It's 2018 and windows STILL has no package manager?!

It's 2018 and windows STILL has no package manager?!

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Can someone explain what is this package manager/repositories/etc. on linux?

It's somethink like a site that store all the software you can install like filehippo or something ?

using shit Ninite when you could be using superior Chocolatey with support for hundreds of third party apps
chocolatey.org/

Agree. I dread this in Windows every day.
I have to update every single program manually.

you're doing it wrong then, get Chocolatey

How good is this? I've heard it installs shit in weird locations.

And how about installers with options?

Yes, they're basically actively maintained application repositories.
Imagine being able to install any application with a single line like:
apt install photoshop

And with a single line like:
apt upgrade
You could keep up to date all the applications on your system.

Have a look in a popular repo yourself.
dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/
It's basically software that goes to some site and downloads files on its own.

Is that shit legit? Will it break my shit?

Enjoy your MITM

*tsssk*
*gllp gllp*
Ahh, you won't see this on Linux, kiddo.

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works beautifully, and no it's the default install location. you can use flags or the optional GUI to handle different locations/options
chocolatey.org/docs/commandsinstall

legit, and what exactly do you think it will break? it's just installing/updating software

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I don't know, delete a system file by mistake due to one wrong letter or something

>package manager
package manager = walled garden. Why would you want this?

It's 2018 and people still refuse to ues Microsoft's Store. That IS your package manager, you poo poo munching wankstain.

*clack-a-clack-a-clack-a-clack-a-*
...*hits enter*
hhhrrrrrrrwrwrwrwrwwwwwwwrrrr zzeeep zoop
0% 5% 25% 55% [100%]
>update finished: 4.35GB total downloaded and installed for: 3mins 34secs.

Why are you roleplaying as a computer?

To describe what it feels to use the new pack. man. Stimulate your servers.

It actually does (W10).

But tbqh, I prefer offline installers. I know most people probably don't, though.


You're lying. Very few programs need regular updating.

Yes it does, it's called "Windows Store"

>things which never happened. the post.

it has a package manager for the whole NT series obviously.
What it doesn't have and what you're actually refering to is a software repository. Windows is just enveloped by a completely different culture where this kind of thing would never succeed. The closest equivalent has been sites like softpedia, majorgeeks etc. but both the sites and the users don't have the same interests in mind as repository maintainers and linux distribution users.
People who write software for windows to be distributed for free on those sites fall into two camps. One camp is basically the same type of person that develops FOSS software, but they're more or less held in hostage by Microsoft Systematic Developer Neutering and it's ecosystem of programmer coddling that prevents them from crossing over to linux or bsd. The other camp would never release their code as FOSS and actually think it's neat to try and get a dime every time somebody accidentally installs antivirus system they didn't ask for with their actual program. Lets just say that the second camp and the download sites are actually irrelevant or starting to become irrelevant, since most people that would have been users through them use webapps, and even outside this microsoft is trying to monopolize the distribution of software that isn't windows but happens to run on windows (eg the app store).
So why doesn't windows have a package manager with a repository that lets you download and install software for free like nearly all linux distributions? It's because community maintained repositories only exist when the software to be downloaded is controlled by the community. Even if they did try to add this feature to windows, it really wouldn't feel the same or have the same benefits for the users.

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>Very few programs need regular updating.
Actually all of them do, majority of them just come with their own updaters thanks to windows lacking a centralized manager for so long (but also because it gives the program makers more control).

I AM the package manager

Yes you have the idea, but it's not a site. You generally either interact with it using the command line, or you have an "App Store"-style GUI program to interact with it. Also, I believe all of them cryptographically sign everything to ensure that you're getting the software you want. Practically no chance of viruses and whatnot.
The package manager doesn't just handle "software" though, it also handles all your system libraries for various things as well.
So let's say you're a Windows user and you want to download a browser. For that, you'd have to open your default one, look up the name of the thing you want, download a .exe installer, and run that. On Linux, you'd either look it up in the dedicated GUI program, or just run something like "apt install *package name*" at the command prompt, and it will install it for you.

