Xeon

Stay buttblasted shlomo

ghz and threads aren't the only things about processors.
they have "features", cache size, bandwidth, supported hardware, etc

>H55 mobos are expensive

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Your thread on /tv/ was way better than this one.

Xeons are great. I've got a Dell R710 and it's running well.

Keep making shit up, shill

Stahp you are embarrassing me

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there is no need to be upset at reality

show me those cheap mobos then

What do you need these for?

How about I show you my dick.

go ahead

Your attempt to derail this thread is cute Jewbro

What a fucking faggot holy shit.

>no mobos
>no dick

pussy

I'm sorry your modern ayymd tech is slower than decade old xeons but there's no need to call me names because of that.

I really enjoy aes-ni, vt-x, which these "older" xeons DO have, so yeah they're pretty good, but new processors have support for higher frequency RAM, newer instruction sets, cache size, pcie-lanes, plus all those existing features.

one gripe I have of my "older" xeon is it doesn't have interrupt mapping, but the server mobos do have good iommu groups.

open pinus now

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I am not a faggot unlike you but suck on this amazon.com/Asus-Micro-DDR3-Motherboard-P7H55D-M/dp/B0033PRQ9M

>very comparable to the just released Ryzen 2200g

No.

They're good for an upgrade of an ancient system or if you're utterly dirt poor but they shouldn't be recommended for new builds as mobos from that era will start going bad now from capacitor aging.

Not to mention the upgrade options available on AM4

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so what, are you gonna show us that cock or what?

>higher frequency ram
pretty sure my sticks would run at 2600 cl11 on p55 boards

already got the p55 atx version of this to suck on

I just bought a GA-P43T-ES3G for 38€ because i wanted more than 4gb ddr2 (max. Possible in my actual mobo) but didnt want to spend hundreds on a new build. I'll just transfer my beloved q9450 on it and call it a day

>2.5 GHz vs 3.7 GHz

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Disregard Image, I was thinking of C2D not nehalem.

Previous point still stands, aging mobos and cucked upgrade ability are a problem.

Not to mention it's unlikely you'll hit the best overclocks unless you spring for a decent mobo, which defeats the point really.

Esp. the guy with the "wtb" in his name.

that guy is an absolute faggot lol

You really think someone with a 10 year old cpu is looking for upgradability down the line.

>hurr what is IPC

My point was it's fine as an upgrade to a system you have, but I wouldn't go out building a new system from parts this old due to cap aging.

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really? pretty sure an older xeon wouldn't actually be able to use it.
>x5675
>Memory Specifications
>Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) 288 GB
>Memory Types DDR3 800/1066/1333
>Max # of Memory Channels 3

2400g 160$
igpu
3000mhz 2x4 100$
Tot ~260$

Xeon x3450 20$
1050 TI 180$
2400mhz 2x4 70$
Tot ~270$

What build should I go for lads?

on x58 memory speed is limited by uncore, meaning you won't get over 1800-1900 without ridiculous voltages

1050 Ti way better lol

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get a used hd 7950 or similar instead

>x3450
> Memory Types DDR3 800/1066/1333
seriously that's retarded. stop this nonsense.

>posts board that is out of stock

>What am I missing out in those 10 years apart from smaller nm and lower wattage?
Nothing, you, like others have come to realize are simply seeing the results of Intel's monopolistic and unethical practices making the CPU market stagnant for many many years.

I’ve seen 290x cards for that price on eBay. They should crush a 1050.

If there is no opposition there is no need to force the advancement.
This is more AMDs fault than Intels.
It was AMD that hyped Bulldozer and Piledriver to the heavens and then failed to deliver for over 5 years in addition to their prior 3-5 years.
Thankfully this is over for now with Ryzen.

Imagine how powerful CPUs would be today if AMD didn't release the shitshow that was Bulldozer

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Imagine how powerful GPUs would be today if fanboys didn’t buy nVidia cards even when ATi cards were eating their lunch.

>What am I missing out in those 10 years apart from smaller nm and lower wattage?
Integrated graphics that support 2K+ monitors and can run some games, for one.

With the ryzen you get cpu warranty, modern ram and i/o and new mobos with support. No one in their right mind would consider a ten years old xeon from ebay in the year of the lord 2018 but this is a troll thread on g so it doesn't matter.

They would crush your power bill too

ATI/AMD always sucked dicks at marketing.

>Currently unavailable

Stop lying, you are a faggot.

Yeah. Because intel never engaged in illegal business practices when AMD was eating their lunch round about 2003.

2x the performance 3x the power consumption. Factoring for the performance benefit, it’s like leaving an extra light on.

