/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g
>How to install older Windows with USB 3
pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

If you want help
>State the budget for your build
>List your uses- e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work

Overclocking
>DON'T BUY AN 8000K CPU OR Z300 BOARD IF YOU AREN'T OVERCLOCKING
>Delid 8000K
>Use Precision Boost Overdrive & BCLK increase for Ryzen 2000X
>Use a real stress test & trustworthy temp software- e.g. IntelBurnTest & Core Temp (DO NOT USE SPECCY)

CPUs
>2200G- Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional)
>2400G- Consider if close to 2200G price
>2600/X- Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>2700/X- Best mixed usage
>8700K- Best for gaming, but most expensive platform & delid necessary
>Threadripper/used Xeon- VM work/streaming/video editing

Motherboards
>Don't buy A320 (All Ryzen are unlocked)
>Only Z300 Intel boards can utilize memory over 2666MHz

RAM
>8GB- Enough for most gaming use
>16GB- Standard for heavy use
>32GB- Too much for most users
>2933MHz is ideal; 3200 CL14 is B-die

Storage
>StoreMI can make HDDs better
>Consider getting a larger SSD instead of SSD+HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 might be SATA or PCIe
>PCIe/NVMe for intensive use only

Video cards
>SLI & CrossFire are unadvisable
1080p
>1050 Ti, 1060 3/6GB, or 570/580
>1070 or Vega 56 for 100+ fps
1440p
>1070/Ti or Vega 56/64
>1080 Ti for 100+ fps
2160p
>1080 Ti

Power supplies
>Fully modular is very convenient
>80+ Platinum is overpriced

Monitors
>Explain purpose- e.g. photo editing, gaming
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>G-SYNC only with high budget/GTX card
>Consider FreeSync with RX cards/APUs
>Low refresh rates benefit less from better CPUs

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youtube.com/watch?v=qqAu39UaDbM
youtube.com/watch?v=2siG1G8FE4Q
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This is a friendly reminder to ignore anime and trip fags.

Threadly reminder that the only Intel CPU worth buying is the 8700k

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oh no no no

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>1 horribly unoptimized game
Tell me another joke shill.

>ashes of shitgularity is perfectly optimized

it uses as many threads as you can throw at it.

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Sorry didn't get the anwser in the previous thread.

Those b360 chipset boards, supposedly allow for only 16 pcie lanes

which means if you have a GPU and a pcie SSD, Gpu can't use all 16 lanes??


How much of a performance drop is there in this?

Or am i getting this all wrong.

>2018
>buying a locked CPU w/o HT
>buying into a dead chipset
That's only a 9 fps difference with worse frametimes, it can't stream at all and it already hits nearly 100% utilization. If the 2600/x wasn't out then sure 8400>1600, but otherwise AMD is the better choice.

>cucking yourself by posting a graph where it shows the 8400 is same perfomance with the $100+ more expensive amd build

The 8400 gets maxed out in a lot of games, stop recommending that

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Why would you use the dropping part of the game as a relevant benchmark unless you're clinically retarded? It's the worst performing part of the game as the assets are loading in. Frame time spikes ate generally as a result of asset streaming being slow or similar. I average over 100 fps on pubg with a 5 year old i5 and 1070 and the dropping part is the only time I get frame time spikes and even then it's rare. You've clearly never played the game.

It is assembly day my dudes. Given that I know nothing about computers I am immensely nervous. Prepare for me to shit up the thread with endless questions

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May your rig post true.

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>no mention of Ram speed or timings on AMD chips
into the trash, it goes

Are you done with your shill dump?

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Why do you think this graph favors the 2600? The price is not even equal. Unless you justify $100+ is worth it for 5 more fps

Not them but I've read the article you're referencing and it should be known that

>The all-core clock frequency has only been increased by 16%, but we have also boosted the memory frequency by 16%. However more crucially are the greatly improved memory sub timings, combine all these factors in a core heavy game and we’re seeing truly massive performance gains.

>That said it’s well worth nothing that it took an aggressive all core overclock, ultra expensive memory that was custom tuned and an upgraded cooler for the Ryzen 5 2600 to basically match the Core i5-8400 in this title. So while the gains and overall performance was excellent, the cost to achieve it is great.

If the extra 5-10% performance is worth the extra $100+ Samsung RAM and an aftermarket cooler which can range from $30 for a 212 evo to over $100 for an AIO if you want a really aggressive OC then sure but these facts should still be known for the newbies who visit these threads.

easily. The 8400 is already getting maxed out in games.

Meme ram shills on damage control

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Good luck dude. Take your time. Keep your work area organized.

my rig occasionally gives me 0s.
usually centered around ram.