This desu

>Chocolatey
Don't. Use scoop instead.

>>Very few programs need regular updating.
>Actually all of them do
No, they don't NEED updating and if you believe otherwise you're underage.
If a program works fine, leave it be.

Update the browsers and a couple others for security reasons, but that's pretty much it.

Yeah well the rest of us don't have spastic personal connections with out software and are thankful when someone does work for free in our favor.

Enjoy your CVEs!

It's garbage no one really needs and makes things even more complex for no reason

>trusting random people on the Internet for software updates
ayyyy lmao

>apt install photoshop

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is this a copypasta?

>answering a fairly specific question that doesn't get asked here that often
>is it copypasta

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>It's garbage no one really needs and makes things even more complex for no reason
Yeah, but having to hunt down every piece of software and avoid malware in the process is the superior alternative.

Only been posted once in the archives. So no.

>microshaft thinks linux nerds use linux bcuz of command lines and package managers
this people live in denial

>makes things even more complex

apt upgrade

There, all the applications in my system, including OS got updated to the latest stable versions without having to skip bundleware and stuff.
Phew that was complex!

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>latest stable versions
Not them but that's hardly true. Non-RR repos are full of outdated shit.

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Windows has working software though
On Linux:
>want to install something
>it's not in the repositories
>you're fucked - have fun inputing dozens of terminal commands to maybe get something to work

>it's not in the repositories
>fetch a .deb file
>or compile from source
>or add a custom ppa

l2computer

>mess up your install
>spend ages compiling
>trust some random fuck

Thank god for that. My programs just work and I don't want some stupid update to break them

>fetch a .deb file
good luck making it work on distros that don't use apt or aren't ubuntu or debian lmao

Generally make do everything for you, as long you have the right libs installed.
I would say that the whole order of install difficulty is:
Program on repo on linux > windows installer > Program zipped on windows > Program that needs to compile on linux >>>>>>>>>>>>> Program that needs to compile on windows

gui based package managers are the worst, but i think every os except windows has one

microsoft's compiler has way less settings than gcc and always works with defaults.

RR?

Yes.
But generally the sources have some sort of retarded make replacement that may or may not work, require you to download libraries and includes and put em on certain folders, sometimes you have to build the libraries before building the program with the libraries and the problem goes multiplying itself without control.

He literally thinks it’s complex because he has to type a fucking command
I hate the current year, all they want to do is interact with goofy pictures.

>2.27mb

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rolling release

>But generally the sources have some sort of retarded make replacement that may or may not work
gee I wonder why that is.

>Program that needs to compile on windows
Serious question: why would anyone download something to compile if binary is already available? What could one possibly gain (aside from headache of compiling it?)

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Windows still doesn't have many things.

For instance good font rendering. Linux nowadays manages that so much better for 1080p and below. I don't know what font does KDE Neon use with browsers by default but that shit with proper font rendering enabled looks sweet, even macOS can go fuck itself (that apparently is now even worse with non-retina monitors in mojave).

Windows can't even have a proper dark theme without downloading the latest build and using some tool you have to compile with visual studio and takes ages to enable a fucking feature (because otherwise it looks all fucking silly, a dark explorer that almost looks like it's windows 98 themed with a white titlebar, what is this bullshit)

Unbotnet

>Implying you read the code before compiling it
>Implying you can read code

it's dos-like not unix-like

>2018
>dos-like
Kek

if you can't compile your programs yourself, maybe you should stick with ubuntu/debian

>trusting random people on the Internet for software
...
Well, at least I'll give you that it's less worse if you are trusting the same random person/group for a software and its updates.

Wrong anyone can make a repository only the default is a walled garden

Multiple walled gardens. Nothankyou. It's the worst thing about Linex.

and it's always a retarded namefag.

