Is CS a meme or will I be a make it?
2 years into mechanical engineering and I realized it’s a dead field
Want to go into CS though because I love programming and the problem solving aspects.
My only hesitation about switching is all my work experience is in manufacturing, how hard it it to start a nice CS job from a good tech school?
kys
How do you figure ME is a dead field?
every field is a dead field if you don't have family or friends giving you a job
t. 6 years unemployed mech eng. and before you ask i stopped trying years ago.
I'm thinking of switching into CS from a design major as well.
How fucked am I?
I switched from physics to CS, and I regret it. I've been unemployed for 2 years now, as has most of my class. CS is a dead field as well.
Just go in and ask to speak to who is responsible for the hiring and let them know you're keen user. Don't leave until they take a copy of your resume. Call them back to follow up every couple of days. Industry likes autonomous self starting go getters.
CS is a dead field.
What? Holy shit are you all retarded? How is CS even remotely close to being a dead field. I had job offers a whole year before even graduating ("hey we'd love for you to come aboard let us know when you graduate"). A ton of my friends in MechE and AeroE also had the same situation.
Are you all retarded or what?
What school did you go to? Out of 55 people in my class 4 have jobs
Some SUNY public school, nothing special.
>What school did you go to? Out of 55 people in my class 4 have jobs
What school did you go to?
Have you applied to jobs
U of Windsor, I'm a Leaf
Since graduating, I've sent ~600 resumes, only got 3 interviews
>tfw you got a degree in electrical engineering and now work as a php developer
depends on how good you look in programming socks
lmfao. he cute.
>cucks thinking a degree ensures a job
You build connections while getting the degree, either through your professors/colleagues or your internships.
Going to college/uni isn't just for a degree/education. If you people didn't realize this, you deserve being unemployed with your stinking degrees.
T. Boomer
Isnt CS in Canada dominated by chink immigrants since it's so easy to come from china and find work? Maybe you should try burgerland
how is this even possible desu? crazy
Yeah, I think once my lease is up I'm gonna move to the states.
Easy. Canada sucks, bro
you shouldve job shadowed or done internships in 7th grade and first job on your career track in highschool. at this point you need to decide do you want to work at a restaurant or IT janitor?
That's pretty depressing, I would kill myself.
t. php developer starting to study electronics
>waahh wahhh take my generic shitty cv I sent through some jobs index on the internet and hire me
>going personally? writing a presentation letter? haha what are you a BOOMER?
>waah I'm entitled because I have some shitty degree in which I only studied to pass
Literally kill yourself fucking gen z scum, you don't deserve the job.
t. boomer that can get any job he wants
When was the last time you tried gramps?
>Graduate as robotics engineer, specialising in PCB design
>Get job
>Now just validate software releases, all my work is done in Linux
Could be worse I guess.
I'm thinking of switching from CS to EE. A lot of CS stuff is just trivial.
>Yeah, I think once my lease is up I'm gonna move to the states.
pfff hahaha... unless you are a citizen good luck
I'm always curious about what kind of places people like you are looking to get hired because DoD companies are literally always in need of new engineers and while not the easiest to get hired by they're certainly entry-level.
If you need the degree to get interviews, you're already too retarded to function in the field anyways you might as well quit. Literally everybody who is successful in software will tell you a CS undergrad degree is useless beyond getting past hr at retarded big companies. Your personal projects and skills beyond "used Java for my oop class" are what get you hired.
>Anonymous 06/13/18(Wed)21:42:24 No.663
I've tried that before. The interview part is easy, but getting the clearance is the hard part. I come from a poor, run down city so my reference list isn't impressive, so that disqualifies me.
How do all the foreigners and immigrants do it then? CNN is always talking about success stories.
They're brown, doofus
I call BS on that. I've built tons of projects. Every time I'm in a interview, they brush past that and ask what I've been paid for.
>Mechanical engineering
Brainlet located.
Stony Brook reporting in
I like the work. my friends have been trying to convince me to apply to the engineering firms they're at because I would get hired easily, but I like web development. plus I can wear whatever I want to work and the pay is decent. my brother, also an engineer, wants me to move to the bay (he lives there) and get a job there because he says those companies are all looking for people with my skills (I also have a B.S. in applied math).
grass is always greener I suppose.
Is that an alien?
Getting a job in software is pretty easy. Here's what worked for me:
- learn JavaScript, Java, or C#. You will be ununemployable.
