Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses - e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs >R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional) >R5 2400G - Consider IF on sale >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >i7-8700K - Best for 1080p gaming, but most expensive when factoring in delid, high-end cooler, etc. >R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
Motherboards >Only Z300 series boards can utilize fast memory with Intel
RAM >8GB - Enough for most gaming use >16GB - Standard for heavy use >32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this much >Current CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal
Graphics cards >GPU prices have gone down 1080p >RX 580 or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options >1050Ti or RX560 for lower settings 1080p, or older games >GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match 1440p >Vega 56 or Vega 64 /w Freesync; 1070Ti if you already have Gsync >GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match 2160p(4K) >Titan V
Storage >Consider StoreMi >Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
Monitors >Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards >Lock to 72fps on 144hz non-Gsync monitors with Nvidia cards to prevent tearing on more demanding games >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Wait, that's actually going to be a thing? I wonder what AMD is getting out of it, that's actually kind of cool if they can make it work and not run hot as fuck
Jose Wright
Can we just agree, once and for all, that AMD is just a shitty cheapo choice for poor people?
Evan Harris
if anything, AMD is for the tech-literate
Parker Allen
It's aimed for laptop and NUCs, pic related it's already out
Its for people who like buzzwords, who think more cores is always better and nothing else matters.
Andrew Baker
how would you know? you just sold yourself as one of the latter
Logan Scott
Do you think that a MSI X370 is good for 80€? Would buy an 2600/X.
Easton Bailey
Can anyone help me planning how to build the possible best single thread performance machine using an AMD processor? Also, limited space with poor ventilation, so I would probably need liquid cooling. Can I trust guys in the store to build it correctly if I order the parts? I don't eant to fuck up with liquid cooling.
I'll be in the market for a new CPU soon, and I am poor. I wouldn't mind more if the opportunity presents itself, but strictly speaking, I don't need more than 4C/8T. Problem is, I already have a graphics card that's better than the Vega iGPUs. Is there some non-APU that's comparable to the 2200G/2400G that I should be looking at? Maybe the last generation chips? Or do I just have to suck it up and buy an APU anyway? I've been monitoring sales for the last few weeks to see if there's some stock of something getting dumped that's in my price range, but I haven't really noticed any trends.
So pray for a surprise sale to swoop in and save me at the last minute, gotcha. Speaking of Mobos: I know why they did it, but AMD is a bunch of kikes for locking >4 SATA ports behind the Z-series chipsets. I like my boomer optical drive and magnitude of hard drives. Do I just get a B-series Mobo and buy a PCI(e) SATA card to expand to my needs, or is springing for the Z-series a not-garbage idea?
Enermax 240, unless it's a Threadripper get the 360
Alexander Davis
Should I get a rx580 or gtx 1070ti now that the prices are reasonably close to msrp? Or wait for the new line of nvidia cards? Are rx580 even worth buying at this point considering their age?
James Gray
2200G plus a cheap B350 or very soon B450 is your best bet. >AMD is a bunch of kikes for locking >4 SATA ports behind the Z-series chipsets I think you're confusing AMD with Intel. AMD high-end boards are X, not Z and as far as I know B350/450 offers 6x SATA.
Aaron Parker
And one shekel in yours. Do you actually have anything constructive to add to the convo ?
If I am buying a cheap PSU, and I choose an overpowered variant (it is rated for more watts than I need), does it have a lower chance of failing/burning? (In comparison with a variant tighter on my power needs)
Wait until new cards are released and pick up either one when stores are trying to clear them from inventory. RX580 is fine depending on what you want to do with it
Liam Fisher
>2200G Fuck. I'd be remiss to buy an APU and never use the iGPU ever, but I'll keep it in mind. >I think you're confusing AMD with Intel. AMD high-end boards are X, not Z and as far as I know B350/450 offers 6x SATA. You right, I meant X, not Z. Back when Ryzen was first announced and AMD was discussing the different chipsets, one of the original selling points of the X-series over the B-series chipset was 6x SATA over the B-series's 4x. I went to go look again to see if I could prove you wrong, and among the non-micro ATX B-series mobos that were at the top of the search on Amazon, it's a pretty even 50/50 split between motherboards with 4x and 6x SATA slots. Can't tell what the trend is there, either: there's $100+ mobos with 4x and >$100 with 6x. Maybe some specific manufacturers decided to be nice and include the extra slots? As far as I can tell, it's on a mobo-by-mobo basis, which I guess is a good thing to know before I buy. Guess all I can do is keep my eyes peeled.