Wow, what a mess. It throws useless verbose garbage at you for no reason whatsoever. Who designed that trash? Even gentoo shows only three new lines at max and that shit even compiles the programs for you.

Why reading code if you can verify via sig files that the code comes from the original author instead of adware ridden bundles from trash download sites?

>need some program on windows
>download .exe and install it
>this is too hard for linuxfags

Why are you guys so fucking retarded?

No it isn't dumbass. All distros have ways for you to add third party repos or apps. Arch has the Aur. Debian has user repos. Ubuntu has PPA. Opensuse has one click third party repo installs. Kill yourself wincuck.

> Have to manually update software
The absolute state of wincucks.

Nah, it's a walled garden. You just don't realise it.

You can't install software outside of what the creators want in a walled garden. You can install whatever you want on any linux distro. Dumb trip fag.

You have to fiddle to switch from one walled garden to another.

No you don't. Just stop

>If a program works fine, leave it be.
Oh so you're underaged, got it.

>compile from source
It never works, I load the shit in clion, click Run and it spams 50 errors. Good riddance.

>You can't install software outside of what the creators want in a walled garden.
You can sideload apps on android, mac, ios, and windows 10 - doesn't make them less of a walled garden sweetie.

>pacman -U package.tar.xz

Wasn't windows 10 supposed to have a package manager or am I mistaken?

>i load it in clion
What the fuck nigger, just run make.

>Windows still doesn't have per-application permissions

YFW every application you install can read your fetish porn.

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I don't know what is Make or Cmake or Gmake or bal bla bla I just want to compile like it's HelloWorld.cpp
What the hell is the problem giving me 50 .cpps and 50 .hs

Stop being retarded.

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HELP ME I WANT TO COMPILE STUFF

what is .appx hurr

>calling someone who advises not needlessly upgrading underage

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Repos just mean another middleman that I have to trust. I'd rather get the program from the dev directly.
Can you even revert to an older version if something fucks up?
Also no portable software or properly sandboxed software. Fuck that tbqh.

It's not too hard, it's simply inefficient.

They literally do.
But not with these win32 apps majority of people use.

>installer is bundled with all dependencies
>never have to spend 10 minutes researching what the hell 022qt_stdlib_xenialbiometric is part of or some shit.

Package managers like sorcery download directly from upstream, so there is effectively no middleman.
Although what you're saying makes sense, everything is usually open and readable to anybody, so if there are indeed some issues, someone will usually point them out quickly.

Any sane package manager will perform automatic dependency resolution anyway, it's literally a non-issue.

>need some program on linux
>install package via package manager
>this is too hard for winfags

and in case there's no package for your distribution:
>need some program on linux
>download source tarball
>untar, cd into src directory, type "make && sudo make install"
>this confuses and enrages the wintard
compiling and installing from source is always an option, it's just horribly broken and awful (you would have to keep track of dependencies manually, update manually etc)

Not like sorcery, there are maintainers to the packages.

apt doesn't do it

I thought software gets compiled by 3rd parties.
On Winblows for example I can check that firefox.exe is signed by Mozilla. Can you do the same on Linux?

making it easy to compulsively update software can be a problem
there's a reason package managers are known for breaking everything
>using outdated software
sometimes updates aren't essential and have nothing to do with software vulnerabilities

Sweeeeet honeypot, yes yes.

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Yes it does. Slackware is the only ("major") distro that has a package manager that doesn't.

tl;dr, you want something, you use a command to install it rather than looking across the internet.

you need firefox? apt install firefox - thats it, your done. you need to update forefox? apt upgrade firefox... tada! everything on linux is dont like this for the most part... even libraries that software needs. Apt will automatically handle dependencies (no more errors telling you to download some visual studio dot net redistributable or some shit).

there are also gui's that wrap package managers, but desu the command line is so easy that its quicker to use it than wait for the gui to finish searching and loading all the form elements