Imagine if Intel innovated instead of slacking off for 10 years for AMD to catch up.

The main issue with the Xeon line is that they are impractical for consumer use. Mobo's aside, power consumption and whatever else convenience issues aside the biggest issue is that it's a commercial CPU ment for nill down time, robustness and suited for constant floating point processing (i.e bank ledgers/ Iaas) where you have maybe thousands of transactions vs running one high utilage process like gaming.
It's like the equivalent of using commercial restaurant applicationsike blenders or ovens for a home kitchen. The commercial equipment is built to be used constantly and at a much higher volume at the same time consuming more power, being much louder and bigger vs a home use appliance that built in mind well for your home.

Don't confuse official support with capability. These old platforms can still be very good, but you're going to want to overclock the piss out of the, and at that point you need to ask yourself just how much cooling you will need, how much noise you can tolerate, and how much heat you want blasting out of the case. Then double check the prices and make damn sure you want to move forward.

Ignoring all the cons, you can pick up a dx58so for ~$100 a w3520 for $4, 3x4GB of ECC 1866 memory for $50, a decent air cooler for $30-50, whatever GPU you prefer, 250GB sata ssd for $60, 2tb hdd $70, psu $60, case $50. Going with $50 for the cooler, and excluding gpu pricing you're at a cool $444. Jump up to something like an x5650 for not much more, but then the dx58so is going to heavily limit the clocks you can achieve.

Or you realize that there are better alternatives on modern platforms for around the same price as shown here: Let's ignore how AMD got into such a financial position it had to kick bulldozer out the door to attempt a ROI. It's entirely all their own doing that Intel went undisputed for years.

Everything you said is either incorrect, or irrelevant. The xeons aren't made any differently, they're just better binned without having features gated off. The big dollar amount on xeons has to do with support and enabled features. Nothing more, nothing less. A w3520 as I pointed out above, is in fact the same goddamn cpu as an i7-920. It just has ECC memory support along with maybe a few extra frills.

>why weren't they wasting money in R&D for no reason, surely the bad guys!

The big dollar amount on them isn't just Intel's usual kikery (partly). They are made within a high tolerance for *gasp* business clients/servers were you have mobo's designed to be super redundant a nd have features built for the use of multiple PSUs.
But keep beliving people are "uninformed " and spread bullshit about this. Your probably the kinda person who has the "DURR THE COMMERCIAL STUFF IS MORE POWER THUS IT'S BETTER" type faggot.

what a big load of bullshit

how's the view from mount stupid?

R&D into that sweet 10nm fab?

When i was at uni i scabbed an old thinkcenter and got a 50$ r9 380 & 20$ xeon and it runs like a dream.

Things like multiple PSU support has absolutely NOTHING to do with the CPU. That's handled by the motherboard. Tolerance on the CPU level is managed through the use of ECC, that being error tolerance. There are also some additional security based instruction sets, which I covered previously with >along with maybe a few extra frills

There's nothing stopping an i7 from using ECC or any other Xeon exclusive feature other than Intel themselves. Pro-tip the i7-920 vs the w3520 as I previously referenced have the same tdp, same core count, same cache, same QPI bus speed.

Any xeon of any generation uses the exact same topography and core architecture as a core-i equivalent with the exception of multi socket chips which have additional HBIO. The 7980xe is an identical cpu to a w-2195. The difference between them is they removed a handful of features from the 7980xe to prevent customers who NEED those additional features from saving $600. Just like Intel is the only thing preventing people from overclocking any non-sanctioned CPU. Oh, and the 7980xe has a higher TDP due to running a higher base clock. So there goes your "the industrial cpus is more power" autistic arguement.

AMD is doing the same thing with the TR2-2990x, it's just a 32 core epyc that has a significant amount of functionality removed due to the platform it's being put on, which still makes the current 32 core $4000 Epycs a better choice for those who need that.

shills
FTFY

You can't make this shit up famalam

Any Intel chip with at least the Core 2 architecture is still pretty capable nowadays. Just top out with as much RAM as you can afford, add in a SATA III controller and an SSD and these older platforms can still surprise you with decent performance for the dollar. You're better off getting a Socket 1366 platform, and the best way to get one of those is either the HP Z400 or the Dell Precision T3500. You don't get to overclock thanks to the boards being OEM, but stock clocks are still decent. Lots of different chips for the platform, and if you update the BIOS on the workstations, you can even use the multi-CPU chips on them despite being a single-chip board.

