He's still using Gmail in 2018

this, based mountain jews.

What are you people doing with your email that is so sensitive anyway

Actually scratch that, I probably don't want to know

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>he doesn't know

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>Still using email in 2018

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what kind of a solution that is?

It protects you from your goverment while being spied by the chinks, but who cares what the chinks think

>t. Xian

You either have a work/institutional address of which you'll eventually lose control of, or a Gmail account. Anything else is going to raise eyebrows

It’s crazy that there are “email apps” that hook up to Gmail in the first place. It’s just email. It’s SMTP and IMAP. Sendmail and Dovecot. Why does it have to have a special API?

>using malwaredroid
>ever

you'd think they'd learn

>who have signed up for one of the free apps in Return Path's partner network using a Gmail, Microsoft Corp. or Yahoo email address
>literally give a third party access to your account
>surprised they access it

>Allow third party apps to scan your email
>Blame Google for third party apps scanning your email
ayyy

>having newsletters, registration confirmations and various other shit sent to your main account.

That's great if you want all your outgoing email to go into the Spam bucket.

How exactly is letting third parties access the inboxes of accountholders anything but a massive breach of account security? Not just Google, but Microsoft and Yahoo as well.

protonmail.com /thread

No. Posteo+GPG.
I seriously don't get this service. It's supposed to be encrypted and secure and stuff, but doesn't that security only work if the two people talking are both using Protonmail? And it's only available through a webapp, with no external mail client access unless you run some shady daemon on your PC.

This sort of thing really makes me question the intelligence of the average computer user, not just the normie crowd but in the "technologically literate" circles as well. Are we seriously such brainlets that we can't use fucking GPG? Do we seriously need a web interface for our email? Email isn't even a "web" technology! It's smtp. It should have nothing to do with browsers in the first place.

But I guess everyone wants a shortcut these days. Nobody wants to use the proven-secure and industry-standard methods for encrypting their shit because it's just too complicated for them. For all I know, maybe it is, But holy shit, people will fall into honeypot after honeypot because of it.

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mailcow ftw

if you pay you can use it outside of their web app

why in the world would you have to though? I mean i've heard of email services blocking IMAP/POP3 unless you pay, but protonmail requires you to run a proprietary daemon on your system to make it work. Just seems very suspicious to me.

Im not sure what their agenda is, I just use them for burner emails when making accounts on various websites, they dont require you to enter any verifiable data unlike gmail

SPF, DKIM, and DMARC seem to keep me out of the buckets. Not sure if offering TLS inbound/outbound is helping or not.

uderrated post

Why not cock.li? I have an airmail account, my co-workers will never know that it is some weeb shit

Should also be noted that Gmail/Google isn't a partner with Return Path.
returnpath.com/partners/mailbox-providers/

>edison software
>a literal mail client
>their privacy policy
>By linking our Services to your email or other internet accounts, you authorize us to collect, process, and retain information, including personal information, from those accounts.

Actually, just read this shit. It's fucking terrible.
edison.tech/privacy.html

wow wtf. I recently switched to gmail because outlook being slow as fuck and has ads

Why not FastMail?

Because they like honeypots?

>open somebody else's mail
>its a felony
>company allowing its employees to go through user's email inboxes
>"hurr durr how can you be surprised? you said they could collect personal info when you installed the app XD"

Why is it that both sides of every argument in the tech world are dumb as fuck? Its no surprise that every new decision, design choice, or law/regulation/legislation today is completely idiotic. Morons like the ones itt argue about dumb shit like how its ok to give up your rights just because you clicked a fucking checkbox, and then wonder why nothing ever changes.

You can give people permission to open your mail.
You can give people permission to go through your email.

>"Activate the hardware backdoor."
>"No need. We can just read his email."
>"Excellent. Duplicate everything. Read it. File it. I want a full analysis of this individual's psych profile. Remember. Everyone is guilty until proven innocent. I want incriminating evidence and I want it now."

