Should programmers study Sociotechnical Systems Engineering?

How about the systems engineering of a programming language?

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The documentation sucks. That's an epic fail of the technology.

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This but desu the non-STEMs have already mucked things up with UI/UX and design thinking.

The World is covered in shit and Life is full of lingering retards?

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What are some good FOSS OR resources? I found this:

coin-or.org/

They seem to like Python. How does that make sense?

lol fsck no, look at the current quality of the output of uni's and what is in the industry at the moment.

The idiocracy isn't the only game in town, skro.

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This (link, below) isn't specifically OR but it's in the vicinity - the series is a pretty good introduction to the big picture concepts of simulation:

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This would require exceptionally well developed and richly informed people who understand both the big picture nature of things and the intricacies of how to design and build systems. How many people like that actually exist?

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i just like to look at pictures of boobies on my cell phone

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Jow Forums has you covered, bro!

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Sexual exercise equipment that physically emulates the ape form will never be viable technology for several reasons.

>The Century of the Self
Fuck that normalfag noise. Read Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation, Moldbug and Nick Land. And yeah, cybernetics is good.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_research
is this the grandfather of psychohistory?

my.mixtape.moe/dfgfzg.pdf
atavisionary.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/A-gentle-introduction-to-unqualified-reservations.pdf
my.mixtape.moe/fcygua.pdf (an user made this)

I had to the take take this class also one in ethics and society.

I wonder what kind of person would want to become a Sociotechnical System Engineer.

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Sorry wrong pic.

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Central to all of this are the methods of regulating the malignant influences of Life's savage history without stifling a person's positive motivation, inspiration, and determination. This aspect of the system might be called "Spiritual Engineering".

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>what kind of person
Societies are not like trees - they don't just grow from a seed out of the dirt.

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Is that like a "custodial engineer"?

wtf I want to be a engineer now

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I'm kind of a brainlet but I can't see the relation beteween Simulacra and Simulation, OR, Systems Engineering and Cybernetics.

What the fuck is going on this thread, could someone please spoon feed me?

>Simulacra and Simulation
probably knows of this book from The Matrix and he tried to bluff the conversation by dropping a reference. It's irrelevant.

The relations between the other stuff should be obvious if you study the links presented in this thread.

They kind of do but with a bunch of behavioral orthotics and capability prosthetics added.

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How do I save this thread, or is there a reliable archive site for Jow Forums?

Bump because it is a interesting thread.

I suppose someone here could try to use methods somewhat like those of Psychohistory to speculate about why you would think it is related to Operations Research.

I thought I was being clear. My post was about The Century of the Self. You'll have a more true understanding of mass psychological distortion if you read Simulacra and Simulation and the Moldbug book than if you watch that documentary.

You shouldn't trust other people's computers to preserve your data for you. rbt.asia/g/ is pretty reliable, but Ctrl+S is your best friend.

>thanks
rbt.asia/g/thread/66736962/

What about Game Theory?

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Yeah, it definitely fits in with the tech and ideas of this thread.

The Teaching Company has a lecture series that is an okay introduction.
uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/torrent/4559460/TTC_Video_-_Games_People_Play_Game_Theory_in_Life__Business_and_
Also worth the time - rrt2.neostrada.pl/mioduszewska/course_2643_reading_3.pdf

There is also a series on complexity that is worth the time, IMO.
uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/torrent/6096307/TTC_VIDEO_Understanding_Complexity

I once read "The Occult Technology of Power"[1]. Something about the style reminded me of the "Fama Fraternitatis"[2].

[1]: wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:The_Occult_Technology_of_Power
[2]: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fama_Fraternitatis

The engineering of societies probably has better techniques by now, right?

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bump

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This movie is either insulting or depressing. Who is the target audience?
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Eye know you. ;)

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Fedora wearers looking for anything they can use to make themselves feel superior to others

Cracked spins it as a utopia. youtube.com/watch?v=OmZOZjHjT5E

Yes

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>behavioral orthotics and capability prosthetics
you guys dont talk like other Jow Forums people

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It doesn't quite fit into the mosh pit of Jow Forums teen-tard esteem battles, does it?

Everyone should study everything.

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Eye remember you too. ;)

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But that's pretty much impossible

Assuming:
1) There are about 325 million people in the US with an average life expectancy of 75 years and an even distribution.
2) It takes about 30 years for a person to mature and their capabilities are in rapid decline after 60 years.
3) Only about 3% of the population are of the NT type.
Then there are about 3.9 million objectively rational, mature, thinking people in the US.

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There are more NT's than 3%.

wtf i JUST finished watching Idiocracy for the first time.

