>years pass, lobbying intensifies
>you now have an oligarchy with no competition where these monopolies dictate the game
Regulation never never never never works

>smaller ones' loss of revenue fucks them up
why are they losing revenue again?
this law is not hard to comply with, it's pretty basic shit

>go read a fucking book
Ignore opinions of retards who say this glorified sweety posting bullshit.

oh you mean how google and facebook are literal monopolies because of no regulation? yeah that's going great

Youd be amazed
Your entire personal info catalog on Facebook is worth 7 cents or something every time it was sold in 2015, if I recall correctly from Schneier's data
there's not much you can make if youre a smaller company, and there's almost nothing you can make if you cant sell private data
>Is that a bad thing?
Actually no, because in a perfect world thatd just mean that investors would stop shilling shit online and most of the ad revenue clickbait sites would die and youd return to an earlier version of the web of generally hobbyists
But this wont happen, because as I said a bunch of.companies are already VERY big and have used the selling private data shit for years to get there, and they can remain there through various means now

>only the bigger companies can now survive since the smaller ones' loss of revenue fucks them up
It's predominantly very large companies that are pulling the kind of shit that led to the GDPR in the first place. Why do you think it will disproportionately affect smaller companies?

>just the big ones
No
edition.cnn.com/2018/03/26/opinions/data-company-spying-opinion-schneier/

show me on gdpr where it says you can't sell personal data
idk why i bother arguing with literal retards that say "read a book" but then argue about a law they haven't even read over

I didn't say "just", I said "predominantly". All of the companies mentioned in that article are pretty damn large.

Ok give me an hour to read it over and ill get back to you
I was just going by previous threads

>amerifat ripping on something he has no fucking clue about
why am i not surprised

Im not even american, faggot

Europoors have decent internet laws, unlike amerifats

Got through some of it, so far 1 very good point
Article 17 states that data has to be erased if the applicant wishes it to be so
In other words, it now forces ALL companies to link your id to your activity in order to be able to delete that when you wish

>inb4 muh that's not what it says
gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/
Read it carefully

>In other words, it now forces ALL companies to link your id to your activity in order to be able to delete that when you wish
except that's not what that means
it means they have to erase your personal data if you ask them to and they don't have a reason not to (like tax laws that require them to keep it for longer)
how is that a bad thing? i don't want companies using my personal data without my consent, for unlawful purposes

Does either of you know what happens if the data some "site" collects is sold to another company owned by the same site?

>another company owned by the same site
what does this even mean
companies aren't owned by sites

if you mean separate companies part of the same group (i.e. facebook and whatsapp) the same legal requirements apply as if they weren't part of the same group, there's no distinction

Because your "tech" companies keep fucking up and selling data, but you'd not know since you willingly would give up all your data like the giant cuck you are

I work for a global staffing company and GDPR is the bane of my existence.

Fucking god damn euro cucks making a law that literally does not work in practice. No one dealing with EU personal data will ever be fully compliant.

scummy

I can guarantee you I know more about GDPR in theory and in practice than anyone on this board. It does not work in practice. The idea that there is a 'controller' and a 'processor' does not work in the real world with how companies transfer data.

I've worked on contracts with some of our biggest clients over the past year: PayPal, Western Union, Experian, Microsoft, etc. Everyone is flipping shit and signing Model Clauses when there is no guarantee they will hold up in court when it comes to international transfers.

i can guarantee you don't
a bunch of big companies are already gdpr compliant, if yours isn't that's because you're doing something wrong

Any company that states they are GDPR compliant is lying. I've been on the phone with many of these "big companies" you speak of, and they are freaking out. At this point, most companies have convinced themselves that having enough steps 'towards' compliance (i.e. documentation to throw at regulators/auditors when they come knocking) is good enough for May 25th. May 25th has repeatedly been referenced as a starting point, and not a finish line, for GDPR compliance.

There are still major precedents that have to be set with regards to the regulation, and I would bet that many of it will go back on itself.

Here's a high level example: GDPR states that that in order to process data, you need a legal basis for doing so. This means that the default processing is essentially, no processing. Now that elements such as IP address, cookies, and other online identifiers are considered personal data, that is almost impossible to meet. Think about organizations that have standard monitoring/logging enabled which includes IP addresses. You're going to say "just block EU IP addresses" - well this doesn't work in practice. You have EU citizens located outside of the EU, you have VPNs, spoofing, etc.

Don't even get me started on the contractual requirements that exist now and the 3rd party management that's required.

>GDPR states that that in order to process data, you need a legal basis for doing so
false

>3rd party management that's required
it's pretty straightforward stuff, i don't see the big deal

Unlike america, Europe does not cling to an old-ass piece of paper to determine the way we do things.
Corporations keep finding new ways to fuck people over, so it's a constant game of cat and mouse to keep them in check.
US seems to have given up and have given into their corporate overlords. I kind of feel sorry you.

