/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a build guide for your socket
>How to install Win7 on new CPUs
pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses - e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
>Don't use Speccy, you retard. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.

Overclocking
>Use PBO on Ryzen. Legacy overclocking is defunct on Ryzen 2#00X CPUs. youtube.com/watch?v=FC3fsVk9Sss

CPUs
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-8700K - Best for 1080p gaming, but most expensive when factoring in delid, high-end cooler, etc.
>R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

Motherboards
>Only Z300 series Intel boards can utilize fast memory

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this much
>Current CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
1080p
>RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050Ti or RX560 for lower settings 1080p, or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match
1440p
>Vega 56 /w Freesync, 1070Ti if you already have Gsync
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match
2160p(4K)
>Titan V
OpenCL work
>Vega 64

Storage
>Consider StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Monitors
>Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards
>Lock to 72fps on 144hz non-Gsync monitors with Nvidia cards to prevent tearing on more demanding games
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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first for shit pc

NOT THE CARPET

selling my gpu and TN panel 144hz 1080p monitor because I've grown out of vidya. Need a 1080p 60hz monitor (IPS?) that is good for movies and TV/ general use. would pic related be a good idea? (HP 24ea) its only $130. Any other suggestions? Dont want to spend much more than $150ish

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2400g is a bad investment if i am gonna game at 768p If am poorfag right.
Am I better off with a workstation and a new GPU like the 1050ti?

delid me and spread liquid metal all over me

2400g is on a more long lived socket.
but sure, you can go and pick up a cheap used OEM with sandy bridge and up cpu and just slap a 1050ti to it

i5 8400 or R5 2600X for gaming?

8400

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400w (probably 10 year old or so) mystery office pc power supply should be enough for non-oc i7 2600k + 1 hdd + 1 DvDRW + Nvidia Quadro 570 (38w) right?

Or is it too risky some magical power surge accident can blow everything to kingdom come? Its going to be used for Indesign paper editing and GIMP at most.

Am i jewing with fire here or am i just over paranoid for simple office work?

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2600x. Better performing, better stock cooler, longer lasting platform and less security concerns. 8400 competes with the 2600 for around the same price, but then you're still stuck to a platform that'll die when the 9th gen comes out and you're using 6c/6t locked processor.

2600x for next couple years

>7700k and 8600k
The fact that the image even suggests that someone should buy the 8600k let alone the 7700k at this point pretty much invalidates it.

sure, itll be fine.

dont risk it, psu not expensive
i will link a promo again pcpartpicker.com/product/Tc3RsY/seasonic-power-supply-ss620gm2 40 bucks and you'll never have to worry about it

>comparing last gen to this gen invalidates the graph

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>8600k is last gen
No one should be buying the 8600. It's more expensive than the 2600x, still has only 6 threads and you need z370 which is a dead platform (unless you plan to get 9th, at which point you should just wait).

new psu imo

7700k is last gen retard stop replying to me

video editing
daw softwares
occasionally csgo or lol

for these reasons and also i want a solid, nice pc, is picrel a good choice? what else would you suggest (prebuilt only please)
also what is the easiest way to carry pc case & monitor to flight with me?

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Is an intel 545s 512gb a good first ssd? I'm in the market for one and in my country this is the cheapest of the decent ones.The mx500 is 25% more expensive, the wd blue is like 10-15% more, the ADATA su800 and the sandisk ultra ii are more expensive than the mx500 and obviously the 850-860 are way out of my league.
The only thing cheaper is the A400 and uv400 from kingston, but i'm not getting near any of those.

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If you cant build ur own pc yeah sure

when we getting affordable 4k monitors FUCK

I mentioned both the 7700k *and* the 8600k. The only Intel CPU anyone should buy is the 8400 or 8700k.

To add some more info, on userbenchmarks it says it has much lower random write (53mb/s vs 90 mb/s) than the mx500, but around the same random read. Oh, and sequential reads are 289 MB/s vs 429.

ebuyer.com/835778-pc-specialist-vanquish-vertex-xl-1070ti-gaming-pc-pcs-d1358460

1070ti, 2700x, 16gb Ram. Was thinking of getting this for 1080p gaming since it's priced similar to what building it would cost.

