Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses - e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs >R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional) >R5 2400G - Consider IF on sale >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-8700K - Best for 1080p gaming, but most expensive when factoring in delid, high-end cooler, etc. >R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
Motherboards >Only Z300 series Intel boards can utilize fast memory
RAM >8GB - Enough for most gaming use >16GB - Standard for heavy use >32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this much >Current CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal
Graphics cards >GPU prices have gone down 1080p >RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options >1050Ti or RX560 for lower settings 1080p, or older games >GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match 1440p >Vega 56 or Vega 64 /w Freesync, 1070Ti if you already have Gsync >GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match 2160p(4K) >Titan V
Storage >Consider StoreMi >Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
Monitors >Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards >Lock to 72fps on 144hz non-Gsync monitors to prevent tearing on more demanding games >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Last year, AMD launched their much hyped Zen architecture CPUs under the "Ryzen" name to replace the old FX CPUs. And Ryzen just kicked Intel's ass. Ryzen scared Intel so much last year that they pulled in the release of both Coffee Lake, and Skylake X by 6 months, and even then it was a close battle.
AMD has also been getting really snarky both in the news and on social media. Recently Intel launched the 8086K CPU, a highly binned 8700K, to celebrate 40 years of x86 CPUs. Intel even held a contest where they gave away 8086 of them. Well, AMD is offering 40 of those winners a chance to trade that Intel CPU prize to AMD and AMD will replace it with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X, a 16 core, 32 thread monster. AMD said Intel had done well with x86 but also said "We're ready to take it from here".
Think about that. Because of Ryzen. AMD is actually in a position to talk smack about Intel and be taken seriously.
Robert Morales
How much did you get paid to say all that?
Jaxson Bell
I'd highly highly recommend you get a SFX PSU with an ATX to SFX adapter, which will also allowed you to get a taller and better performing cooler.
>200 more to spend on a Ti Huh they cost that much more in Canada? Weird. Well EVGA makes fairly short 1070s with the SC2 and such. I think that fits but you'd have to check the length vs the max supported GPU length on the case spec.
For Ryzen, StoreMi which you can use with Optane. Optane without StoreMi is bad. Otherwise, get a regular SSD and transfer stuff over.
But you can use a Ryzen board now with 7nm in the future.
450w is fine for his build. Just... better quality is important for the tight space and PSU fan being above the CPU etc.
>literally novideo hmmmm
Intel is not allowed anime mascots.
If you truly want something to last 6+ years, I'd wait for 7nm. 2600X will probably last like the 2500k or 2600k did. So 4 years if you're a heavy user, though 7 years later some frugal people still think it's fine. Weak point is still memory latency, even though it's much better than previous gen and fast memory and BCLK increase does a lot for it. But 3700X will probably last more like the i7-3960x or i7-4960k.
Good news at least is that AM4 is supported until 2020, so while someone with a 2500k couldn't upgrade to a 3960x or 4960k, with a 2600X you could upgrade to the 3700X or 4700X. That was my plan with getting a 1600X.
>why does motherboard have video out For APUs like the 2200g or 2400G.
That sucks. I remember seeing like a 18 core opteron or some shit for $25 a year back.
1070ti tends to be much better price/performance. Overclocked, it's usually around only 5% behind a 1080 overclocked. And iirc the memory uses less power, doesn't it?
Angel Lee
980ti $350 1070ti $450
is the 1070ti really worth $100 more? the 980ti is also watercooled
Ryan Walker
I do it for free.
Eli Miller
AMD doesn't have the money to pay shills when they had to engineer Vega with 1/3 of the engineering team actually needed to hit the goals.
Jackson Russell
I dropped an old Intel CPU(i5-4460) like 3 feet off the ground onto a hardwood floor. Would I be safe to assume it still works, without testing?
Aiden Cruz
That explains why vega turned out to be shit lol
Levi Thompson
>For APUs like the 2200g or 2400G. Yeah I got that part, but why does the MSI b350 Tomahawk (as an example) offer AMD graphics drivers for summit ridge CPUs? Is it just a simple mistake?