Oh no, it's another "meme ram" episode

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bruh i got shilled for 3200mhz ram and somehow i still fucked that up lol

hoping it doesnt come doa so i can order my cooler :3

Nope gotta be low cl 3400 samsung b die ram for $250+ to pair with your 200 dollar cpu

>extra $100+
Hardly, 3200MHz B-Die kits start at $200

Stop spreading misinformation, the Sniper X 3400 kit used is CL16 with B-Die

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>somehow i still fucked that up lol
If it isn't B-Die and you didn't pay more than $170 for it you're good

ikr lol
looking into it, i went with 3200mhz cause ryzen 7 pairs well with high speeds but doesn't benefit as much from low cas.

since i do a lot of after effects i went with 3200mhz cas16 dual dimm. that way i get better bandwidth without going full autism.

pcpartpicker.com/user/CwalkPinoy/saved/WytXHx

>spreading misinformation
Its 235 i was hardly off in my estimate

Ok that's still about $60 than a cheap 2133 kit. All together you could be looking at around a $100 average extra cost overall with varying results depending on the lottery of your processor and how tight the timings you can actually achieve on that ram.

i ended up paying 175 because i wanted dual channel and high clocks, b die is like over 200.

also amazon starts at like 175 so i get better confidence with prime that i can just return it easy.

wasn't gonna spend THAT much lol.

It should work fine, update the BIOS and enable XMP/DOCP

I bought corsair 3000mhz cl15 last year for my 8400 for $160. Gets the job done. Prices are still too damn high.

I need to pick out an AIO cooler for overclocking the shit out of my R5 1600. Looking at reviews, it doesn't seem like there's a huge practical difference between 240mm and 360mm radiators beyond fan sound level, but there's often a decent cost premium for 360mm rads.

Should I bother paying more for a 360mm rad? What models do y'all recommend?

Prices are getting slightly better, for example here's a 3200MHz CL16 kit for the same price
pcpartpicker.com/product/qGqbt6/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvgb

just get a 240. You'll be fine. Ryzen chips don't put out that much heat. This isn't Intel.

reddit tier meme but relatable

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>than a cheap 2133 kit
There's a noticeable difference when going from 2133 to 2933/3000. That's where diminishing returns starts kicking it. You don't need CL14 3200mhz, but 3000 cl15/16 is perfectly fine and can often be found on sale.
I literally got the same kit last week for the same price. It was on sale+coupon code though. Could have gotten cheaper ram, but it was on the qvl.

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I wonder if the corsair 3000mhz cl15 can oc. I wont bother because i am on intel but it may help ryzen users

went with 3200 for after effects cause it was marginally more than 2666 and i'd rather just put the money in if i can.

>Ryzen chips don't put out that much heat.
What the average temps one should expect with a R5 1600/2600? I did a 15min stress test on Prime95 this morning on my 2600x and got 75c. But I think I fucked up with the paste.

Im thinking of getting a cheap 3200 and 8400. Do you overclock yours over 3000 or you have b360 so it caps at 2666?

>AIO cooler
I'd stick with air cooling, get a SE-AM4 NH-D15 or NH-U12S

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I have a z370 because i bought the 8400 at launch. Z370 is only like 100 bucks now though so its not a bad idea to get it and faster ram, it will perform a bit better

Unless you're getting a Z370 motherboard stick with 2666MHz or consider a 2600

>I wonder if the corsair 3000mhz cl15 can oc
3000mhz is an OC. The base is 2133 at 1.2v I think.
>Should I bother paying more for a 360mm rad?
Are you adding a GPU to the loop? If not then no. Just get a 280mm. Keep in mind most 360mm AIOs have the same pump that's used for the smaller size coolers.

I meam oc beyound the factory rated spec

2 minutes in and I have encountered my first question. The NH-D15 instructions state that for the SecuFirm mounting system to work, you need a metal backplate, which most AMD boards have.
I am using an ROG STRIX Z370-E and as far as I can tell I have no backplate. Am I missing something?

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getting a dh15 for mine. i was stuck between that and the drp4 but dh15 will be cool.

pun intended.

Thats the backplate right there in the picture silly. Slip it into the back of your board

>silly
>slip it in the back

*drools*

I might be getting z370 too because i can get a 3200 the same price as a 2666 in my country so might aswell pay a little more for a better board. Do you oc your ram tho or leave it as it is at 3000?

compared to an Intel chip? That's pretty cool.

I just xml and leave it alone. You couldnt manually tune it if you want but i wouldnt bother desu

What about compared to Ryzen chips?

I get 60c in prime 95 on my 8400 with a cheap aftermaket cooler. 75c seems a bit high

I’m a moron! The D15 comes with three seperate sets of instructions, I was looking at the instructions for AMD motherboards, not LGA2011

>xml
kek
but yeah i usually just turn on xmp and leave it be.