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Ya but you need a letter of authorization that has to be signed by both parties in the presence of a postal service employee. And its generally requested by the party wishing to have their mail taken care of by someone else. It would be like if you signed up for coupons of some sort and then they started opening up your other mail and taking pictures when they dropped them off, because a clause was hidden somewhere in the fine print of the registration form.

Even if people technically "agreed" to that, there would still be major lawsuits and the courts would side with the people because that's not something people can reasonably agree to. Like, if google put in the middle of their terms and agreements that by making an account you sign over all your assets to them, no court would ever allow that to actually happen. Just because people agree to something doesn't mean that its right or just.

Outlook isn't any better when it comes to privacy. Outlook has things like nudity scanners that once they go off allow a Microsoft employee to look through your mail.

With Google it's just robots. With Microsoft its robots and literal pajeets.

Let's just say there's a lot of legislation that has not caught up to digital times.
Also, email is a bit more of a grey area because you aren't running the "box" it is delivered into and emails aren't encrypted by default, so it's more like sending a postcard.

The conclusion is they're getting around it because the law is shit and people don't read privacy policies and shit.

Of course, kid.
Gmail is a very good provider. Business-wise, top notch because of all the drive and docs. I use Gmail and Runbox for my private stuff

Retard alert

Trust no one, not even yourself.

>assistant sends me airplane ticket via email
>Google's bot reads this and auto adds it to my calendar
>Uber API app reads my calendar and automatically schedules a ride to the airport for the date
>my assistant has access to my calendar
>if something changes, she can email me and the bot will update the info, or update it herself and the apps are aware of it

I'm willing to sacrifice my privacy for this. As it turns out, I'm not actually that interesting and I feel bad for any human that has to read what I write, especially you. Imagine if that was your job, to read my tripe. Who's getting the shorter end of the stick?
Google can waste their effort and money trying to get me to buy something, without success. They can try and see what I do and how I do it, and improve their application with that knowledge, and at least that benefits me. But whichever is actually happening, or with both, I don't care anymore. I'd rather we all be open and honest with each other anyway, privacy in the way we have it now, is a mistake. We're literally afraid of robots reading our spam. Someone might find out I like anime and Japanese lesbians, while also being a functional member of society, the horror!

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Hilarious, original, and informative. Thanks for posting this.

Here's the thing.
Most of that is fine, Google doesn't need to literally read users emails to set up such things, they can easily inhouse test to create those features and they trigger off keywords the system or your Gmail/Inbox app picks up in the email.
The problem is in third parties, like Uber, which you give access to your emails which can include things like what banking provider you are with, and they now need to keep that data secure too.
Hopefully they don't lose any login information but for example I haven't received any phishing emails for my bank and it's likely that's because I haven't had any data linking my email to my bank sold by a third party.

Conveniences always come at a price, and sometime those costs aren't worth it.

they and russians spy on you as well

GMail is still the best e-mail provider out there that isn't some no name obscure e-mail provider and or some shit hole country/third world country. I'd much rather trust the Jews this time around

stop shilling your website vincent

While in some ways this is true, the down side of it is who's gathering all that information about you, me, us.
>Privacy in the way we have it now, is a mistake
Yes it is, being scare does not solve a thing.
>Someone might find out I like anime and Japanese lesbians, while also being a functional member of society, the horror!
It's funny to think about it but in many aspects what you like is tied to what you are to society, if looking at anime and furry is OK for SoC, then you are a good member of the global community. If it's not then you are a pariah, a astray dog that needs to be put away, even if you have good values and bright ideas to change humanity in a good direction.

>The problem is in third parties, like Uber, which you give access to your emails which can include things like what banking provider
Private stuff like that should be in a secured container, call it another mail provider.

Google are scanning your emails. It's a surprise? No. They, for example, CAN and scan your attachment files for example. A friend already got his fly on his google calendar because they scanned his email and found the date on a .PDF that he send me. Degooglify the internet please.

