/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Not just file transferring, but also extensive file modification. Loading altering saving closing, on repeat, often.

>Canadians in charge of Intellect

Nvidia announced the 1180 series will be shown at gamescom in Germany aug 30

Just Google it

I read that the diff between an SSD using data and an SSD using m2 is 10 seconds boot time for certain games, 550mbs vs 6gbs transfer roughly

Why do m2 ssds look so flimsy and old-school though

>Nvidia announced the 1180 series will be shown at gamescom in Germany aug 30
A) they haven't done anything of by he sort, although an announcement at Gamescom looks likely
B) by what fucking logic is an 80ti release imminent?
>user in charge of fake news
Keep up the good work

Malwarebytes anti malware - no explanation needed
Msi afterburner - for GPU overclocking
HardwareInfo (HwInfo) - for checking system temps, load etc
F.lux - blue light filter
Steam - for gaemu

Based and redpilled

When is the best time to buy a 1080ti?

Now? 1180 announcement? 1180 release day?

I don't need it now, but I'm worried that after they release the 1180, 1180s will all be sold out immediately, and then people who didn't get the 1180 will buy a 1080ti and it'll go up in price again from increased demand.

>f.lux

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SIV master race.
Also doesn't Win10 have Flux built in now? Or is it not as good somehow?

*80Ti prices tend to tank like fuck more than anything when the next gen comes. Look at how 980Ti prices dropped, even though an overclocked 980Ti was about as good as an overclocked 1070.

hows my 1440p 60hz gayming build? i'm aiming for something that i can play most games on high with 60fps and watch porn. i'm guessing the i5 8600k is probably more cost effective than an i7 and i can oc if need be. how does it compare to the ryzen cpu's? i'm not loyal to either and won't mind swapping it out if i can save a few bucks but get relatively the same performance.

i will probably look for sales on parts and try to get them on the cheap and build it over time. want to make something that i'm proud to put on display in my place and tinker with, adding fans and rgb shit while not completely blowing the bank.

>inb4 straya prices
yeah its fucked

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why is pc building such serious business

probably the same reason car modding is.

both are highly modifiable hobbies, can be expensive depending on how much you push, have a club mentality (car clubs are a thing) and you get a lot of use out of them. pc's you use all the time, and cars you drive around or look at them/take them to shows.

I guess the only difference might be that cars retain their value and can even go up if they are properly maintained. a pc is electronics and thus doesn't.

Is the h100i v2 a meme? I keep hearing it breaks down quite often, I want something to help push a heavy OC on a i7 8700k.

do i sell my AIO for a heatsink? had it for 3 years, i could sell it to some chump.

>Anime
Ah, I see you love to suck cocks for free.

Go for a 8700 (non K) imo mate. I've owned a 8600 before. That will allow you to drop down to a cheaper mobo too which offsets the cost of the higher cpu.

My opinion, don't waste your money on an 8600k/Z370. Either go high end and get an 8700/8700k, or save your money and get much the muchness with better multitasking with a 2600/2600X and B450. At 1440p resolution you'll have a GPU bottleneck anyway, so the latency advantage of Coffeelake probably won't be an advantage anyway if you didn't want to step up to the i7.
>inb4 straya prices
Life is suffering. Memories of PC building in 2011 when our dollar was a lot better are far too distant.

Is it delidded? If not you won't see much of a temp difference between a high end air cooler and even a 360mm AIO, as the TIM is the conductive bottleneck. Also, an NH D14/15 or Darkrock Pro 3/4 will be more than enough for a 5+ghz 8700k

It's not delidded, but I was considering doing that but it looks like the delid on the i7 8700k only gives you like 3-4c lower temps and that isn't worth the warranty void imo, unless I'm retarded and the temp gradient is way higher

2600(x) + b450 Tomahawk + 3000mhz+ ram is the new budget build right?

MSI FINALLY fixed biggest issue with AM4 and we have a motherboard that does not cost 180-200+ dollars.