>If I am buying a cheap PSU Don't buy chinkshit unless you want your rig fried >I choose an overpowered variant (it is rated for more watts than I need), does it have a lower chance of failing/burning? No you want your PSU operating at or above a certain wattage to prevent failure if you get an overpowered variant it won't be optimal spend the money on a better rated PSU thats not chinkshit instead.
Levi Cruz
I need a CPU for my gaming computer. I currently have a Phenom II x4 840 (iirc) that has served me for 7 years. My main game of choice is WoT, but I'm taking a break to play Planetside 2, which is very CPU bound.
Now I'm not interested in getting a whole new system at this time. But I figure getting the most powerful AM3+ CPU I can find would be inside my budget.
The options are : FX-9590 4.7GHz FX-8350 4.0Ghz
Get the 9590 obviously. Except it comes without a cooler. And every cooler I find that will handle 220 TDP is a liquid cooling system, which I don't want to be assed with.
So my question to the thread : do you know of a heatsink+fan I could buy for under 50 bux that would handle 220 W? Or do I just get the FX-8350?
Jordan Howard
>I choose an overpowered variant (it is rated for more watts than I need), does it have a lower chance of failing/burning? Short answer : yes. Longer answer : don't buy cheap crap. Get a PSU from a known and reliable vendor.
Caleb Price
buy stupid power supplies, win stupid prizes (blue smoke).
Do not cheap out on the PSU. Do not buy a no-name brand, retard.
Kevin Cooper
Man I wish I could do one of those integrated desk builds. Shit's expensive with all the tools you need.
Julian Carter
Honestly, you'd be better off going to AM4 and grabbing one of the Ryzen chips.
William Stewart
piledriver is already stuttering in this generation of games (40-60 fps on med settings), next gen of games will literally be 10-20 fps, if you're a cheapskate then get an i5 8400 or a 1600(x)
Easton Turner
A saw, a chisel, drill and sand paper is all you really need. I guess a router would be nice for a recessed window.
Jackson Howard
first build >au.pcpartpicker.com/list/6L6jWD >gpu was cheapest I could find and my guy said it might bottleneck if I get 1080
>budget $2000 AUD >use 1080p 60fps vidya, possibly streaming and video editing
That means a new mobo and ram. So we're talking 500 bux instead of 150.
Joseph Bennett
I'm a tech-illiterate moutbreather who's planning to build a new PC soon. So far I've only bought the case and a decent power supply, I can't trust myself with any other components. My budget will be about 1000€ for the remaining parts (not counting the 144hz monitor that I have yet to buy). I wanna be able to play games at 144fps/1080p on medium settings for the next 3-5 years if possible. The only other thing I care about is being VR(read:waifuporn) ready. There are some things I'm confused about: 1. I know that cryptocunts jacked up the GPU prices but they're apparently falling now. Does that mean now is a good time to buy GPUs? I heard Nvidia were supposed to introduce a new line of GPUs this year. If this means I'll be able to buy a future-proof GPU at a better price then I'll gladly wait until then.
2. RAM prices seem to be absolutely fucked. Can I expect them to recover anytime soon or am I really gonna have to shell out at least 150€ for 16 gigs of 2933MHz RAM?
3. Are Free-Sync/G-Sync an absolute must to reach 144fps on a 144hz monitor? If so I'll have to buy an AMD graphics card because G-Sync monitors seem stupidly overpriced.