Why is this build so perfect for my ~800$ budget

>2133 MHz RAM
>A320 MOTHERBOARD
>Foundry Edition 1070Ti
>450W Corsair CPU that's only barely 80+
Jesus Christ, no. Do not do that. They skimped on almost every component.

is gtx 660/ti enough for overwatch at >120fps on the lowest settings?
is there any alternative i can look at, my budget is really low so yeah..

What's a good wireless headset with mic?

nonexistent

shill

Thank you for that. I suppose that is why it's so cheap then. Is there a motherboard you would recommend then?

Mmmmm yes more salty tears

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2600x

Any good wired headphones then?(still with mic)

Thanks guys, i'll be looking into swapping it then, until then i think i'll open up the psu's i have on hand and check if the components arent bulging or about to explode.

No such thing. Headsets in general are trash, but wireless are garbage. They typically skimp out on mic quality because the end user only really notices the audio. Most people aren't going to record themselves to see how they sound to others.

So just get a seperate mic then?

Yup, Antlion ModMic, V-Moda Boompro (what I have and it's half the price) or some kind of desktop mic.

Awesome looking sleeper build. Those old silver cases are aesthetic as fuck.

/pcbg/ are small form factor PCs still a thing? I'm in the beginning stages of planning a build around Ryzen and GTX 1080 and I really don't want a hulking case like my last build.

What about a headset?

You should really get a X470 board if you want a Ryzen 2700X, but do you need a 2700X? For gaming a Ryzen 2600X and a good B450 board will be just fine, and be 100 GBP cheaper.
uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jHDNgw
Here, go from there. Maybe add a Wi-Fi adapter if you need Wi-Fi, or just run cable.

There are lots of 75hz IPS options.
1440p ones as well, but they're about $100 above your budget.

That HP monitor is only 96% sRGB. I'd look for 99%+.

Huh?
2400G will run anything low-medium settings at 1080p, or 900p at worst. It'll handle 768 easily.
And going with a 2400G gives a good upgrade path.

If 2600X is within your budget, you should go with that.

From what I've seen, all the Intel SSDs were bad up until 900p. And 900p is more the sort of thing you'd want to use with tiered storage like StoreMi.

>ebuyer.com/835778-pc-specialist-vanquish-vertex-xl-1070ti-gaming-pc-pcs-d1358460
Case is ugly.
It's founder's edition.
Shit board.
Shit RAM.

If your CPU doesn't bottleneck at that fps, yeah probably.
I know the 2400G iGPU does Overwatch at 60fps 1080p on medium, and a 660Ti should considerably out perform it by like +50%.

See There are go "good" headsets. Just the ones that are slightly less trash than others. You either trade quality for convenience (not having a dedicated headphone/mic) or vice versa. Whether it'll be acceptable to you or not is a question no one can answer, but objectively it'll be worse than the two mic attachments or a desktop mic.

2600, destroys 8400 in performance potential and price

Don't ask me why but I have a GTX 1080 and a Core i5 750. What's the cheapest mobo/cpu/ram upgrade that will let me take more advantage of some of the power of the 1080 without breaking the bank. Can't afford to go high end Ryzen or Intel right now

Should i buy a sapphire vega 64 for about $620? Can't get a 56 cheaper than that here.

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If that's comparable to 1080 prices, or not much more since you can save with Freesync, and it's cheaper than a 56 anyway, then you may as well?

At 1080p or 1440p?

>intel 900p
Yeah, but that ones an nvme and is much more expensive. This would be my first ssd and all I have a i5-2500k motherboard with only sata3.
So having that into account, what do you think?

>If that's comparable to 1080 prices
Can get a 1070ti or 1080 noticeably cheaper, but i was panning to go freesync.

The Corsair 280x is a sexy small case

1080p

>but why do you have a GTX 1080 for 1080p you retard
It was a gift

get a 1070ti strix and oc that cunt
dont get a housefire vega
fuck freesync

Oh I like that.. Thank you user

Meant headphones(no mic) not headset.

Can get a gigabyte windforce one for about $50 less though.

Get the fucking Strix, you won't regret it.

I think something like the Team Group L5 3D is a far better option than those junk Intel models.

Then it depends.
Did you want an IPS?
Is the 64+Freesync IPS at least cheaper than the 1070Ti+Gsync IPS?
You should go with which is cheaper between those.
If you aren't getting an IPS, adaptive sync isn't as important.
No, don't get Gigabyte windforce cards either. They're loud and shit.
You should not be comparing a high end Sapphire Nitro 64 to a dogshit Gigabyte Windforce anything.