>It's not delidded, but I was considering doing that but it looks like the delid on the i7 8700k only gives you like 3-4c
Dunno what source you're going by, but delidding an 8700k typically saves 10-20°C

ditch the m.2 and just get a 1tb 860

Basically yeah. Good to see MSI finally coming up with the goods with a well priced board that doesn't look like ass. Not much point in any of the i5s unless Intel sharpens the price on the 8400.

That's some expensive shit. Your PSU costs more than your 500Gb SSD.
An 8700 or 2600X would handle more porn tabs at once. Spending that much money only 6 threads is simply stupid.
You could get a cheaper cooler and motherboard by getting a 2600X or 8700 non-k, as well.

You don't do anything that makes use of the NVMeme so just drop it. Use the money to increase the 860/MX500 to 1TB instead.

Yeah.

>h100i
It's fucking awful.
Not only does it not work well with its thin ass radiator and shitty fans, but yes they either break down or the liquid plastifies because someone at CoolerMaster is retarded and put liquid which plastifies when heated in a fucking radiator.

No, get mATX like b450m pro4 or the Mortar.
What's the point of ATX with less than like 48 PCIe lanes, other than unavailability? But at that low price range, it's the same VRMs and shit whether it's mATX or ATX so you go ATX.

Because tests show lowest VRM temps with b450 tomahawk. Unless you can show otherwise with these mATX/ITX boards then I would recommend the tomahawk.

Looks like the Tomahawk and Mortar have nearly the same VRM to me. At least for VCore. Tomahawk's SoC might be a bit better.
Mortar is lacking heatsink on SoC, but that's fixable for like $6 with a pack of heatsinks with adhesive thermal pads and it's a cheaper board.

Some literally tested EVERY B450 board and Tomahawk had the lowest VRM temps? Not the B450 Carbon ???

youtube.com/watch?v=EqQcgwz1hYA
dno if theres any tests with carbon yet

idk if you've ever modified a car but there is a lot more to mess up with a car vs a computer.

>test by the guy who can't ever do a consistent testing methodology
>tons of boards not tested. Literally just THREE BOARDS
>Tomahawk is the best!
Yeah, no.

Also, lowest VRM temp != best board.
Best board is more to do with reliability, stability, and how good the BIOS is, namely in the features the BIOS supports.
ASUS and ASRock tend to have the best BIOS. MSI's are okay.

Nice that it has USB-C, though. Was odd how many 300 series boards lacked that.
And the new BIOS feature is great.
MSI seems to have upgraded their B450 boards over B350 more than anyone else has, but they had some of the worst 300 series boards so they better have.
And I do like their updated Mortar board. It has Displayport for an APU. It has SPDIF, I think it is. Lots of USB. Also has USB-C. A 3 phase on the SoC would have been nicer on it, but eh.

The Tomahawk doesn't seem bad at all, but I just don't get why you wouldn't get mATX. You save $10 or more on the board, and at least $20 on the case, and you're never going to use all the PCIe slots of ATX.
But I also don't like mATX boards that don't have x1 as the first slot.

Actually wait. It looks like the Mortar really is a 4+3. I didn't see the 7th phase up near the 8 pin.
And is has 2x m2.
And you have sata connectors in both orientation for autists the want one way or hte other.
Looks like a damn good board and VRM should be around the same as the Tomahawk.
Afaik, with MSI's branding the Mortar is basically supposed to be equal to the Tomahawk, just smaller.

im not the user you were replying to i was just giving sauce lol. I'm just pleased cause i bought the tomahawk before any reviews and was kinda regretting not getting the carbon. mortar not available for me yet

pcpartpicker.com/list/ZxKn8Y

I think I'm about finished. It goes against a lot of pcbg but it should work pretty well for what I want to so with it.

8700, B360 mATX, 4x4gb ddr4-2666, big SSD, MSI 1070ti, and a snazzy mATX case. All hooked to a curved 1440p monitor.

>curved 1440p monitor

stopped reading there

But the sentence finished there

It seems perfectly fine even for the 2700X as long as you have airflow over the VRMs.

Like I said, not a bad board at all. I just don't get why people buy ATX in this budget range.
As you can see, the ASRock B450 K4 is roughly equivalent with it. Same VRM there as the $80 B450M Pro4 has. So why pay $30 more?