Be aware that with the HP Z400, it has to come with six memory slots, otherwise the board isn't compatible with the later hexacore Xeons if you want one. Also PCI-E is limited to 2.0 (not like that matters at all) and SATA is SATA II (which does matter for SSDs), so you may wanna stick in a SATA III controller for full utilization of SSDs. The stock PSU on either workstation can handle a 6-pin

>So what's the catch?
>What am I missing out in those 10 years apart from smaller nm and lower wattage?

horrible DDR2 bandwidth
pre-Sandy Bridge crappy IPC
Meltdown and Spectre
and as you noted, the clocks and especially power consumption are not great.

but if you at least get Nehalem or newer, you'll still have on-die memory controllers.

Because they’re power hogs that you have to use ancient motherboards with that are limited quantity now, your comp will be screaming trying to keep it cool, and your room will be an oven.

>SATA
>Not SAS

Your average computer user (office, netflix, browsing, etc) would be more than happy with a Nehalem i5 or i7 paired with a SSD and 8gb of RAM.

CPUs last way longer for general use and productivity than they use to.

i've run 1866@10 on x58 just fine
the right sticks and settings give 34+GB/s

the only real downside to westmere is needing a dh14 for the same performance as modern quad cores

>implying normies need anything above a first gen i3/Q6600
>implying they need more than 4GB
>implying they need a SSD at all

because the average consumer won't benefit from having X amount of cores of an old design.

Even if you overclock it , its still an old design.
The i3-8100 scores ~1.8X as well as the x3440 in passmark

Unless you want to go the 'value' route and claim that the Xeon gives you the best value, but that can be said true about any CPU or hardware in which the price approaches zero.

>Horrible DDR2 bandwidth
Implying ram bandwidth and make any difference on non Ryzen CPUs.

>x3450
>ddr3 2400
bullshit
get the ryzen, you have upgrade path

running mine comfortably at 4.3 with a bequiet pure rock, never hits 70°C

>/pcbg/ is 95% horrible advice

t. /pcbg/ posters.... seriously, take your half-knowledge with you and just commit suicide... fuck you

HAHAHA
THISSS
Too much r/amd made you retarded

He cant handle being wrong

paid 125 for the pc
30 for the psu
had the gpu lying around

looking to grab a gtx 970 next week

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The thing is, almost everybody has the $160 to spare for 1,2,5,10% better performance, and they should do it, too.
Old hardware just doesn't cut it. I want a snappy computer with DDR4, low power consumption, abundance of motherboards, etc...
Those shitty little BIOSes on the 15 year old xeons will take 2 minutes to POST.

8gb and an ssd would be useful even for normies, remember the 6 million chrome tabs

Found some HP 6300s. Gutted but didnt take CPUs. Okay now I got 5 Gen 3 1155 i5 3570 3.4 ghz build parts.
>3 weeks camping online sites then found it
Asrock H61M-VG4 motherboard on amazon $25 new. Buy 1 to check.. sadly they went missing after that. (shrug)
Setup with 8 gig ram (upgraded to 16 later for $130, not happy with price but whatever), SSD, 750 ti 2gb. Tossed in a USB 3.0 card to expand it better with case. Very pleased for a gaming PC. Once coin mining dies off completely I'll get a newer video card.

For how much did you cop that 750ti?
It seems to better than the Vega11

750 ti was just a spare I had laying around. Bought it for a linux box to test gaming before that coin days took off. Think I paid $75 new for it from Fry's.

Does it still hold up to newer titles like the Witcher 3 battlefield 1 ACO and ps3 emulation ?

Witcher 3 is fine on it, not sure on the others. Never did grab higher than PS1 roms. The 750 ti is as close to the 1050ti as you can get. Not as great but close enough. The 1050ti with 4 gb does hold the title easily though.

witcher 3 should run at low 40+fps, bf1 slightly better, forget about aco though

Does it support Android Studio VM?

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still not seeing cheap mobos

aliexpress.com/item/original-motherboard-ASUS-P7H55-M-LGA-1156-DDR3-boards-for-I3-I5-I7-16GB-mainboard-H55/32831712283.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.8.34a25e13BHSbxD&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10320_10152_10151_10065_10321_10344_10068_10342_10547_10343_10322_10340_10548_10341_10696_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10820_10821_10302_10846_10843_10059_100031_10319_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=6466f726-b350-4d7e-b6ef-07c7f65af207-1&algo_pvid=6466f726-b350-4d7e-b6ef-07c7f65af207&transAbTest=ae803_1&priceBeautifyAB=0 not exactly cheap but if you spend some time on facebook marketplace or craigslist you're gonna find them for much cheaper

PS3 emulation is extremely CPU-dependent.

thanks for making me look lol think i'm actually gonna pick this one up

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