A 2600 OC'd @ 4.1GHz, or 2600X with PBO enabled, with reasonably fast RAM is the minimum you need to not bottleneck a GTX 1080 at 1080p.
A 2400G or i5-8400 will bottleneck it by a few % in a number of games.

But you made it sound like all of those are out of your budget.

Personally I use the VMODA Crossfades and the Boompro, but if you're just looking at headphones go to an audio store and try them out. Quality is *really* subjective when it comes to audio and something you really 'need', like extra bass may not be something someone else wants.

I tried the M40X and M50x from Audio Technica, but I ended up staying with the Crossfades. Reviews would tell you AT is much better.

>Team Group L5 3D
Not available in my country. Why do you say it's a junk model?

It's fine.
>all the Intel SSDs were bad up until 900p
Utterly wrong. Spend more time reading reviews, less time posting gigantic walls of text.

>Why do you say it's a junk model?
Why do you think it's a good model?

It's, on various tests averaged together, similar to something like an MX200. And here in the US, they aren't even that cheap.

no ur rong

As far as I'm aware, between the M50X and M40X, the M40X are actually a lot better.

>Team Group L5 3D is a far better option than those junk Intel models.
ayy lmao, you even went so far as to advise buying a Team Group L5, a literal who DRAMless third-party SSD. The very bottom of the barrel with mystery meat NAND and controllers that may as well have variable BOM.

How does someone with so little knowledge find the gall to type so much?

>It's, on various tests averaged together, similar to something like an MX200. And here in the US, they aren't even that cheap.

Do you have a source? Because I've seen it compared to the mx500 on anandtech.

>The Intel 545s uses similar NAND and controller to the MX500 but usually comes out slightly ahead. However, Intel hasn't been pricing the 545s very aggressively and they haven't released 1TB or 2TB capacities.

anandtech.com/show/12263/the-crucial-mx500-500gb-review/9

>between the M50X and M40X, the M40X are actually a lot better.
M50Xs have more base, but M40Xs are basically neutral. So it depends on what you're looking for.

>source
storagereview.com/intel_545s_ssd_review Is the one I pulled up.
Really poor latency in a lot of cases. Most synthetics are more around the level of something like a MX200.

At least the TBW is decent, at 144 on the 256Gb model, but is that really one of the best cheaper options that you have?

would something like this (ViewSonic VA2459-BAKA) be better than the HP monitor?

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>BAKA
You mean the BAKA I assume.
I can't find color gamut info on it. Why can't you look them up yourself to figure out which to get, though?

Yeah, it is even cheaper than a kingston A400 for the 500gb model atm.

can someone explain why simply not using a case is never mentioned as a viable option, only a joke?

pros:
Infinite parts compatibility
Infinite MB compatibility? You don't care about shitty VRM thermals because you can just blow a fan on it
Any combination of cooling is viable. Just leave all that shit dangling no shits given

cons:
can't set your double gulp soda next to it
easier for someone to steal your shit
harder to attend lan parties

Fuck, that looks nice.

Is the 2400 igpu good for gaming for the next 2 years exactly?
Also I can't buy online so I am limited to local vendors and they all don't have ddr4 2x4 ram sticks more than 2400mhz, Should I cop them Can I OC those sticks to 3200mhz?

>Is the 2400 igpu good for gaming for the next 2 years exactly?
Gaming at what resolution/hz?

I was planning to put two cold cathodes into my rig. A green and a blue one like on the picture, trying to create a fade effect. Would it work/look good?

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there area already "open" cases like this, i don't know much about them, but I assume the reasons they're not more popular are
1.) accidents happen
2.) dust
3.) fans aren't powerful enough to move the hot air away from your components away and you'll end up recirculating hot air

I still have money to waste, would i need a DAC/Soundcard if i wanted to use a Sony MDRV6 or my motherboard onboard card would be good?

sure but very strange that it's never even mentioned as an alternative, especially to people on a strict budget. Forgoing a 100 dollar case suddenly lets you upgrade your ram from 8 to 16gb. Or you can suddenly pay for a windows license if that's your thing.

But I guess most people think even a fucking raspberry pi needs to be in a case so oh well.