Despite the soddy test data and his tests always being questionally, it still basically confirms that any board is fine for a 2600X even in a passive airflow setting, like I've said many times lately. Any would be fine with a 2700X with airflow over the VRMs, like I've also said many times.
Except: don't fucking buy Gigabyte boards or anything. Like I've also said like 5 times every thread for weeks.

To not buy Gigabyte boards and crappy low model cards should probably be in the OP at this point.

Maybe he reads backwards, like in amine?

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depends on your knowledge and how far you want to take it.

want to do something simple like change over your muffler and remove the cat to help your engine breathe? not much to mess up there. want to switch out your stock cpu or gpu cooler for liquid cooling? again, not much to stuff up.

taking your car or bike and getting it dyno'd/tuned is similar to overclocking and fucking with volts/getting temps on your pc to get them where you want them.

both pc's and cars have things for enthusiasts or the average joe alike. you want a car that'll get you from a to b vs a project car, or a pc that'll let you stream stuff and browse the web vs something you can graphic design/render or game? it's all there

Maybe you should wait for the 9th gen release. The new i7s might have 6c/12t and it should lower the prices of coffee lake by a bit

Kaby Lake is still expensive, I don't think you're right on that one.

Is a Ryzen 1700 enough to recieve and encode 4K60fps to broadcast on youtube? It WILL recieve a 4k60fps source from a different computer, the Ryzen need to only handle running Windows 10 and OBS.

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how important is b-die ram for intel

should i just get the cheapest 3000/3200 or pay $40 more for the b-die meme?

Dunno
obsproject.com/forum/threads/encoder-overloading-with-4k-any-bitrate.79009/
Google.
It's going to depend on your settings.
They do make a mATX X399 board and 1950X have been going on sale for fairly cheap.
It'll be more expensive than a dedicated encoder like that picture, but better quality encoding.

You'd need to ask on OBS forums what encoding quality you can expect with 4k@60fps on a 1700 as a dedicated encoder.

how good would a phenom ii be these days? Was gifted one and considering using it as a nas. Power usage is a little concerning though

b-die meme only works for poozen

i9 9900k+1180 or Threadripper 2 WHEN??

Just want to upgrade already ;_;

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No, not every board but until people actually test the remaining boards Tomahawk is the safe option to recommend.

I personally modded my GPU and motherboard VRMs with extra heatsinks and fans after AIO blocked top exhaust - does not mean I would recommend that route to others if there is a motherboard out there that can do it already.

You wont even buy a 4k/144hz monitor so why do you care?

>implying I won't

Is there any performance difference between 4x4gb RAM and 2x8gb RAM?
Currently have 2x4gb and wanted to upgrade.

... pro4 and Tomahawk are also safe to recommend as they have virtually identical VRMs to those two boards that performed well there.

You will have trouble clocking 4x DIMMs as high. So the 2 DIMMs will perform better from overclocking them higher than you can overclock 4.

It's minor on an 8700k, but if you're already spending the most on the best gaming chip you should get the best RAM as well.
A 8700k with 3200 CL16 RAM is generally going to be fast enough that it will almost never bottleneck a 1080Ti at 1080p, just like a 2700X with B-die doesn't.
You'll only really see a difference at 720p, which might be indicative of future performance with more CPU demanding games and/or better GPUs. Or it might not.

Power efficiency would indeed be bad. Those were 80-140W TDP chips. The upcoming Zen Athlons would likely be good for NAS.

what motherboard should I pick? pcpartpicker.com/list/3jYfFt
Is the videocard/price okay? I have wiggle room

thanks lads

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Are the PSUs that come packed in with cases worse than Bronze rated PSUs? Would I always be better off buying an empty case and a PSU separately than a case with a PSU in it, that isn't bronze/silver/gold?

How is the R9 290 Vapor-X for 1440p?
I have a Ryzen 1600X, looking at the Nixeus EDG27.
Should I be expecting to lower graphic settings to stay in FreeSync range?

