Jow Forums on a BlockChain??

Propagation is theoretically faster, but not necessarily upload.

Blockchain is a retarded idea and you are a brainlet of the thinnest degree for suggesting it.

Use IPFS

vanderlyle.myftp.org/ipfs/QmWr6EaxGniCyRH2NDALYykZJYR7Dr3Gv2413YojH2G2bN

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I was going to make a thread about that, whatever happened to that project?

In fact, I hope you answer my question in a new thread about IPFS

I'm not quite getting it. Is the content or the punishment or the investigation going to change if it's moved to a blockchain?

I think that would probably depend on the number of users both

Jow Forums isn't illegal to use now but are you saying the increased anonymity is what might give reason to make having the blockchain illegal?

No. As is, its contents are only on your computer as browser cache files and in RAM for viewing. But with the entire blockchain stored on your PC, you are storing and hosting illegal content.

A bit fucking rude there but I admit I didn't even know about IPFS, if this offends you then I frankly don't give a fuck but they seem fairly similar. Would you care to tell me the difference?

Ethereum has a 15 second block time.

The big problem would be space. Right now, if you open a bunch of Jow Forums tabs, you're downloading something on the order of megabytes of data. If we wanted an imageboard blockchain, with permissive post length and image size limits, soon every user would have to keep TBs of shitposts on their computer.
Additionally, there's not much to be gained by blockchainifying imageboards. There's nothing that requires cryptographic signatures, transfer of tokens, consensus algorithms, or trustlessness.

Ok, but why doesn't this apply to the Jow Forums servers or Jow Forums itself right now for hosting all be it unwillingly illegal content?

That thing would have terabytes of pizza overnight.

Why hasn't this already been done on the ethereum or bitcoin blockchains?

It's unexplored (legal) territory, if we're lucky, they'll consider it the same as the browser cache, if we're not, either all blockchains are banned completely, or if your blockchain has CP in it, even if it's it was just added by not you, LOL YOU AND EVERYBODY WHO JUST DOWNLOADED THE BLOCKCHAIN SEGMENT ARE NOW A PEDOPHILE LET'S PUT YOU IN JAIL TO BE KILLED AMIRITE?

But what if we want decentralization?

If I want
>Goggles_Reaction_faces_part_2-s400x392-159305.jpg
I request the hash QmZFPZmRCQsBExJ2Xv9bP7JnBFFYLeFgAMbJwJuC4HA3jb

Which correlates to the file
>Goggles_Reaction_faces_part_2-s400x392-159305.jpg
And cannot possibly be anything else

It's secure, transparent, and very very hard to kill.
Try it:
vanderlyle.myftp.org/ipfs/QmZFPZmRCQsBExJ2Xv9bP7JnBFFYLeFgAMbJwJuC4HA3jb

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I think I've read some news about this happening in the bitcoin blockchain a couple of months ago, but I'm not sure if it's real since I haven't heard much about it.

Jow Forums hosts the content, and polices it for for illegal content. They allow the FBI to look at deleted items and request logs to see who submitted them.

A very good point sir.

I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too
:(

probably true

If it is legalized, that'll be a sure sign that the NSA or whoever has nothing to fear from blockchain; probably because they would have found some weakness in the system

Store archives in a DHT?

There are already chans on a (rolling) blockchain.
bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page
If you look at the git the project does not appear to be dead. There are still somewhat active chans.

Perhaps. Honestly I think we need to nip the problem in the bud and make possession of CP "legal" (maybe watch those who download repeatedly), and go full hardcore on (intentional) distribution and production.
That'll never happen, though. CP is used as blackmail in politics and even being suspected of being a pedophile killing your social life is the current ethos.
Being a pedophile (and honestly, it's deserved if you actually go after children, or intentionally fap to CP erryday), is the great Satan of today, society would probably collapse without it at this point.

Thread here.

Ask away. Wanna get some stuff going.
I'm just using nginx to forward my ipfs gateway over ssl port so web browsers see it fine.

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I see it something like this, the imageboard would be an IPFS site, that should be pretty straightforward to do.

Then, we should use a smart contract to give consensus about what thread should be closed, archived, and then deleted (similar to the rules this site uses to clean up dead and old posts).

Posting is a problem, because now it isn't free. And then there is the problem about dealing with spam. Also, the moderation would had to be dealt by the smart contract by itself.

Technically, you could implement all of that with on the current smart contracts platforms like Ethereum, but I would insanely error-prone and unpractical.

We are still years away until something like this can be done properly.

Speaking of moderation, would it be possible to delete images with a smart contract?
I don't think consensus would work, since that would require having a lot of people seeing something like CP.
I'd love to have a fast distributed imageboard.

Because it's a blockchain, the content would still be there, no? Best you can do is add a flag later to hide it. You could even have a system where each moderator has their own key they sign these hide commands with, and users could choose to trust a given mod's discretion or not. But the content would still be there.

The problem is that there's no point in hiding it because you're still distributing and receiving it.
AFAIK, you can't just take a chunk out of a blockchain, that's the entire point.

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>Less than a month

So what site are you writing for?

we already have this
>too lazy to link

Mods can remove the CP from the site, but you can't remove anything from a blockchain. Also, it gets increasingly more difficult to post with each post having to be calculated to be added to the blockchain. Bitcoin can only do a set amount of interactions globally per minute. You'd make it so Jow Forums would be very slow and impractical to use in a couple of years, with no real benefit other than to have the whole history secured and locked in to a log.

lol, no one stops anyone from posting illegal content to the bitcoin blockhain

They have. There's links to CP in comments on the blockchain.

