Why is the webm size limit still just 3MiB? At the very least, why doesn't Jow Forums allow vp9 webms?

Why is the webm size limit still just 3MiB? At the very least, why doesn't Jow Forums allow vp9 webms?

Take this, for example:
$ mediainfo out.webm
[...]
File size : 3.04 MiB
[...]
Video
ID : 1
Format : VP8
Codec ID : V_VP8
[...]
Stream size : 2.86 MiB (94%)
I can't post this webm I made because it's 0.04MiB over limit. But if you look at the video stream size itself, it's only 2.86MiB - the webm container itself has ~0.18MiB of overhead. 2.86MiB of VP8 isn't enough bitrate to allow quality encodes.
There's no reason not to allow VP9 - it allows for smaller filesizes at higher quality, thus reducing server load and bandwidth costs. All the other imageboards allow it, and will soon support AV1. Even Youtube serves you VP9 video.

Attached: WebM_logo.svg.png (554x142, 19K)

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nyaa.si/view/909401
my.mixtape.moe/bexxlw.mkv
twitter.com/AnonBabble

This is an image board, not a video hosting site. If you want to post high quality videos, upscale to 4k and post on Youtube.

>an imageboard that doesn't evolve and doesn't even support any image formats besides png and jpeg
Your argument fails on the VP9 side: enabling VP9 webms at the same filesize limit wouldn't change a thing.

>>Why is the webm size limit still just 3MiB?
A number of reasons, the first of which is that Jow Forums is an imageboard first and foremost. If you wanna share lengthy video, upload it elsewhere and link

Another reason people tend to overlook is the overhead involved.
And I'm not talking about just the server space, I'm talking about the legal and administrative overhead.
If you give anyone on this website any degree of slack they will violate copyright law in a flash through video, and I shouldn't have to explain why that would be a bad thing for the health of the website in the long-run.
Keeping lengthier videos on third-party sites makes it a lot easier to deal with.

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Valid reasons for restricting the filesize and runtime, but not for only supporting deprecated codecs. And you can already post literally an entire film in a short runtime, webm related.

Attached: End_of_Evangelion-whole.webm (1920x1080, 2.94M)

Hoping they'll add AV1 support in the next years

But YouTube won't let me make an account because I don't have a phone.

Serves you right, luddite.

Just host the video anywhere else ... mixtape.moe is fine

I want to bully Jow Forums's bandwidth and not mixtape man's.

it's good enough for short video clips, miles ahead of gif for this job

Attached: b.webm (1920x800, 2.94M)

av1 webm when

Videos are also images, you retarded incels.

what the fuck

>REMUX
hello autism, my old friend

?
don't have a cap, why not?

How is this only 3mb?

please allow audio

It's only 22 seconds, dude.

no problems, it was taken from a high quality and high resolution clip and compressed with vp8 while down scaling the resolution down a bit

the reason why you see really bad results with most vp8 .webms is because the source material they were made from was already in small resolution and compressed so it will just become worse after additional compression by vp8

3mb for 20 seconds of video with this resolution is not a miracle actually

the source was high quality, and even denoised, but it wasn't scaled down, the source was 1920x800 with black bars padding it to 1080, most bluray movies are (that's right, most of your 1080p blurays are actually 800p)
the main reason it's not hard to compress this clip is a combination of low movement and large GOP

>the reason why you see really bad results with most vp8 .webms is because the source material they were made from was already in small resolution and compressed
Perhaps here on Jow Forums, where most people know a thing or two about how to encode webms. On other boards people just have no clue how to make them. They search "mp4 to webm converter" and use some shitty online converter to make them.

fucking how?

Attached: 1519086025991.webm (1000x562, 2.91M)

knowing what works with what kinds of video helps a lot, good video encoding is by no means a 'one-click' operation

Attached: b.webm (1280x720, 2.89M)

>>If you give anyone on this website any degree of slack they will violate copyright law in a flash through video, and I shouldn't have to explain why that would be a bad thing for the health of the website in the long-run.
Copyright is being ROUTINELY violated and no one ever gave a fuck about it. If anyone cared about copyright then I guess even image posting would have to be removed, simply because someone MAY violate it.
So get real, copyright violation argument doesn't mean it can be attributed to lengthier videos or videos as that.

Yes and you can do a lot wrong when encoding webms.