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How long do cpu coolers last? Been thinking about buying a case that will last multiple builds 5+ years from now.

au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qv7pmq
Rate this build and inform me about any noteworthy flaws about this. I'm on a budget ,so I can't go buying stuipidly expensive parts. Only going for about a mid-range gaming PC.
Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor
ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory
Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card
Phanteks - Eclipse P300 Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Arctic Silver - Arctic Alumina Premium Ceramic Polysynthetic 1.75g Thermal Paste
TP-Link - TL-WN881ND PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter
3x Cougar - Dual-X 64.4 CFM 120mm Fan

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Getting the Enthoo Pro M Case. However on NewEgg, it shows two different options. One for the regular one at 99$
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-854-042

And the SE for 94$ because it's on sale
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-854-060

Which one should I get?

Just buy it already

still saving

I can get either a 1080 or vega64 for the same price. Which one should i get and is it true that undervolted overclocked 64 gets close to stock 1080ti ?

idiot, get the 1080

for 1440p 60hz go for 1070ti/1080
for 1440p 144hz go for 1080ti
that is if you want max performance

Dunno about coolers but my hyper 212 is 3 years old and doing great, and my HAF 912 (modded) looks brand new even though it's 5 years old lol

>i5
ryzen 5 is better in every single way

WD is overpriced shit

t. Seagate shill

Is getting a G-sync monitor worth it? Anyone here use one? I'm not sure if I should pay extra for Gsync at 144hz. My usual frames are 100-120fps

I get 80-100 fps on my 1070ti at 1440p

get 1440p 144hz gsync monitors only, the pg279q is an excellent choice, some might say the ONLY choice you can make.

what gaym? pubg chugs like a cunt on max settings at 1440p

Exactly my point. You wouldn't get that at 1060/1070 levels. 144hz needs extra power though, you won't get the same fps there

Air coolers? Indefinitely. Just keep them dusted and replace the thermal paste every couple years.
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/QH3snH
Quite like the P300. It doesn't look or feel cheap, but it's good value.
Both are a waste of money. Either the 1070ti if you want fuss-free out the box performance, or the Vega 56 if you enjoy tweaking with undervolting and overclocking. The 64 doesn't have a snow flake's chance of getting close to a 1080ti in the real world.
If you can hold a solid 100+ frames, I don't really think it's worth it.

>144hz needs extra power
What? You dont get more fps on a 60hz then a 144hz panel.
Almost every new title on high settings

2400g or a used Intel i5 and a new GTX 1050 ti?

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So lads, I might have the opportunity to grab a Predator x34 at 120Hz instead of the 100Hz model for $1200AUD
Should I go for it when I grab either a 1080Ti or have it ready when the newer cards drop?

>What? You dont get more fps on a 60hz then a 144hz panel.
What exactly do you think the "hz" stands for on a panel?

Is it normal for a PSU to sound like this?

my.mixtape.moe/ietnbt.m4a

Bear in mind, I'm holding my phone right next to it, and it's not that loud in general usage.

my rig can barely reach 100+ on 1080p I think 1440p will bump me down to 60 fps levels

then be like me and wait, get the 4k hdr monitor from Asus and an 1180ti

When exactly do you think the 1180ti is going to get a release?

2019

Right now I have an i7 4790, I was thinking about switching to ryzen but that would make me buy another motherboard and memory.
Is it worthy?

Towards the end of most likely.
Is your 4790 bottlenecking your current system? If not, keep on trucking.

Elaborate

laffed

WHat is the best mATX case?

Huh, not really I think. I have 16gb of ram and a GTX 750ti. I used to have a GTX 970 but it died so I'm using the 750 until I get money for a new GPU.

It's literally how many frames per second the panel can display.

I doubt it is either. 4790 is still a perfectly capable CPU.

Corsair 280x, clean as fuck with great airflow.

With my gtx1080 and i5-6600k I get near constant 150FPS, but my display is over 8 years old (still no dead pixels amazingly).
Should I buy some gaymen 144hz g-sync monitor to finally see that performance or wait and gather money for end of next year to see if AMD CPUs actually become good and not a meme and replace mobo+CPU+RAM?