I think that's it, I'd be happy to see some part recommendations and answers to my questions. For reference, my case will be a be quiet! Pure Base 600 and my PSU is a Seasonic Focus 80 Plus Gold 650W. I'm currently running an i5 4440 and a R9 270X, just to give you an idea of how outdated my stuff is. I'd like to buy the parts before November so that's how long I'm willing to wait for price drops/new releases.
>Maybe some specific manufacturers decided to be nice and include the extra slots? Could be, also mATX vs ATX. Imo wait until B450 hit the market next month or so then make your decision. For the CPU you are really stuck with 2200G or 2400G if it's on sale. The next upgrade would be 1600/2600. I know 1600 is last gen but if you can afford the 2400G you can also afford the 1600. What are your budget and location anyways?
Mobo is decent, if you want comfy OC add aftermarket cooler, m.2 is not the best, see if you can get SX8200 or 960/970, get a 7200rpm HDD and what about the PSU?
Joshua Gonzalez
There's a pin difference between AM3 and AM3+ anyways. They added an extra pin that was needed for the FX CPUs.
Luke Bennett
Yeah but there's a difference between doing something and then doing it well enough that it looks attractive. Anybody can just shove parts into a container and call it a day but then it looks like such a piece of shit that you don't even want to look at it.
David Clark
>mfw even the based 8400 beats poozen in their glorified game now
I have a AM3+ motherboard. The M5A78L-M LX with a 780G chipset.
Mason Gonzalez
OK thanks. I wanted to ability to get a 1070 level performance so I could eventually buy a new monitor.
John Thompson
For gaymen yes, you end up overpaying and need CS major tier knowledge to make it have the same perfomance as a i5.
Ryder Cook
Seriously? You do know that people made exquisite and intricate furniture long before power tools were invented. And honestly, your finishing (aka sanding, stain and varnish) is going to affect the final looks far more then anything else.
However, I do assume you know how to cut in a straight line.
Ryder Carter
1. Wait until new line is released and get a 1070(ti) or 1080(ti) at low price. 2.Nope you're fucked unless you can find a good price from somebody second hand on euro craigslist or something 3.G-sync is for nvidia shills AMD graphics cards that can push 144 consistently are stupid expensive or soon to be outdated. I have a 144hz freesync monitor with a 1060 and get at least 144fps in whatever i'm playing. 4. ryzen cpu November will have black friday deals and shit too so look out for that if new cards aren't released by then
Hudson Peterson
RX580 are solid especially if you can get it for $200~
Landon Rodriguez
Don't mind this shill , it's not a meme Are you blind or ignoring the part where you're wrong?
Considering I somehow also have to get price-gouged RAM and a mobo, CPU budget would top-out at $175. Obviously lower is better, more money to dump into RAM instead. >The next upgrade would be 1600/2600. It's $169 on Amazon right now, expensive but serviceable. Comes with a Spire instead of a Steath cooler too. I'll keep an eye on that to see if it goes on sale. > Imo wait until B450 hit the market next month or so Yeah but the problem is that "or so" qualifier at the end there. I could wait a month, but I'm not waiting two or three. Besides, I'd probably benefit from the sales resuting from B350 stock getting dumped as the B450 stock comes in more than the B450 mobos themselves.
I don't know what making it vibrate, maybe it my POS PSU since it's always loud, but sometimes I can feel it vibrating the table a little. Oh and it's place ON the table itself.
Aaron Taylor
I'd imagine it's very easy to cut your hand on the edges of that dust filter.
Parker Walker
Might be missing a screw or have a screwlose if you can hear it vibrating that loud
>That said, FX isn't much of an improvement over the Phenom CPUs
I'm hoping to double my FPS in a large fight. Currently, when it comes to 48 vs 48 I get 17 FPS aka a slide show. If I could get that to 34 I might be a bit more help to my faction.
This machine will be sitting in a cubicle, little airflow.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Can anyone actually answer me, though?
Gabriel Cox
You see why I tell people not to get those fucking Gigabyte G1/Windforce cards? They're so garbage, even on a low power card like the 970 or 1060.
A bit, but do what you want in the end with your own private things.
Update BIOS. Is your PSU old?
