Is there any alternative, on CPUs, to Intel and AMD?
The constant warring can lead me to the conclusion that both make bad products. I am looking into upgrading my computer and I don't know what to buy.
Is there any alternative, on CPUs, to Intel and AMD?
Adam Reyes
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Sebastian Carter
Just buy an iPhone, Stacey.
Jeremiah Rogers
How about you fuck off.
Now, AMD seems, at first, better value for price (my current processor is an fx-6300, in fact). But I think that it might be just an illusion. Sometimes it struggles too much to get things done.
Intel, on the other hand, seems to be a guaranteed backdoor.
Alexander Scott
Yeah, ARM. Gonna have to run arch tho.
You wanted something x86?
Austin James
x86 is pozzed. Consider OpenPOWER.
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Austin Reyes
For ARM I don't know of a particularly good desktop option unless you'd be happy with a SBC. There do exist some nice-looking rackmount servers though.
pogolinux.com
system76.com
using processors like these:
cavium.com
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Austin Martinez
Your only real alternative for x86 is going to be VIA chips, which are barely better than ARM SBCs. But they run x86 software natively, so it's kinda worth it for that. You can get a Mini-ITX board and a quad core 2GHz CPU. They aren't backdoored with an IME or PSP either. These things are really made for embedded and industrial purposes, not for home use, but they can be used right on your desk if you want. They're expensive but worth it for some.
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Sebastian Campbell
As far as x86, there's only VIA.
Otherwise, you can always go with ARM or SPARC
Jordan Turner
Ya know what? fuck it i'm gonna dump my massive autistic list from back when there were hardware removal of botnet threads (/hrt/)
(1/4)
This is a list of hardware that is relatively botnet-free.
The Intel ME and other components are a serious threat to user privacy.
>"But what's the Intel ME, user?"
I'm glad you asked! The Intel ME, or Management Engine, is a secondary co-processor in every single Intel chip in the last decade.
It runs a MINIX-based operating system and has full networking capabilities, drivers, and a goddamn web server in it.
networkworld.com
This page offers additional information, and explains that it can read your files and applications, act as a keylogger, capture the screen, inject rootkits, etc.
libreboot.org
Very nasty stuff, and no, the HAP bit thing isn't a full fix
firmwaresecurity.com
>"HAHA INTEL BTFO! SCREW YOU GOYS I GOT RYZEN!!"
AMD has its own botnet, called the PSP, or Platform Securiy Processor.
Here's what it is:
libreboot.org
Here's Libreboot asking for it to be opened up in Ryzen:
libreboot.org
Here's Plebbit asking for it:
reddit.com
Here's Edward motherfucking Snowden asking for it:
mobile.twitter.com
And here's AMD telling everyone to go fuck themselves:
yro.slashdot.org
>"b-but how can I avoid this? Im scared, user!"
That's the point of this thread. To highlight options that are out there that are relatively free of botnets.
This will include the typical Librebooted memepads and whatnot, but a big part of this is also exploring alternative architectures.
Alexander Brown
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For inclusion into this list, if the processor is made by Intel Corporation or Advanced Micro Devices, the device must be 100% free as in Libreboot.
Otherwise, a less-extreme stance is taken, and something like Coreboot or U-boot will suffice.
Findings so far
x86 (Supported Distros: Basically all):
For desktops, there's lots of C2Ds and atoms listed, but also some very nice opterons and apparently an iMac
libreboot.org
libreboot.org
For Laptops, you have the CD and C2D memepads
libreboot.org
Purism doesn't do libreboot, but their roadmap includes this as a future goal.
puri.sm
The last AMD chip that came without the PSP is Piledriver.
VIA also makes x86 processors. Proprietary BIOS, but maybe Coreboot potential?
ARM (Supported Distros: Most)
Obviously there's a shit ton of SBCs
One of these is EOMA68, which features 3D-printable housings, and potential RYF cert.
crowdsupply.com
iMX6 Rex is an education-based SBC that combines elements of a Pi and an Arduino. It uses U-Boot.
imx6rex.com
For a laptop option with an open firmware, try ARM Chromebooks.
I'm dead serious. From what I can tell you can remove the write protection, reflash coreboot with different payload (Not seaBIOS or Depthcharge), and install loonix of choice.
coreboot.org
docs.google.com
Cavium makes some god-tier processors. Be on the lookout for that.
cavium.com
Helios4 is an open-hardware NAS with U-boot
shop.kobol.io
Tyler Martinez
>Yeah, ARM. Gonna have to run arch tho.
Newfag question here , what do you mean when you say you need to run Arch on a ARM based system?
John Reed
>How about you fuck off
Top damage control.
Jason Cox
>Is there any alternative, on CPUs, to Intel and AMD?