- get any job you can that involves what you want to do. Stick with it for a year, then start hitting up recruiters. Temp agencies can help get an entry level job.
- create a GitHub account and push whatever you can. Do a tutorial, change it up, push that shit. Don't contribute to open source unless you're desperate.
- move to the west coast. The demand here is ridiculous. It's also expensive if you want a good life, so plan carefully.
- immerse yourself in your chosen niche.
- don't do anything that doesn't make money. Never work for someone else for free unless it's a labor of love.
- clean up your appearance offline and online. HR and hiring managers will check social media.
- smoke weed everyday
t. $130k, SoCal
Start your own business. It's the only way forward once you've been out of the job market thst long. I got a major leg injury shortly after I graduated and couldn't work for at least a year. Employers didn't seem to care and tossed my resume. Eventually I had enough of being a charity case and got a consultancy going. It was a bitch and a half getting my first few clients but well worth the struggle.
$130,000 in SoCal is equivalent to $50,000 in the midwest.
Just do your damn internships, it's legitimately that easy.
>getting the clearance is the hard part
>my reference list isn't impressive, so that disqualifies me.
Fucking excuses. The references aren't there to be impressive. They're there to confirm your history, speak to your character - basically to be a witness during your background investigation. They don't care about your references (unless they're foreign), they care about whether or not you have integrity or are a threat to national security. Seriously, have you even looked at an SF86?
>smoke weed everyday
Yeah not if you want to get into defense.
Got an internship for a DoD contractor, had a good GPA ~3.8, no previous CS experience, during phone interview was the most outgoing person I could be. Got the job, was offered full time hire as a sophomore while going to get my 4 year, offered to pay for my masters and if I wanted PHD. Stop being a little faggot.
SF86? I'm guessing you're american. In Canada the requirements are ridiculously specific.
>$130,000 in SoCal is equivalent to $50,000 in the midwest.
Not really. I max out my retirement accounts, which means $60,500 a year, only $18,000 is pretax (+$9,000 company match which is also pretax). So subtract the $9k match and you're at $51.5, $33,500 is after tax. Which is more than you could ever do on $50,000 in the midwest lol
Lol, how many years ago was this?
Yup lol
>doesn't live in a metro area
There's no way you go 6 years unemployed unless you're a fuckup. Go work for a mining or oil company. They're almost always hiring.
Learn to tell good stories, companies HR love truth bending and lies.
I've learned that nobody cares about the truth, just the story and the way its told.
(You're dealing with women annon)
Would the nature of your projects on GitHub matter significantly? Everything I've put up on there is unrelated to stuff I've done at work and really it just consists of a few projects where I took some old games and reverse engineered them then made some utilities around them, I've always held off mentioning it on my resume since I figured it would do more harm than good when applying to your typical corporate software shop even if the RE stuff is frankly more interesting to me than the programming I've done for pay
Where did you find this image of my wife
>muh connections
just kys, boomers, this is all your fault anyways
>Always loved gamedev so I sticked with C++ (learned basics when 16yo).
>23 they called me through linkedin - they were looking for someone to do C++
>30 now, 4 jobs later, senior dev don’t even have to work that much.
C++ was a good choice.
>thinking he'll be able to retire
i wish this was me.
im 27 going on 28 and never got into C++. :(
t. sysadmin
Does it matter that much ? It shows you’re doing things
I don't usually mention reverse engineering on my resume (but I do list related skills like ASM/C/...). I do mention it in person though (depending on the situation though, i mentioned it to an IP/copyright heavy guy once and regretted it).
Yeah but you have no flexibility. When you lose your job your rent suddenly starts draining your savings, and when your next job doesn't pay as much you're fucked. I make $100k in a LCOL area paying under $600/mo for a p big apartment. The California rat race holds no appeal for me whatsoever.
Lmao no. Got a job offer after 1st semester. Just participate in student projects you mong
Dropped out of college two years ago when I realized it was just a $15,000/year babysitting service. Got hired after 2 months of cranking out projects on github + freelance. Stop whining and make something worthwhile. If you can't do that then why should anyone hire you?
Where the fuck do you guys live? In Central Europe CS graduates are so desperately needed, they will hire almost anybody. Just don't write your CV with comic sans or come to the interview wearing programming socks and you will probably be fine.
I wish he/she posted more pics
>CNN
Found your problem.
>inb4 FOX
CNN/FOX are the same tier: garbage.