Noah Diaz
It's not the driver's that are the problem, it's the BIOS. Also, there are a couple of fairly obscure and low-end parts thst were basically Bulldozer APUs that are AM4 compatible which would explain the existance of the video out way before the 2400g and the 2200g were released.
It's pretty good. Just a year too late and needs better power management.
980ti is between 1070 and 1060. lol. Though the 980ti could overclock really well and maybe be better price:performance then. Overclocking on Pascal is pretty shit.
Jose Collins
>1070ti tends to be much better price/performance. Overclocked, it's usually around only 5% behind a 1080 overclocked. And iirc the memory uses less power, doesn't it? The main reason I want a 1080 is the 1440p performance, I'm only wanting 60fps stable so would a 1070ti do that overclocked?
Joshua Carter
I have revised my Mini-itx portable PC build: CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-L9i 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler Motherboard: MSI - B360I GAMING PRO AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard Memory: Kingston - HyperX Fury 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Mini ITX OC Video Card Case: Cooler Master - Elite 110 Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze semi-mod Total: $1192.23 This is at the upper limit of what I can spend on the machine. I am an undergraduate student, required to use lots of heavy simulation software for fluid dynamics. The GPU is overpowered so that I can also play video games at 1080p 144hz. In the last thread I was advised that the PSU wasn't strong enough, and that the single-fan card may overheat.
>Silverstone SG13 I did consider the case, but one of the reviews suggested that the thin metal was susceptible to bending - this is a concern for me as I'd be transporting the machine at least 3 times a week from desk to desk. Perhaps this wasn't a concern, but it steered me away and I'm not too fond of the waffle-y look on the front - is the full sized GPU worth it do you think?
Carson Parker
Idk, all i can say is im running a gtx 970 and a 4790k with a slight overclock on stock cooling and temps hover around 30-40c idle and 80c full power
David Harris
I have to say now that I don't have any experience with either case, I'm just basing it on my own research for an ITX build I'm planning
Biggest benefit of a full size GPU is the extra cooling, a mini GPU only has 1 fan usually. I've heard mixed advice about whether its an issue, but it has to be remembered that you're building in a pretty confined box so temperature issues are going to be more apparent.
Ayden White
What's the sound like? And is there any thermal throttling you've noticed?
Joseph Lopez
I found the 144hz monitor I got to feel much nicer to use. I could notice that it was smoother even when just moving the cursor (and especially windows) around, and I was able to use it for much longer comfortably, in terms of eye strain. I'd take the higher Hz over higher rez if you use the computer for a long time in a sitting. Your games will look much smoother if you're able to run them. I didn't think I'd much notice the difference, but I certainly did. Even looking back at it after looking at a smartphone screen, I can tell that the 144hz is smoother. Hope this helps, I don't have too much experience with 4k as anything but a television.
Elijah Stewart
it gives more expandability options for short cards, you're usually paying a slight premium for the size
Liam Rogers
Yeah cheers mate, I think for an HTPC it'd be a better option than the cooler master. I don't intend on using the computer for very long in any single sitting, unfortunately I don't have the time to game at length and correct me if I'm wrong but that'd be the main concern. I've also heard mixed things but I think with the extra case fan I have, things should be okay. I'll post temps and benchmarks when I build it in any case. I think the situation could be calmed by taking the case shell off if temps are too high. At that point the computer's just going to be on the floor in my room and I don't have much of a problem with that. I might be wrong about this as I'm guessing here, but I assumed the first thing that'd be 'inadequate' as the build ages is the ram, so I've left a slot free. I think if it reaches a point where I need a new graphics card I'll be moving it t a new case but keeping the rest of the components. Is there any expandability I haven't considered?
Aaron Cruz
that's it, mostly not much distinction between these shoebox cases other than card size and how easy they are to work with
William Adams
Cheers mate, thanks again
Bentley Brown
How big of a jump would the 1060 be from a 660. Or should I save up for a 1070. Is there a big jump from 1060 to 1070?
Logan Sanchez
>single channel memory stutters. I also dont' really see what you changed.
idk I don't like under 75fps. It's your own preference. Problem is you aren't going to be able to play many games at 60fps maxed even. You'll have to drop settings down or upscale.