Still not sure what temps I should expect with ryzen. 8400 is locked, at a lower voltage (I think) and has a smaller TDP.

>my 8400 with a cheap aftermaket cooler.
Why? I know the stock one is shit but it won't throttle the 8400

>has a smaller TDP.
This means absolutely nothing. Intel TDPs only cover the base clocks, not the boost clocks. Hardware Unboxed tested the stock Intel cooler and found chips almost always throttle with it.

yes it will.

Stock one is loud as fuck and hits 85c in prime95. M9i was 20 bucks and comes with paste, well worth it imo, but not required.

Is PBO enabled? If this is at stock what's the airflow like in your case?

>This means absolutely nothing.
Wrong term to use I suppose as both Intel and AMDs TDP rating is junk. Actual wattage used is what I should said I suppose. But that still doesn't answer my question.

I don't even know how to enable PBO on this Gigabyte board. It's disabled in Ryzen master as a future feature. All I've enabled is XFR2 and XMP. It's on a H240-X though (that I think needs to be drained/refilled due to permeation/3 years at work)

i was considering a scythe mugen or fuma, but decided to just go with the dh15. i hope its worth it lol cause the fuma bracket looks sexy as fuck.

Anyone got experience with this monitor?
pcmonitors.info/reviews/benq-ew2770qz/
Looks decent on paper. Comming from 24" 1080p 60 Hz I'd like to go to 1440p 24" or 27", >60 Hz and G-Sync are a bonus.
My GPU is 1080, budget 500€.
Maybe I should wait(TM) until whatever whenever AMD will provide that can actually compete against the 1080(Ti)?

yeah that'll work fine. 27" 1550p ips is good.

Thanks for the suggestions anons, I think I'm still going to go with an AIO over air but I'll probably just go for a 240/280mm radiator. I don't plan on adding a GPU to the mix.

1440p* also i like the bezels.

Which GPU manufacturer makes the quietest non-AIO cooler?

My current EVGA with an ACX cooler is loud as fuck.

newer nvidia cards are pretty quiet. xfx, evga, zotac, whatever desu.

>nvidia cards are pretty quiet. xfx,
XFX is AMD only now. Nvidia tried screwing them over and they switched due to it

not sure how quiet amd's cards are cause my last one was a 390. i know the xfx 580 was pretty quiet lol

its mostly just buy newer card if u want quiet

AMD cars are pretty quiet when undervolted and have the Radeon Chill software setup

Id run some kind of cooler. You really cant go wrong with which one

How worth is it DDR4 over DDR3?

Is there even any modern chipset that supports DDR3?

no.

i think most gpus have a cooler on them lol
if youre going intel, usually a 4th gen cpu will run you about as much as a newer one.
if youre going on budget and you need ivy bridge for some reason, ddr3 will be about the same.
kingston ddr3 is a bit cheaper than ddr4 kits.

ddr3l tho lol

What's your motherboard? You can check temperatures and how much its boosting with HWiNFO and p95 running. I'd recommend OCing though the BIOS
youtube.com/watch?v=qqAu39UaDbM

It's the x470 Gaming 7. It's boosting to 4ghz. I'm checking it through Argus since Speedfan (what I was using for my 4690k ) doesn't work with this mobo. Checking the temps via the same program.

>1GHz in difference.

separate thread is apparently useless so I hope you anons can help me out, in lack of a dedicated storage general thread

so hereby my requirements:
(external) storage solution that can hold at least 2 HDD's, that when plugged in is seen as a single partition/disk, with connectivity via USB3 preferably

if I get one of those HDD bays, can make them behave like a single HDD/partition when the bay is plugged in?

My thoughts exactly but I'm still hesitant because I hear things about just mediocore blacks and contrast.
Are there any approved recommendations for 1440p gaming? I'm fine with TN if the whole package and pricing is fine.

use spanned volume in disk management

ah that sounds good, just didn't know if it worked with an external multi-disk setup
thanks user!

if you want my guaranteed recommendation, get a asus va32aq. i only say that because i own one so i know it's legit for video editing and gaming.

it has a weird thing it developed though where if i let my computer go to sleep it will have backlight bleed around the edges but it'll go back to normal as i use the computer.

You could reset everything in Ryzen Master and try out the UEFI
youtube.com/watch?v=2siG1G8FE4Q
Try enabling EZ Overclock Tuner and Core Performance Boost (under Advanced CPU Core Settings) or just do it manually increasing the CPU Frequency and voltages (when you reach the desired frequency dial the voltage down until it's unstable to find the lowest voltage you can run it under)

Is this site legit? Also 8% bottleneck with 1060

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OC aside the original question about about average temps for the 2600x. Someone said 75c was compared to Intel and another said their 8400 was lower. The guy asked me if I had PBO enabled, which I'm assuming I don't.

>Is this site legit?
no