You are literally me. Though I am thinking about starting to learn a bit more in-depth programming (thinking of Python) if only to make better scripts and shit to make sysadmin job easier.
>php
would off myself if I had to look at that shit
>python
>in-depth programming
okay
>U of Windsor
idk but this might have something to do with it
I'm so sorrry to hear that
Why would a woman want to take estrogen pills???
Czechfa here, the demand is insane. It take s a year or two of learning the basics, but after that you'll get a job no problem. Here's what you need to know. I'm a Java webapp developer, so it's skewed that way:
>Learn computer architecture, it's the absolute basics for anything IT-related, unless you want some shitty monkey job and never advance. You need it to actually understand computers. Nand2Tetris served me the best.
>Then, learn your language of choice. I looked at the job ads and just went for the most demanded/best paid one. Google the interview questions for it and see if you can answer them. If you kinda get them right, you're all set.
>Do a training project to actyallu practice your language. Something like pong or stupid CRUD data managment app is enough. It can even be an interview test app they gave you somewhere. Don't overcomlicate it, or you'll drown in the complexity, get frustrated, and won't learn much.
>Read up on unit tests and why are they necessary. The good companies won't even call you back if you don't include them in your test app.
>Learn git. At least what's a repo, commit, push, pull, branch, and merge. You'll most probably use it.
>Learn shortcuts for your IDE and OS, don't be a fucking user and make an idiot of yourself once in front of your colleagues like I did.
>Learn the ecosystem associated with deploying/building/managing etc. the apps that are made in your language, stuff like DBs or application servers are for enterprise Java. They're not magic boxes that just work. In the real world, this shit breaks all the time, and people who can fix it are extremely valuable.
You're just a fucking retard then
Do you have an absolutely God awful poorly formatted resume? Do you have multiple felonies? Do you even HAVE a degree? Therres a million jobs for every kind of engineering (aside from maybe chemical) in the US, you would have had to try exactly 0 times to not get one in that amount of time
Hey same here, went to SUNY Poly, the only people that don't have a job in their field are people that didn't want one there anyways. Tons of jobs around here even locally for ME, CE, EE and CS
I got my bachelor's in computer engineering and I just said fuck it to working in the field and got a software engineering job, coworkers are great, jobs fucking everywhere, doing front end and backend work is fun, and the pay is better than EE or CE jobs lol
>every field is a dead field if it doens't step up to AI and big data
ftfy
Jesus why even bother going to college then. You'd be better off just sitting at home cranking out personal projects and doing edX courses.
Everyone I know, who studied CS, got a job right away. I lived in Germany though, don't know the US job market.
BS, the degree is what matters, also your scores. MsC in CS with good grades is an almost 100% guarantee of a decent job.
just stop
this isnt the 1980s anymore
I want to put my dick in this dude
I don't think it's dead. I did an undergrad in Math and Physics (Joint Degree) and done a master in CS with a focus on AI embedded with math. I then did a PhD in CS with a focus on Math. Currently, i work in a research team at my uni and have many job offers from industry which is CS focused. University isn't a meme if you do about two internships and do a degree that is in demand - you can check the government labor office in your country for what skills will have job growth, demand over the years, and pay - from what i have checked, CS still seems to be largely in demand and is expected to keep growing in demand as AI starts to become an industry focus.
Stony Brook also reporting in
>It's not an issue! Just do 8 years worth of college and be 200k+ in debt!!
Retard
Only Chads and rednecks get hired OP. Might as well kill yourself now.
I... I'd fug that
ayy lmao
you aight white boi
Competition for internships is crazy, at least in Canada.
No CS experience? I think we're talking decades user
From what I've seen Canada seems to be the worst.
I guess you're right, I had to go to U of Windsor because I couldn't afford to not live at home. Seems all that debt wasn't worth it.
That seems to be the requirements now
shitposting aside, even bad uni can be worth it if you've had a good time. I hope you did my dude.
Shame about the debnts tho. Not too much I hope? yuropoor so I have no idea how much UoW would cost.
This. Web is a bloated fat cash cow waiting to be tapped by anyone with a >90IQ. Pay scale is retarded for what you need to know, which isn't much. 2 months is pushing it but I know dozens of fellow web developers who self-taught in under a year. Just don't get drawn in by the insufferable programmer faggots who demand you know the full spread of CS theory before you write a single line of code. They persist in their shitposting only to keep competitors away from the job market.