>explicitly allow 3rd party to read mail
>w-why the fuck are you reading my mail!
literally a non-issue

I don't even give a shit. Normies did away with privacy, and other freemail providers suck. Get me better porn, Google.

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>friend/acquaintance gets one of these 'apps'
>it mines his emails
>including the ones you were involved in
The issue is the same as the Cambridge Analytica issue. In that, people were getting facebook shit that was mining their data, AND their friends' data.
Even if you didn't do this, if you know someone through emails that uses Gmail, and they got one of these things, you're fucked too.

Reminder that gmail doesn't allow you to send encrypted archives.

>He isn't using Protonmail or Tutanota in 2018

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But you can upload encrypted archives to Drive and share download links.

see: Stop being a brainlet. use GPG.

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>sign up for some bizarre ass “free” email service
>no guarantee they aren’t selling your shit secretly or mining it themselves
>need to interact with normies over email at one point or another
>send an email to someone with gmail
>now google has your email address and the body, builds a profile on you anyway even though you don’t “use” the service yourself

Host your own server. Provide accounts for your friends. Tech them all to use PGP. Be the decentralized web you want to see in the world. That’s the only real solution.

It makes me legitimatley mad that every website has standard security practices now. But why?
Because there's no reason I should have to use my super secure password for a temporary bullshit website for them to store it insecurely and leak it out.

>but you should use a different password for everything
That's just not practical.
>use a password manager
Even though someone would have to get my key database, the fact remains that it's equivalent to having 1 password for each account.
>but the security is in your domain, not someone elses
Not even true since I don't audit the entirety of my operating system or hardware ISA.

I'd much rather have a tiered system and stick with that, where everything in low tier is assumed to be compromised by default. But I'm not allowed to do that anymore. Sorry, I mean, 1'm-n0t-all0wed-to-do-that-anymore?!*

Security as a whole sucks so much.

>give app permission to read your email
>"b-but I didn't give permission to read the emails that friends sent me that contain their personal info"
Don't give permission to read your email then, or don't send personal information to "friends" that give those emails to strangers.

>the fact remains that it's equivalent to having 1 password for each account.
No it's not. Having one password means if Assfucker Forums gets compromised all of your accounts get comprised. This doesn't happen if you use a password manager.

This. Why isn't this obvious to more people?

>>The problem is in third parties, like Uber, which you give access to your emails which can include things like what banking provider
>Private stuff like that should be in a secured container, call it another mail provider.
Ok. So what about the companies they are selling this information to?

>bruh x86 could have vulnerabilities
>better reuse shitty passwords
the absolute state of Jow Forums

>Even though someone would have to get my key database, the fact remains that it's equivalent to having 1 password for each account.
Except that database can be under YOUR control while internet services are not.

You missed the beginning of the statement, if someone has access to your password database, what prevents them from using the accounts within it?

While it may not apply to people who only use 1 personal machine at home, some people need to use their accounts on foreign machines at times or even, under foreign networks. The likelyhood that people would bring their password database with them either on their phone, or via some networked sync, whatever, the database is actually vulnerable to some type of snooping.

>could have
jej

What is your rationale for your method, what backs your opinion? Instead of goofing around, would you explain?

I will not argue that, "can be" for sure, but what options do you have if you're not isolated? Basically, how to handle logins on third party machines/networks?

nah mate,
i use google inbox. its safe. they said so

so you switched to one giant corp that spies on you to another giant corp that spies on you.

if you don't care about privacy, google is the best of the web "ecosystems" to use. nothing wrong with it really.

if you do care about privacy, privacytools.io

>I'd much rather have a tiered system and stick with that, where everything in low tier is assumed to be compromised by default. But I'm not allowed to do that anymore.
There's nothing stopping you from doing that>Basically, how to handle logins on third party machines/networks?
Don't. They're security risks.