None, it's just been in the back of my mind for sometime

It has already been done though.

>but you can't remove anything from a blockchain
depends how it's designed
could just scrub offending blocks of bad records, calculate a new hash, add it to a list of modified blocks and treat it as an exception in software, we will know the block has been modified which is fine as long as we know why it was modified and the rest of the posts are accounted for

if there's a log of why specific records were removed and 'consensus' that a certain post should be removed, then why not? it's still much more accountable than the current system where we trust mods to do the right thing, and it can't just be done by one guy going rogue

it doesn't have to be a super duper immutable PoW blockchain like bitcoin that uses up all the electricity of poland to keep secure

what if we have no images?
messages and discussion are more important than images that can easily bloat the chain, and we still have our freedom of speech and snarky comments

we can have a sidechain for image uploads, hash each image so we can prune duplicates and block certain images that nobody wants to see

also, it's not even important to store everything ever posted from the beginning

perhaps some users may want to keep a full chain,
others can just use the first block of 2018 as the 'genesis block' and just download posts from 2018

some people may not even want to store everything in 2018, they could just save their favorite threads/posts instead if they ever want to read them again for whatever reason

but as long as there are complete chains out in the wild, it can't be censored the way we could be right now if dropped from dns records or similar

probably the only thing that would be considered 'bad' in text are public doxxing of people, what else could possibly need censoring?

if someone does a text dump of government alien documents, people will say it is 'fabricated and homosexual'

>what if we have no images?

You're looking at hosting gigabytes of information and if someone posts CP then you become victim to hosting the CP yourself.

Basically OP just had a brainfart without actually thinking about it.

This is dumb, one of the premises of Jow Forums is that the content is erased after a while.

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if this hypothetical blockchain 4ch is text only, then whats the risk? people are going to jack off over text?

if there's links to CP sites, just purge the post and ban the poster, blacklists aren't hard to make, the 4ch software can have a list of website hashes to compare against so nodes dont have the cleartext list of CP sites to visit
but how do we make sure this list of banned sites are actually bad sites and not someone's pet grudge against kotaku or something?

how the hell do the current mods even keep track of bad links anyway?

>content is erased after a while.
I have a bridge to sell to you

Why would you want to wait 3 weeks to post?
Captcha is bad enough as it is.

>the pros and cons
Pro:
>It's technically feasible
Con:
>it's the dumbest fucking idea I've ever seen on the internet
>and you're retarded

moderators should be chosen by the users, their actions as mods should be public for all to see, and their privileges should also be able to be stripped by users if they abuse their power.

but the real question is how we make sure the mods are doing the right thing, are we gonna have everyone look at gore pics and verify it is actually gore before it gets removed? and how can users make sure a mod has been doing the right thing in removing a post when it's now gone.

specialized AI to detect gore and other disgusting images could be used for scrubbing, but if the AI malfunctions, then what?

read you won't need the full chain to participate in discussion

thats a good point though, how to actually stop someone spamming
guess the nodes can just reject more than 1 post attempt per minute based on ID per IP, it can queue the other messages and drop them by priority, they can even check if you're sending the same message over and over by checking message hashes and deal with it appropriately

if they just keep switching IDs or IPs, there's no real way to stop that even now

Blockchain is supposed to be cecorship resistant and decentralized. So everyone should be equally given the same power, and no single entity that can fuck things up like power of moderators. Stuff like CP, Gore etc. are technically not bad, they are subjective. Free posting should be allowed, otherwise just stick to centralized servers.

we'll probably end up having specialised AI filters that we can turn on to remove or hide stuff we don't want to see, maybe it should be an OS level thing that even web browsers can consult to decide if an image should be shown or not

personally I never ever want to see furfag, trannie, blacked, cp, gore crap

yes you can, you just know that a chunk is missing

for transactions, it's important not to have chunks missing, but for message boards, some stuff should definitely be removed and as long as there's a list of what post was removed and why, then I'm fine with it

you're going to have to make your own board then with implmented AI which isn't even feasable yet. You don't need blockchain.

>why?
because we can
>advantages?
none

it is totally feasible, machine learning exists and is suitable for this stuff
no doubt google and others are making AI filters like this for their own use

the board doesn't need to have AI filters on day 1 to function, the same way this board doesn't use them, but I think in 5-10 years, it'll be a OS level thing because it'll be useful for many applications to use, rather than have each app have its own set of AI filters, some which will be better than others

>imagine being this much of a brainlet
you think images can not be stored as text?
here I just invented a lossless text based image format for you.

800000, FFFF00, 808000
00FF00, FF5733, 25535D
255D29, 595D25, 1061CF

there's plenty of advantages like no chance of shitposting becoming banned for everyone on the planet if 4ch goes down for whatever reason, it's just how to deal with the shit that none of us want to see

The latency would be hell.

So Bitcoin is illegal now, because it has CP stored in the blockchain?

usenet alt.binaries
text mode doesn't mean users cant submit illegal material

>almopst all are mp3
WHEW LAD

better ban the internet and computers then, and carrier pigeons too because they can send letters which could be decoded into illegal images!!

my point was that removing images makes it easier to control the blockchain growth rate, it makes it easier to moderate offensive content

while still allowing shitposting and discussion which is why I come here
I dont come here to look at deviant crap