1060 is more powerful than the Titan of that time. It's similar to a GTX 980. >jump from 1060 to 1070 You're surely on a 1080p 60hz monitor, so even considering more than a 1060 is pointless. But no, price:performance of the 1070 is much worse.
Isaac Powell
>gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel/Page-3 In your defense, I didn't know this until today. not worth shuddering about. I'm leaving room for an upgrade to 16GB down the line. I fixed the SSD that was overpriced on all popular Canadian resellers. I didn't change the PSU as I've seen plenty of builds nearly identical with it. 270W is th pcpartpicker estimate, 450 should be more than enough. I didn't change the GPU because it should be fine.
Jack Murphy
Anime is for soft homosexuals.
Brayden Wood
And hentai is for hard homosexuals. Your point, captain?
Just bought a new 1060 6GB for $230 on sale. Was this a good buy?
Oliver Watson
Planning on buying a NZXT s340 case and an EVGA 600B psu. Anyone know if there's enough space to stuff the extra cables in for cable management, don't really care for aesthetics.
Isaac Davis
where the fuck is the 1080 what kind of tomshardware single article posting shill wrote this?
Eli Lee
Ok I'll probably end up waiting. I'm only asking because newegg has this card in stock right now for $230. I hope prices keep dropping, but I'm afraid when 1160 drops and no one can get one, 1060 will go up again.
Yeah unfortunately Canada is arbitrarily shafted on some things. The SFX PSUs seem to be in that category as well as they're much more expensive than the PSU I have in there. I don't have much more to spend on a larger cooler anyway, so as an upgrade that costs more so that I can upgrade another part with one that costs more, it doesn't make sense to me at the moment. The other "mini" 1070s are all too large one dimension or another, unfortunately, but this particular model happens to have reviewed well from what I have read.
James Barnes
That's actually not a bad deal from off the top of my head, but make sure to check out the 'price history' on PCPartpicker for yourself so you can make all the right calls
Nathan Kelly
yeah mate
Isaiah Barnes
You lucked out lad. It's 100% sold out.
William Ross
Would a r3 2200g cpu bottleneck higher end gpus?
Julian Carter
>newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824022558 Nvidia doesn't support Freesync. You should be getting Vega 56 or waiting for Navi. Sales come up on RX580s as well. There was a 4GB one for $210 like 2 days ago. But you'd want more than 4GB for 1440p unless you're just going to play 1080p upscaled to 1440p.
if you have a 1080p 60hz monitor or gsync, ya probably. Hopefully it's not a terrible model of one.
1070ti invalidates the 1080. 10% more money for 5% more performance isn't worth it.
Liam Peterson
Noob question. When you overclock a cpu or gpu does it run at that frequency all the time or it just goes to that frequency depending on the demands?
runs at that frequency all the time. If you only want it to boost to those clocks when needed, don't overclock at all and leave it alone.
Isaac Cox
It's almost time. Next year definitely. Keep an eye on AMD when they launch Zen 2.
Jaxon Russell
Does overclocking void the warranty? Do I need to voerclock if all I'm doing is playing games?
Joshua Peterson
for CPU, it is possible to lock the clocks. For GPU, being able to switch between a "high" state and a "low" state is a requirememt.
Julian Harris
Well my computer feels slow now. Would getting an SSD help in the meantime?
Nathaniel Reed
I'd suggest going for a fully modular psu if you dont go sff. With my elite 110 and a semi modular I ended up having to stuff a lot of extra cable length into the front panel around the fan. Have since upgraded to a corsair sf600 and made some custom cables.
Caleb Bell
SSD would be one of the biggest factors in improving the "responsiveness" of your PC
Gavin Fisher
>Does overclocking void the warranty? IIRC, yes >Do I need to overclock if all I'm doing is playing games? no.
yeah mate, helps with programs, boot times, file transfer. Best user-experience upgrade you can do. Just one for your OS and main programs is good
Angel Gomez
>Do I need to voerclock if all I'm doing is playing games? No, but without overclocking, performance difference between an Intel i7 and an AMD R5 or R7 virtually disappear.
damn she looks cute with the antenna. That looks crisp, appreciate the share
Aaron Wright
what's amd planning on doing with those 8086s?