Attached: output.webm (1920x800, 2.94M)

Why the hell are all webms placed on is3 and why is the download speed so abysmal?

magic

Attached: b.webm (768x576, 2.99M)

make a webm within 3mb in better quality than this [ReinForce] Masou Gakuen HxH - 02 (BDRip 1920x1080 x264 FLAC)

BOOOOOBIES

Ask Hiroshima Nagasaki to allow VP9 WEBMs to save more space and get better quality encodes

could you put up just that clip to mixtape? it would take too long for me to download ~3G
ffmpeg -ss 00:00.000 -i source.mkv -t 00:00.000 -map 0:v:0 -c copy output.mkv

nyaa.si/view/909401

episode 2

untick everything else

your download should finish in 10 minutes

it's 3G, it'd take me about an hour to download at best
less if i knew where to cut and can stream-download just that section

Here's a trick. To have both fast seeks and end timestamp input add -copyts as an output option. Then instead of -t use -to and enter end timestamp. That way there's no need to calculate the duration. The bad thing is that it will preserve the timestamps, which if you decide to transcode to webm with the same command won't be uploadeable to 4chin.

What benefit does it offer over using both -ss and -to as input options?

-to doesn't work as an input option. It defaults to -t.

the technology just isn't there yet

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>00:00.000
is this minutes:seconds:milliseconds?

yes
if you click on the time in mpv, it will give you a timestamp in this format

didn't work

it cuts half of the video into half with
ffmpeg -ss 00:13.363 -i source.mkv -t 00:14.858 -map 0:v:0 -c copy output.mkv

>ffmpeg -ss 51:30 -to 51:40 -i test.mkv -c:v libvpx -b:v 2M -qmax 50 -an output.webm
?

Attached: output.webm (720x548, 2.39M)

i already know the length of (00:00:36.580), which is what you'd put as "-t", i just need to know where it begins

starts 00:13:42.363
ends 00:14:20.858

ffmpeg -ss 13:42.363 -i source.mkv -t 14:20.858 -map 0:v:0 -c copy output.mkv didn't work

3mb vp8 is more than enough. I would love vp9 support but I seriously doubt hiro gives enough of a fuck about this site to introduce support for something new. If anythign I'd rather just wait and get eventual AV1 support.

use -to before -i instead of -t
times before -i are relative to the input, after -i are relative to the output
in other words,
ffmpeg -ss 13:42.363 -to 14:20.858 -i source.mkv -map 0:v:0 -c copy output.mkv

my.mixtape.moe/bexxlw.mkv

ok then it seems they did something schemy there
it wasn't like that at all several years ago

-to never used to work for me, either
that's cool if it does now, though

Pretty good imo, what settings are you using

eh, that one skipped a few too many frames
there's too much going on for it to look 'good' at high resolution

Attached: a.webm (640x576, 2.83M)

video is just moving images

after vp9 became popular I waited for long time for it to be available here, but I just stopped caring after a while. If you have any contact that gookmoot will actually read or anyone that admins this pile of shit, we can try spamming it with "enable VP9 support!!111"

Maybe faster and image heavy boards retain their webm restrictions to make webm threads less popular. Image size limit is 4MB while max webm size is 3MB for everything, except /b/, where it's 2 and 2mb. Audio is allowed on /wsg/, why not /a/ or /v/?

Attached: play frame by frame kirby.webm (512x470, 2.77M)

it's fine, there's already enough people hitting the 3M limit when they don't need to be

Attached: a.webm (768x576, 970K)

>av1
Enjoy your 1fps

i'd be pretty happy if i can get it encoding that fast
apparently they're hoping for 10x slower than hevc, that puts it well below 1fps from my testing with x265

>There's no reason not to allow VP9
Mook doesn't bother to make any changes whatsoever. Someone else would have to be in charge to get any kind of upgrade.

because hiro is not made of gold

While we're here can we talk about why Jow Forums's image hosting is so fucking slow and trash?

but it wouldn't cost him anything.

I second him, what settings are you using?

ffmpeg -i /tmp/ll.mkv -vf scale=640:576,sab -aspect 16:9 -map 0:v:0 -c:v libvpx -pix_fmt yuv420p -lag-in-frames 0 -deadline good -cpu-used 0 -keyint_min 48 -slices 1 -static-thresh 10 -g 7200 -threads 4 -qmin 10 -qmax 35 -fs 3M -y /tmp/a.webm
the 'll.mkv' is the output of vapoursynth denoising/debanding, which probably didn't do anything in this case, being a clean, high quality source, which was compressed to all hell by the end

Interesting. I never saw someone just using qmin/qmax as quality setting.
But isn't -lag-in-frames an alternate reference frame option and useless for single pass encoding?