Sure, but they suck.
>The constant warring can lead me to the conclusion that both make bad products.
Competition makes bad products? Is this what Social Darwinism looks like?
Elijah Hernandez
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In general, your biggest concern with ARM is the GPU drivers.
Mali is fucked. PowerVR too. Vivante GC and Qualcomm Ardreno are fine. Broadcom VideoCore is partial.
en.wikipedia.org
MALI MIGHT BE GETTING OPENED UP PRAISE LINUX TORVALDS TECH TIPS
lwn.net
Some anons have reported that lighter environments like XFCE are usable on stuff like Mali without the driver, but it's not ideal.
One user said he couldn't remove the ChromeOS on his libreboot C201. This github issue talks about a solution.
github.com
OpenPOWER (Supported Distros: Fedora, Debian, CentOS/RHEL, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, BSDs):
Raptor Engineering sells POWER9 workstations, that may soon be getting RYF certification.
They're expensive as fuck, but probably the most powerful non-botnet computers that exist. Comparable to Xeons/Epyc.
raptorcs.com
PowerPC (Supported Distros: Gentoo, Free/Open/NetBSD)
The company that still makes this is NXP
nxp.com
Here is a project for a Libre PowerPC laptop using NXP, shooting for RYF certification.
powerpc-notebook.org
EmbeddedPlanet has several PowerPC SBCs, most using NXP.
embeddedplanet.com
If you have old PowerPC Apple products, they use OpenFirmware, which is here
code.coreboot.org
Recommended models if you want to buy one: late PowerBook G4, PowerMac G5
Gavin Gray
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MIPS (Supported Distros: Debian, Gentoo, NetBSD):
The /csg/ of desktops: Lemote is a chink company that sells libre MIPS boards, using PMON firmware.
lemote.com
EmbeddedPlanet also has MIPS boards with processors from Cavium with U-boot firmware.
embeddedplanet.com
GnuBee has two low power NAS devices. They're cheap, they use MIPS, and they're going for RYF!
crowdsupply.com
crowdsupply.com
SPARC (Supported Distros: *BSD, Gentoo, Illumos):
Legit server stuff here. Open ISA and Open Boot firmware.
code.coreboot.org
Below link is a big list of options, from ancient 80s shit, to modern servers released this year with 5.0GHz and 32 cores
And of course, everything in between
en.wikipedia.org
RISC-V (Supported Distros: FreeBSD):
Only SBCs here. SiFive has some.
sifive.com
There's also LowRISC
lowrisc.org
For Routers, check out LibreCMC and its supported list.
librecmc.org
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Hudson Smith
Stop shilling this already
Blake Carter
I liked it, user.
See if you can trim it down a bit so it's more easily digested. People will be more likely to read if it's only 1-2 posts, and formatted well.
Hunter Phillips
There's no winblows for arm
Carson Flores
>my current processor is an fx-6300
Keep it, even if it's underpowered, it's one of the CPUs not plagued with as much backdoors and vulnerabilities.
>still on my 8320
Andrew Nelson
kinda hard to do that and keep all the options and explanations in there. desu I haven't touched this list in a while and don't really have the motivation now to bother with it. If someone wants to try and compress it somehow, go for it
Jackson Thomas
There are plenty of other cpu vendors. How much work are you willing to put in, how much performance are you willing to sacrifice, and can you stomach not having standard expansion ports?
VIA bought a few companies and ended up essentially being a combo of winchip cyrix and their old self. They sell very low power, shit performance, x86 CPUs. Usually they're all in one. Dunno if they do x86 64.
Many companies make arm CPUs, and a few still make mips ones. Once in a while you can find one as a laptop or workstation, but usually you have to buy a really overpriced dev board to get such luxuries as video out, pci slots and SATA connections.
Sparc is still made by the bastards who bought sun Microsystems, but are heavily discouraged by then by unreasonable pricing.
Power CPUs are still made by ibm. Again, see Uber high pricing.
Basically, stop bitching and support your favorite intel or and shills, that's all we're going to get.
Connor Wilson
the fx 6300 was slow when it came out. i had one and sold it quickly. heavily overclocked it was noticeable slower than my i5 4440 haslel.
Angel Reyes
If you had jobs that did little floating point, but we're highly threaded, it was great bang for the buck.
But for everything else yeah, it sucked.
Sebastian Cook
>The constant warring can lead me to the conclusion that both make bad products. I am looking into upgrading my computer and I don't know what to buy.
pull the fucking dragon dildo out of your ass cavity and look at reviews before you buy. each product from both companies is a mixed bag, and reading others' experience is the best way to figure your own paranoid shit out.
Kevin Watson
> Is there any alternative, on CPUs, to Intel and AMD?
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