Julian Phillips
Check your motherboard's specs. If you want to be extra safe, you can always go specifically with a model that's on your motherboard's QVL (though doing this isn't by any means necessary).
Angel Lopez
What do you mean? When i enable the xmp on the bios i can set the ram frequency higher up to 4000. Where do i set it? Are there risks going above 3200?
Hudson Evans
Oh I misunderstood your question.
Anyway, your memory kit should have a nominal speed, timings and voltage, those should be a good starting point.
Liam Thomas
Who knows/cares? AMD was able to hit 5 Ghz out of the box years before Intel did (AMD FX 9590) If I had to guess, I'd say they would just use them for benchmarking and nothing else. This is purely a marketing stunt to steal Intel's thunder.
Aaron Phillips
>Who knows/cares? I could use one.
Austin Garcia
You can buy one or there was a contest by intel which started this all off. I entered on the off chance of winning, but I'd trade it in a heartbeat for a Threadripper CPU if I had the chance.
Jose Cook
why would I buy it if amd just has them sitting around?
>AMD >selling Intel CPUs pick one. This isn't the 1980s.
Oliver Jackson
No I dont't want them to sell me one, I want them to give me one because they obviously aren't gunna do shit with it besides make some modern art piece.
Luke Richardson
fat chance. You have a better chance of Intel giving away top of the line mainstream Core i7 CPUs to everyone for a year
Parker Allen
what if I emailed lisa su?
Kevin Lee
fat chance getting a reply
Oliver Williams
what if I tweeted something clever to elon musk and he retweeted to lisa?
Owen Taylor
why go through the hassle? Just get Elon Musk to buy you one then.
Alexander Hill
but I'm not waifu material?
Ayden Perez
Do not buy 1070 TIs Just wait
Luis Lewis
oh well. touch shit then.
Adrian Howard
>wait for what? i am actually planning to get a 1070 ti soon
Ryder Cruz
no thanks
Kayden Flores
What surge protector should I use?
I maxed out on a 1080Ti and an 8700k, so I don't really want to risk a power surge damaging anything.
I own an old powerboard, and a slightly more expensive old powerboard. Should I buy 1 expensive UPS for my tower and leave the good powerboard for my monitors ect, or just buy a regular powerboard?
Yeah a bit sometimes. Better to go with a 2400G when you plan to add a dGPU like Navi or an 1160 later. Averages are a bit higher and 1% minimums significantly better. But in some games it's no difference at all.
I like the ATX to SFX adapter plate. Though better still when a case is made for SFX.
user is implying that the 1100 series will be great value (it probably won't be). Expecting the 1180 to be slightly better than the 1080ti for a bit more money (at least $750 msrp), and 1170 to be slightly better than the 1080 for again more money (probably $550-$600 msrp). It'll be another year before prices drop and you can get them for a reasonable price. Nvidia has NEVER given fair prices without competition.
When the 7970 released, Fermi suddenly price dropped 30% and still were terrible price:performance after that price drop, which didn't matter since people were buying them before and after anyway. When Pascal came out and AMD had no competitive high end card, they released at by far the biggest jump in MSRP. Vega 56/64 are only barely competitive with the 1070ti and 1080, less so on power consumption and more so due to Freesync, and 1070ti released at somewhat reasonable msrp to counter Vega 56 as Nvidia's first reasonable new MSRP card in a long time. What do you think is going to happen with 1180 releasing with nothing comparable to that from AMD again? Nvidia are anti-consumer cunts.
any lmao. Your PSU, assuming you got a decent one, has its own surge protection. UPS is a good idea, yes. I use a CyperPower 1350PFCLCD
Angel Murphy
New cards in late July. Just wait a few more weeks and pass on any 1070 TIs
And should I wait for 9 months then maybe get the next generation ryzen and radeon? I'm really in no rush and I might have more money to spend then. Wondering if its worth the wait like I'm not gonna look how much money I spend and what I could get in a 9-12 months then feel bad