You should probably start by looking up the DAC on your motherboard.

Awww look at those widdle birdies!

If you're on a budget you can pick up a used or even new case on Craigslist or even the goodwill for like 30 dollars and not have to worry about any of the problems of leaving your system exposed. If you're going to purchase something expensive on a limited budget you probably want to protect it.

Should I take a loan out for a PG279Q and an 1180/2080?

Why not just save? they are 1-2 months away.

Hello.

I am a poor person but over the last year or so I have been punching in extra shifts and really saving. My laptop on which I write this is 6 years old and it'll die soon. I use my nephews PC to play and work with PS and Adobe but he's moving soon and taking the PC with him.

I want to be able to play games like Overwatch, WoW, LoL, Fortnite and 2018-2020 titles on as max settings as possible.
But ''future-proofing'' is a also a big concern for me because I wan't be able to afford an entirely new rig for a long, long time. I have assembled what I think is good price-performance balance.

Please review this build.
Things I am not willing to compromise on - good, 27 inc monitor both for gaming and media consumption.

-AMD RYZEN 5 2600X
-DELL S2716DG
-COOLER MASTER SILENCIO 452
-ASUS CERBERUS GEFORCE GTX 1070 TI ADVANCED EDITION 8GB GDDR5
-MSI X470 GAMING PLUS
-G.SKILL RIPJAWSV 16GB 3200MHZ CL14
-CORSAIR FORCE MP500 120GB M.2 PCIE CSSD
-SAMSUNG SSD 850 EVO 500GB SATA
-GIGABYTE ATX 2.31 B700H 700W
-BE QUIET! DARK ROCK 4 CPU COOLER 135MM
-BE QUIET! SILENT WINGS 3 PWM HIGH-SPEED 120MM
(x2)
-COOLER MASTER MASTERKEYS LITE L COMBO
-MICROSOFT WINDOWS 10 HOME 32/64 BIT ENG 1PK USB

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>Should I take a loan out
Is there interest in the loan? If there is then no. If you have something like a Newegg store credit card then go for it. Those are usually 0% APR for purchases over a set amount.

Buy a SATA SSD instead a NVMe SSD also avoid 120GB SSDs, drop the MP500.
Look for a EVGA 650-750 G3 or a Seasonic Focus PSU.
Remove Windows.

Also 860 EVO replaced 850 EVO.

dust would accumulate faster, room temperatures get hotter under load (not a good idea in this summer heat), and all it takes is one accident from a pet or kid to ruin your system.

checked

where I live those two things combined will cost me an extra $700 or more.

Thinking about getting a 1440p IPS monitor. Are IPS monitors good or is the tech flaky and unreliable? Rather not buy something that is unreliable.

why are people so obsessed with dust? Has it ever once ever done anything besides cause people to bitch about it? That paul's hardware dude left a build completely bare out in the open for like a year or some shit, never even touched it, and guess what, it still worked fine.

So worst case scenario: you may have to blow some air on it once a month for about 30 seconds.

>Remove Windows.
Um, sorry?!

FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME
A VOCAL MINORITY MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IPS PANELS ARE RIGGED TO NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX
that is not the case. IPS panels shit all over TN ones. Please for fuck's sake if you know the difference between the two you know there's no choice except to buy an IPS panel, so fucking buy it and enjoy it. Muh dead pixels, muh bleed muh this muh that, FUCK.

Remove your windows for better ventilation.

>Look for a EVGA 650-750 G3 or a Seasonic Focus PSU.
They are quite a bit more expensive than the Be Quiet! where I live. Is the build quality really so different that it warrants excluding it?

He means get it for free from the internets.
Oh and get the Strix over the Cerberus if you can, it's better.

>He means get it for free from the internets.
I am not tech savvy as you can tell, risking a fresh system by getting it from the internet?! I'd like to save, it's 130 Euros after all but still.

dust buildup depends on how often a person sheds their dead skin nearby and how often they clean their room. someone using that pc everyday is going to shed a lot of it. while you can use compressed air to get rid of dust off the fans, it can get lodged deep into the heatsink grills overtime and form a layer of caked dust if left unchecked that affects temperatures. you would have to take off the fans and get in a good cleaning of the heatsink to remove it.

if you're overclocking your components, you're more likely pushing your voltages up which increases heat output and you should minimize things that would increase heat like dust.