The Century of the Self
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The Corporation
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Why watch century of the self instead of the much more on point one, when it comes to technocracy?
>All watched over by machines of loving grace

No, everyone should have a basic understanding of everything though

>Socio
stopped reading right there

everything in this thread is cia nigger garbage
the truth is very obvious basic human emotions rule everything and there is no secret technocratic explanation of the world
greed, envy, fear, pleasure, etc - these are the things that drive humanity not technology

Nice soft science faggot. Myers Briggs tests are no better than astrology, you self-report your ideal characteristics, not necessarily your actual behavior, which is not compensated for. Considering the level of delusion most people live under it's easy to see how flawed it is. Finally it can change repeatedly over a lifetime.

Retard detection technology will open the gates to a brave new world.

I am of German/Scottish descent. ;)

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This thread is getting goofy. Where is the OP?

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Going to bed.

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Except it won't, a lot of serious congenital neurological disorders can be carried to term without outward indications, including DNA. You might catch some Down's kids, but you're not going to catch Asperger's kids, you may only catch a handful from the spectrum as a matter of fact. Fetal imprinting is another important factor. Development, education, and intellectual reception from childhood until adulthood and beyond. Acute maladies can seriously damage the brain.

Best case scenario is we conceive and construct a non-biological yet self-aware machine capable of likeminded but rational manipulation and modulation of the environment around it. At that point we will have become gods, it is only then that the potential of humanity will be recognized. Everything we've learned through the eons, were all the things we shouldn't do. If we can impart even an iota of that experience into a machine, it will develop worlds leaps and bounds beyond what any human can conceive. That's the real Brave New World. Huxley's imaginings were nothing more than a retirement home for a bygone species, deprecated in the maw of eternal space.

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>this thread

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why would you want that? just let these glorified technicians be the autists they want to be, and profit from that

There are a lot of points of failure in diagnosing someone with some ML code made to analyze emotions. Consider someone with facial fatigue that's spent all day driving into the sun to get to their specialist's appointment to be handed out a false diagnosis. Or someone with flattened expressions being misdiagnosed along the autism spectrum when they have schizotypal personality disorder. Maybe someone with less muscle tissue, innately less expressive, being diagnosed as anything other than healthy.

Neuroplasticity, from the literature I've read, is very impressive. We don't know enough about it to proclaim it the holy grail, I don't think. Dead brain tissue doesn't come back, neurogenesis in adult humans is equally poorly understood. It may or may not happen in places other than the hippocampus, but even then we hardly know to what extent. In trying to manipulated the brain into the production of more neuronal mass we may run into issues. It's a hard fight through rehab to reach nominal functionality, getting to normal functionality is an even lengthier battle, exceeding that should be expected to grow exponentially. Drug induced neuroplasticity could pose serious risks and consequences. Consider if you increase the formation speed of neurons you also proportionately increase the rate of pruning. Suddenly you're turning stroke patients into schizophrenics.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3297065/

is this the new buzzword for "cybernetics"

Has anyone else noticed the anti-programmer sentiment on Jow Forums recently?
What are they planning?

no god please no

Same here

don't use technology if you don't want to.

LEGIT

>tedious
Circuit 2
whale.to/c/Prometheus Rising.pdf

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An example of what Cracked () calls "hateful stupidity of the ambitious moron"?

That's overstating it a bit, maybe. It looks like he is trying to be a decision maker rather than a participant. The drive for authority and status has rendered him irrational. His myopic lack of comprehension of the hints given to him just makes his behavior that much more absurd.

>Idiocracy is like totally real maaan

After some time on Jow Forums it can sometimes seem that way.

Tardzilla: The Tantrum Menace
(A Jow Forums regular?)
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god I wish that were me

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Why would you want to be like that? It's a developmental failure.

oh I dunno looks fun I guess

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Esteem is a zero-sum game for the standard Circuit-2 twat. He's spinning for position.

Games People Play - rrt2.neostrada.pl/mioduszewska/course_2643_reading_3.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game

Question:
Considering that most people will go through phases of incompetence and obnoxiousness, to various degrees, due to inexperience with the external, objective environment and due to a lack of comprehension of the internal, subjective drives and behaviors of the animal, what are some good techniques to filter this incompetent, obnoxious behavior from the product of society while not stifling the exploration and growth potential of the developing person?

In the design of a human-based system it is probably important to keep in mind that some people are not fit enough to realize or recognize their own limitations - they haven't developed the foundational abilities and a demeanor to enable error detection and correction.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

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mushrooms

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While the competent application of some psychoactive chemicals (e.g., psilocybin) might be useful in human development, the question is about how to recognize low-functioning and/or malignant behavior and filter its influence from the products of society, including culture. This would need to be done in a way that does not result in depression, dissuade participation, or interfere with exploration and progress.

As society-level technology moves forward, I think it is critical to the point of being axiomatic that a monkey never have any authority or significant influence over anything.

Considering this, even though Jow Forums is a fundamentally broken design in many ways, as a half-measure, the behavior and decisions of janitors and moderators should be routinely audited, vetted and the positions occasionally purged. ;)

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my boss asked me to learn him php
I try to explain him that he cant be ceo dushbag and know code at the same time

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