Get a better cooler and motherboard with at least 5 phase or 4*2 phase VRMs. And faster RAM lmfao. Why would you spend all that money just to be gimped by slow RAM making it slower than a 2700X would be?
No. MSI 300 series boards sucked but their 400 series are fine.
Lmao
Your budget seems too tight for that if it's including VAT. >3. Are Free-Sync/G-Sync an absolute must to reach 144fps on a 144hz monitor? If so I'll have to buy an AMD graphics card because G-Sync monitors seem stupidly overpriced. They don't give you more FPS... they make the experience better when the game can't run at that 144fps.
Jackson Bennett
Go back and look at OP's pic. It's an ugly standard desk with 3 holes cut in it. One in the front for air, one on top for aesthetics and one out the back for cables. I could do it with a sharp knife and chisel. It'd rather do it with a drill, jigsaw and chisel.
Camden Ortiz
>mfw pajeets sell a piledriver roomwarmer to a poor soul that wishes to get a few more fps >mfw pajeets will literally burn anons house down >mfw for the same price he can get a nice cool intel cpu that wont break the bank in terms of power usage
Thanks. I thought G-Sync and Free-Sync are what enables 144fps gaming on 144hz in the first place. Goes to show how little I know. How much higher should my budget be to suit my requirements and what kind of Ryzen processor should I consider?
There's a bunch more listed on Jow Forumsbuildapcsales today, but again because of the tax and hoops a lot of them aren't really deals it seem.
You time traveled to the wrong time. It's 2018.
No just higher refresh rate on the monitor does. But you can get screen tearing and microstutters (displaying the same frame twice sometimes when it shouldn't) without Freesync/Gsync. Since some games, namely console ports and just poorly programmed games, won't even run above 60fps or 100fps or so, having Freesync/Gsync is nice.
You said you had like a 1000 euro budget, right? RX580+2600X+144hz 1080p monitor is probably going to be more around 1100-1200 euro.
>500 $300-350 would be enough if you're not including a monitor in the budget
Lincoln Davis
Also, I don't have a CPU to allow me to upgrade the BIOS for Raven Ridge. Will this be an issue?
Angel Cooper
No problem, if you could spend a bit more you could get the faster F4-3200C16D-8GVKB. The 2200G is $80 on Microcenter if you're near one Most B350 motherboards should have the correct BIOS by now but if that's not your case you can ask AMD for a free boot kit (that you'll have to ship back to them when you're done, you can keep the cooler but it's not very good) support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/2Gen-Ryzen-AM4-System-Bootup.aspx
Jonathan Edwards
>The 2200G is $80 on Microcenter if you're near one Scratch that, just remembered you were in Canada
Robert Sullivan
Save up or get a temp job or donate plasma until you have enough for a new Ryzen rig. I had the same Phenom II system that I kept afloat with cheap ebay DDR2 ram and minimalist Linux distros. Jumping on the Zen boat was not cheap but ultimately I can probably last another 6 years unless Intel gets off its ass and actually makes something to compete.
Jaxon Murphy
My problem isn't cash. I have it. My problem is putting 500 of it into gaming computer, rather then actual games.
Connor Fisher
Grit your teeth an do it. You're on Jow Forums so we all know you spend a large portion of your life in front of your PC. Just like a decent bed, a decent chair, and decent shoes it's an investment into your quality of life albeit a slightly less important one than the aforementioned three.
Camden Ward
>My problem isn't cash. I have it. My problem is putting 500 of it into gaming computer, rather then actual games. >2018 >not pirating
About to pull the trigger on this. Was looking to build a high range budget pc. I'm not too knowledgeable on what parts of the best for their value, I went based off reviews and various recommendations.
Would any of you have any better suggestions before I start ordering this? Also, there's a way to get windows 10 for free correct? I really don't want to drop 100$ on it
Joseph Bell
>not pirating Do you actually understand how free to play games work?
Jaxson Howard
Note the tumblr gif. user is retarded in a "trying too hard to fit in" kind of way.
Joseph Hughes
Is there any issue with using the GPU from my last PC in my new PC until I can afford a better one?