You're plainly wrong, and thus, not worth my time. I've spent the last 6 months working with people who do this for a living, and are highly educated and trained on legal precedents and privacy. I'm also studying for my IAPP certifications. Additionally, I have read the full text of GDPR numerous times and know it like the back of my hand. I'm not trying to prove my superiority to you because I don't care about that, just stating the fact that you are wrong and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

if you'd read the full text you'd know that art. 6 IS the "legal basis" for personal data collecting and processing
it's not that you need a legal basis, it's that the use has to be lawful
keep making shit up tho

GDPR is stupid. I'm still going to snoop and collect whatever data I want on any IP European or not; and sell it to the highest bidder. Try and stop me euro cucks

this is true desu, i am german and even our female führer said "internet is for us newland"

t. literal NEET
what website do you run? myhentaiporn . com?

>implying corporations abide by the law
Hmmmm

>HEH, YOU USED THE WRONG WORD WHEN REFERENCING THE TEXT THAT I GOOGLED 5 MINUTES AGO, YOU'RE WRONG AND I KNOW WAY MORE THAN YOU!!!

Keeping memeing retard

it's almost as if words have actual meaning in the legal world, and using the wrong one can completely change the meaning of a sentence
the fact is that GDPR is a great fucking law and anyone that doesn't see it is objectively a cuck
now go kys faggot

>GDPR states that that in order to process data, you need a legal basis for doing so. This means that the default processing is essentially, no processing.
No it doesn't. It says that providing service is grounds for storing personal data.

don't you dare call out the biggest GDPR expert on this board (even though he clearly has no fucking idea what he's talking about)
he works in a very important company and talks to other important people on a regular basis
he knows more than you

>be a neet sysadmin
>boss comes and is very nervous
>"user, we have tens of thousands of questionaries we still need but it contains some personal information we're no longer allowed to have thanks to gdpr"
>"all of them are scanned into pdfs"
>"we're having everyone we can to print them, censor it manually and scan again"
>is he fucking serious?
>convince him it's absolutely retarded to do that and offer to do it alone my way
>everything that needs to be erased is on the same spot on every document
>fire up muh gnu/linux machine
>run all of the files trough ocr and remove all what's needed to be removed by bash script
>get a one paycheck bonus because I've saved the company potentionaly thousands of dollars on all of the people doing it by hand

The law is retarded but at least I can buy a new chinkpad to watch chinesse cartoons on.

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>neet sysadmin
Are you just throwing around phrases to sound like you belong?

>and there's almost nothing you can make if you cant sell private data
how about selling the actual fucking product that the company makes?

truncate table CustomerData;
commit;

WOW

The solution is to block all data-gathering sites from the USA, imo. Facebook, Google etc block all the data mining Israelis which run the US.

Hello hi.
>Examples of data not considered personal data
>anonymised data.
reminder.

This is getting my file erased from several temp agencies, hush.

Maybe he just meant "net"?

>GDPR
At my job we will be getting our salary receipts in snailmail envelopes and not via PDF anymore because the email isn't handled up to spec or whatever

They do if they don't want the EU to go in without lubing up first.

It's a necessary step. This will be painful for a short while, yes I am annoyed by it as well. but in 2 years or so there will be no problems anymore.
If people get over no net neutrality, they will get over this as well.

>envelopes cannot be just stolen and opened
And these are being delivered to you in titanium lock boxes that open only after you pass a combination of optometric scan, voice recognition and DNA strand test?
That's bureaucratic idiocy at its finest. Mail service is not safer than E-mail by no means, but hey, spec from corporate didn't say anything about mail, so its okay, right?

This whole GDPR thing is a meme, and Euros who fall for
>muh gubmint is protecting muh pwahvacy,
are dumber than a sack of shit.
The only things GDPR is effectively accomplishing is:
>putting more bureaucratic strain on middle class small businesses.
>Effectively monopolizing data collection by the government

In other words, enjoy your over regulated Orwellian nightmare.
BTW. Actual culprits, pajeets and chinks will still collect your data, because they shit at EU laws.

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>>Effectively monopolizing data collection by the government
...and how is limiting the people who can try to spy on you a bad thing? Also, protip: spying done by businesses in the US actually surpasses what the NSA can accomplish, which is why the NSA (and police departments) started partnering with businesses and collecting data that way as well.

>>putting more bureaucratic strain on middle class small businesses.
You could argue that the entire tech industry has already accomplished this.
20 years ago, a business could simply be a business.
Nowadays, every business needs computers, databases, websites, etc. to even be competitive.
Even big name companies sometimes can't keep up with how fast technology is progressing.
The German company Siemens used to produce phones, but dropped out of the phone market when smartphones became popular.
This is just another step forward, and if you can't keep up, you don't deserve to make it.
>>Effectively monopolizing data collection by the government
This is wrong on so many levels.
For once, companies can still collect data. It's just the data needs to be used for some reasonable cause. E.g. "we store your email address in case you want to reset your password", but not "we store your local IP address that was leaked through WebRTC in case we want to stalk you and create a fingerprinting profile of you".
The government already only collects the data it needs, e.g. for taxes, insurances, passport issuing, etc.
The information it doesn't need but still collects, e.g. to find terrorists, that data comes from companies in the first place.
If a company doesn't store information, it can't give it to the government

ITT: jealous americucks

In terms of Internet privacy the list goes:
EU > power gap > USA > Germany > United Kingdom

Germany is part of the EU

Turkey, pls.