Lightscribe is suspicious technology

Bullshit.
It just wasn't popular because it was slow as fuck and the media was a lot more expensive. People didn't buy it so they discontinued the whole thing.

>But there is no confirmation if this is actually possible.

Same with religion.

do you really don't recognise?

No

newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-researchers-develop-new-technique-243553

>February 19, 2013

>"Traditional methods for the fabrication of micro-supercapacitors involve labor-intensive lithographic techniques that have proven difficult for building cost-effective devices, thus limiting their commercial application," El-Kady said. "Instead, we used a consumer-grade LightScribe DVD burner to produce graphene micro-supercapacitors over large areas at a fraction of the cost of traditional devices. Using this technique, we have been able to produce more than 100 micro-supercapacitors on a single disc in less than 30 minutes, using inexpensive materials."

The inherent precision of the read/write head is insanely high, so high that it makes modern printers look like a joke. HP probably killed it off before anyone put two and two together. They'll be holding on to their patents until Uncle Sam wants to do something with it.

Uncle sam probably already is using it.

Bu-but muh capitalism! It's what's best for the people! My worldview is shaken bros. ;_;

So what exactly is preventing this from being replicated on a larger scale?

Patents of hp and their unwillingness to get this into people's hands without a ginormous cost

Wasn't Lightscribe media expensive as fuck?

When do the patents expire?

nope if 10-15% increase compared regular media price is not considered as "expensive as fuck"

I personally think its worth it if you want nice labels on discs

decades from now

Patents are only 20 years, on account of Disney doesn't care about them

looks like the death star

was it killed by labelflash?
belightsoft.com/products/resources/lightscribe-vs-labelflash

Probably because no one normal burns a ton CDs anymore. And if they do, they dont spend time making a fancy labels. Its neat, but not really worth doing.

I have a lightscribe drive, never used the feature. I'm kinda betting that it was partly killed because the feature is mostly interesting for amateur bootleggers

>burn one OS DVD every few years
>not worth it

I could be wrong but isn't the main technology in the discs and not the drive? I can imagine a disc being manufactured that would work with a non-'lightscribe' drive.

Yes, and I think it's the same for labelflash. Nowadays, there are a lot of available DVDs and CDs out there that have a "paper-ish" labelside surface (I remember that I once had an entire cylinder of Sony branded ones) and some high end printers have a special CD printing tray. I'm assuming that this is what killed both technologies.

yes but how do you explain cd label inkjet printers are still on sale by using the same argument?

Inkjet printing is trivial and there is no "special technology". All you need is an inkjet printer with a special tray and a disc with a printable surface. Adding that tray is pretty trivial if you're adding it in a high-end printer and there is still a small and niche demand for it.

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>have lightscribe bd-r drive
>never use the feature once in nearly 10 years
Just didn't feel like worth the hassle when felt tip marker works just as well.
I'm more concerned if pic related is worth it, having to pay extra to play my legally purchased media pissed me off to no end, but I'm fucking tired of using other workarounds too.

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> Adding that tray is pretty trivial if you're adding it in a high-end printer
All my cheap-ass inkjets had them.

Look at it from a normie perspective. In comparison to LightScribe, and inkjet label printer is faster, cheaper and in color.

Too bad that will break any CD/DVD/BluRay within years.
Feels bad, man.

wasnt clone cd closed down and its developer thrown in jail for allowing copying of CD:s and DVD:s?

>break
you're a retard, these aren't stickers
It's the disc themselves that have that surface

>nice labels
>all discs are beige only

not necessarily beige but they are monochrome

No need to be rude, xir.
Thanks for clarifying.

so, what are you getting at?

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TRADE SECRET IS CAPITALISM
EVERYTHING ELSE SOCIALISM
IS LIGHTSCRIBE PATENTED OR IS IT TRADE SECRET LIKE THE COCA COLA RECIPE

I thought trade secrets and patents is socialism?
Isn't the government protecting the interest of the citizens who own the patent/copyright?

Wouldn't real capitalism allow anyone to produce anything and not restrict production of such things?

No, that would be nationalism.

How is it nationalism?
Unless they're restricting people from other nations from copying things.
But then how are the chinks allowed to do it?

It is all very shady. NEC starts to act all weird by 2009 with its software policies.

At the same time NEC decides to stop developing LabelFlash further. Last LabelFlash driver ever made came in 2009. Labelflash supporting physical optical drives were stopped from manufacture by 2010.

Labelflash media are unavailable for buying since 2011.

What are they hiding from the users? It is supposed you can use LabelFlash drive to burn a PCB on it with your drive laser and then use UV light to create this PCB layout on a PCB board, thus you can make complex electronics right at your home with ridiculously low price.

But there is no confirmation if this is actually possible.

Official say about stopping the LabelFlash was "it hurts the sales of inkjet printers which print pictures on top of CDs/DVDs"
NEC of course makes those printers too so it was kind of acceptable answer.

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neck yourself commie.

So what do we do?
Try and acquire these disks?
Can they be used by any dvd/cd reader?