Hiro is a worthless LAZY cunt, that's why.

Why is there VP8 then dumbass?

>If you give anyone on this website any degree of slack they will violate copyright law in a flash through video, and I shouldn't have to explain why that would be a bad thing for the health of the website in the long-run.
Moron, most memes do not comply to copyright, that's why EU Article 13 is such a big problem, Jow Forums would have to implement filters to inspect images being posted, your images aren't any more safe than VP9 videos.

Those boomers that still use webm.

Why do we need more than 3MB?

Attached: CRASH OVERRIDE.webm (1272x544, 1.17M)

>bloating your webm

Attached: Reinkin San-Kyuu Magical? Pokaan E01: The First Spell is an Easy Trap - The Afternoon Spell is a Red (750x562, 280K)

ls /usr/share/ffmpeg
ffmpeg -c:v libvpx -vpre 720p
Thank me later.

Yours is too compressed. Visible huge blocks

test

That's the joke.

dd if=infile.webm of=outfile.webm bs=3M count=1
Th4nk m3 l8r

-vf scale=-1:720 #preserves aspect ratio
-vf scale=1024:-1 #same deal vice versa

Hiro is reducing server costs by using slow ass servers.

There's no grain, it's a digital source. If there were grain, it wouldn't compress at all.

post on "/wsg/webms for other boards" and post a >>>link
>more bigger files
>+ sound

>Why is the webm size limit still just 3MiB? At the very least, why doesn't Jow Forums allow vp9 webms?
Because it's a gook owning the website.

Thank you user, but why I keep getting this "Error: Your image contains an embedded file." when I change the resolution from 640:576 to anything, is that normal?

Attached: test2.webm (640x576, 2.28M)

How do you post on here if you don't have a phone?

nevermind, I removed the "-g" and it works now.

Attached: out.webm (854x576, 2.94M)

Because your video has a shitton of movement, which isn't easy to compress, especially with a lot of small details flying around. While the over video has not so much movement and the scenery isn't changing that drastically, which makes it easier to compress.

whoever is in charge of making actual changes on Jow Forums should add vp9 support and reduce the file size limit to 2mb. like this we might actually get faggots to optimize their shit

I'm fine with the limitations.

I would love to see an option to show the metadata when you post a webm. Something similar to what is done on the photography board with the EXIF data.

Could as well add h264 like the other social media. The only reason the file limit is so small is because Hiro is a stingy Jew; don't believe his lies about community or other bullshit

Uh, a fucking computer

>add h264 like the other social media
>other social media
>implying
Fuck off. We don't need more low-quality content ripped from other shitty websites.

>I'm fine with the limitations
Yes user, it's so much fun to shrink beautiful, intense full HD scenes into puny 576p ones. VP9 is a big improvement, where everybody wins.
Even fucking Futaba supports VP9 and audio.

What's a computer?

Attached: What's a computer hero still_0.jpg (800x334, 42K)

Because it restricts the amount of webm porn posted. Life for example imagine if this had a much bigger filesize.(originally 25MB)

Attached: m7.webm (1920x1080, 217K)

Jow Forums isn't social media. Just because you waltz in on your phone and treat Jow Forums like just another app doesn't make it so.

Because this chan is a shit. Go to 8 chan, 2 chan or whatever.

This.
It's way better than vp8 and it's not slow as vp9.

>no phone

LOL hipsters are getting even more crazy. Now they're living like they're in the 19th century

What is it like not having a phone and why you chose not to have one ?

>you're a luddite/hipster if you refuse carry around and use an insecure spying device
Wrong, you consumerist twerps. Just a couple months ago, US carriers were found to be selling realtime customer location data. That's just the carriers, which can track you from point A to B: now add the locked-down hardware such as the baseband running its own privileged OS that can read disk and memory contents, the software (literally no phones run without proprietary drivers and firmware even if you use LineageOS), and stuff like the IMEI which is used to uniquely identify you as the phone transmits this number at all times to anyone listening, etc, etc. Literally unusable botnet.

what is it if not social media