>You missed the beginning of the statement, if someone has access to your password database, what prevents them from using the accounts within it?

i'm someone else completely, but i'd like to add.
thats why i don't have 1 master password for 1 database that contains everything.
im keeping multiple keepass password databases each with different + long master passwords which i take with me depending on what i need to do for the day. with every account that has 2fa enabled. if i ever need to take one of the databases with me, i encrypt it on a usb drive or a cloud service
this way if any of those databases are compromised, its easy for me to know which accounts are at risk and to change the usernames/passwords accordingly
thats the paranoid level i'm most comfortable with

anyways what was i saying. ya most people probably arent as diligent with their password managers as i am, but still having a password manager is leaps and bounds better than having the same password,username,email for everything

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It werks for shit mail.
Can't complain.
For confidential stuff I prefer analog phone calls.

Which information?

The information google is sharing with uber, which uber is selling. All of silicon valley is in on this ponzi scheme.
Remember Equifax? They sell data too. That's the purpose of their business.

What's the general consensus on ProtonMail?

Not him, why should i care about my dad being sold. No "what if" games, how does it affect me as of right now

>dad
I meant data kek

>While it may not apply to people who only use 1 personal machine at home, some people need to use their accounts on foreign machines at times or even, under foreign networks. The likelyhood that people would bring their password database with them either on their phone, or via some networked sync, whatever, the database is actually vulnerable to some type of snooping.
So instead of storing your password database on an untrusted computer, you're going to type the password from your trusted brain into that untrusted computer? Good thinking, mate, that'll protect you.

>The information google is sharing with uber
Read the ToS. Google doesn't sell or share your data. Literally any single person who had evidence this is happening could sue Google's pants off, so clearly no such evidence exists.

>mfw have my gmail account from 2004 as primary
>mfw tried to migrate to my own domain which is hosted by Yandex but so many things were created with my gmail
fuckin' sux. I switch from yahoo to gmail in 2004 but it was a lot easier back then.

Pretty smart system to be honest. Thanks for taking the time to share.

No, the point is that it's an inherent "no trust" password. Remember many strong passwords can be impracticable, but like I was saying before. Even if you want to log into a low tier service/site, you'd have to unlock your entire keychain which contains higher tiered passwords.

Unless there is a manager that handles this nativley, like using multiple tiered passwords to simulate an effect close to what the person above mentioned. You could bring the whole database, but only ever unlock partitions of it.
I guess you could simulate that with hard drive partitions and multiple databases + encryption on them vs the db itself in any complex order you can think of.

There's nothing interesting in my email.

It's a legal "out" for them when they say, "WE will keep your data secure." That way they are not legally liable when data protection laws try to get them for it. THEY didn't LEAK it due to a COMPRIMISE.

Translation : "I don't care about free speech because I have nothing to say."

I have my own domain which and pay for protonmail so it gets sent directly to them.

>Translation : "I don't care about free speech because I have nothing to say."
>Translation : "I have nothing to hide. I don't even wear clothing in public. I have my banking credentials tattoo'd on my body, and all of my usernames and passwords are posted in the public square. I abide by the social credit structure created by communists"
bing.com/search?q=china social credit

>Even if you want to log into a low tier service/site, you'd have to unlock your entire keychain which contains higher tiered passwords.
You are allowed to have simple passwords for throwaway services, but I would generally advise against it for web services because data can be gleened about you if they get hacked.
Better not to have all your shitty services compromised because one is and just don't input passwords on untrusted systems or networks.

I use ProtonMail. I've had a Plus subscription for a couple of months now.

You mean this permission that I explicitly grant does exactly what it says it does?

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All fun and games until a neural network flags you as gay or racist or whatever and your Sesame credits go to shit.

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no one cares about anything in your emails user

oh noes, them police will read all muh mememails
he does remind you to use pgp
or just don't make police take interest in you?

>mfw google informs my coworkers of all the times I set up meetings on craigslist to find out what its like to suck dick but chickened out of

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