Is the software necessary?

So it's the reader/burner that is the important part?

>It is supposed you can use Lightscribe drive to burn a PCB on it with your drive laser and then use UV light to create this PCB layout on a PCB board
Wait can this actually be used to quickly make PCBs? I fucking hate the stupid toner transfer way of doing it, If Lightscribe can be used to do this then I'm assuming you could take the same tech and build a kind of CNC machine? If this is possible then I want it, it would make manufacturing simple PCBs much faster.
So hypothetically, you could pop a CD shaped blank PCB into a Lightscribe driver, and print directly onto the PCB?
Limited to round PCBs with holes in them, but you could probably be much more precise than the toner transfer method and get smaller traces, so you could make more compact boards and cut several smaller square boards out of the CD.

you can still buy new old stock burners and discs. the drives aren't exactly "rare."

whatever the fuck OP is talking about doesn't need HP to do it for us. If people wanted to do it, we'd have hacked firmwares and all that crap right now

So is it confirmed that the Jews tried to kept hidden this secret for building spaceships?

>But there is no confirmation if this is actually possible.
It's not.

At least i don't need to search for sharpies to label the disk i guess

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So that is why china doesn't give a damn about IP but the US does. China is truly capitalist, the US is socialist, folks!

Why not? What does it actually use to print? I'm assuming a laser of some kind onto specialized disks?
If that laser could also burn through the photoresist on a pre-prepared PCB blank then it could greatly simplify the frustrating part of DIY PCB manufacture.
You might need a resistant layer specially designed for this kind of laser that is different from the photo resist we currently use, but if someone could figure it out then there would be CD shaped PCBs and widely available "laser resist" within a couple of months.

there are at least 5 different colors I have seen on such discs, but yes the disc itself is colored in one color and the burned text or image is black/shades of grey on top of this background color, no other possibilities

this

>mfw i have a fully functioning lightscribe dvd burner in storage

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yes it is the same laser user for burning data on cd:s, this time it only burns pictures and text when you flip the cd so you are using laser to shoot at the non-data side of the disc

normal cd burner cant be adopted to this however, it must be sligjtly modified laser diode and the discs have a special coating too which changees color according to how much laser light it absorbs in a certain wavelength

this is all chemistry + physics in the end

you need the media too and those are getting rare to find, need to find old stocks

Capitalism cannot exist without a State to enforce contract laws and patents. Patents exist so that a company or person that invents something makes a profit on it. Look at medicine. You're able to get generic antibiotics from Publix for free. How would a company that invented that particular antibiotic make a profit if there were companies/businesses that gave it away for free.

So the only thing preventing this from being a possibility is having CD shaped PCBs and a resistant layer that can be damaged enough by that laser to be washed away.
Anyone know what kind of laser it is? I haven't been able to find anything about whether or not it would work with existing photo resist chemicals.
The other problem is that Lightscribe disks have a marker in the center of them that shows the rotational position of the disk, you would have to replicate that on all the PCB CDs.

>Capitalism cannot exist without a State to enforce contract laws and patents
>patents
This is what Jews want you to think. (((Patents/intellectual property/copyright))) are totalitarian, anti-competitive, anti-consumer and anti-capitalistic ideas.

And yet, patents only exist in capitalist States, but not socialist/communist ones. Why is that?

Patents are different. Their primary purpose is for an inventor to disclose the details of his invention in exchange for temporary monopoly.
If patents didn't exist, there would be no reason for companies to disclose the details of new technologies. That would mean a lot of reinventing the wheel for everyone else. Reverse engineering can only get you so far and for some types of technology it's very expensive and time consuming.
Really, patents are good. IP and Copyright can go fuck themselves, though.

I think you're thinking about DVD Decrypter.
AnyDVD authors also got some shit but they just rebranded.

>not socialist/communist ones
False. They exist in socialism. And they exist in communism in the form of government forbidding anyone from making products competitive to those made by the government which is what's also happening in capitalism sometimes directly sometimes indirectly, except in this case it's the companies/monopolies killing competition.

>patents
>temporary monopoly.
20 years isn't good enough. They should expire in 1-4 years.

>20 years isn't good enough. They should expire in 1-4 years.
yeah, but that's corporate lobbying for you
it goes a lot further than patents too

The technology is very similar.

I think what he's actually saying is that you could use Lightscribe to turn a disc into a UV mask and then make the PCB using that, rather than making the PCB itself directly in the drive. Pretty cool idea, actually, but I don't think it's why Lightscribe died.

>And they exist in communism in the form of government forbidding anyone from making products competitive to those made by the government
That's called a planned economy that doesn't allow private enterprise or property, i.e. communism. You're applying capitalist economics to a communist system. That's like me saying apples are terrible bananas.

oh wow, so you can expose pcb boards, big fucking deal. You still need to drill holes and plate through. Not to mention adding fucking components.
And all you can make is supercapacitors. The graphene coating are not that conductive. Second this process does not actually scale. Sure you can make tiny capacitors but that's with a relatively high energy cost (lasers are inefficient)