my entry level job in london as a front end is 22k but that is shit for london most people get at least 24k
Brandon Cook
depends where u bloody live don't it m8
according to indeed the average is about 30k, if you add extras on eg "React full stack" it jumps up much higher to like 35k+
Anthony Jenkins
is nodejs really professional quality software? it's so shambolic since the leftpad fiasco, npm bullshit and now flatout breaking old installations rather than giving an option to upgrade because they can't into because they can't into ECMAScript legacy support. it's pathetic
Jordan Miller
>leftpad fiasco what?
Landon Phillips
google it you fucking newfag
Jacob Anderson
Can I get an entry level job as a front end dev before college?
Leo Clark
no no, more
Austin Gonzalez
>professional You use that word like it means something
It's not ENTERPRISE GRADE super stable actually good but its more than good enough for anything you could possibly think of making on your own
no legit places use Java JSP bullshit or C# and ASP.net
but majority of the web still uses PHP and node.js fuckery
Xavier Perry
>implying you will ever work in corporate biz
Hunter Sanchez
Majority of web runs on wordpress, to be more accurate. They would be using Vala if that's what Wordpress chose at the time, php is kind of irrelevant when you take that into consideration. Node barely runs anything.
If you're having to ask that then you should probably decide what CMS you want to use first.
Gavin Ward
>playing smart instead of delivering answers nice
Jordan Bell
how can anyone deliver answers when you're being vague as fuck? like hello??????? is there a brain inside that skull of yours or nah
Camden Hernandez
Why would I learn anything else than master race Laravel framework and of course SQL and server managing?
Adrian Lee
It depends
Mason Powell
yaeh it depends on wether im a faggot that likes to drink cum and works with javascript frameworks and is part of the problem in web programming world or not
It is literally anything but. It's nothing an abstraction layer on top of Symfony components, and it encourages you to be lazy. If you learn Laravel, you effectively don't know anything else. I've had niggers interview for jobs with 3 years of Laravel experience, and they couldn't work out the simplest solutions in raw PHP. They would try to use the fucking collection construct to do a simple array filter or iteration.
Not sure if it is any good or not but was wondering if anyone knew of other books worth getting?
Austin Nelson
the best way to learn html and css is experience imo since its mainly just memorising what does what and what the labels are. no critical thinking is ever usually involved.
jesus christ dude those guys where total hipster retards obviously i dont even know how did they manage that since laravel is written in php and its all there to explore its not Laravel's fault they never made anything more complex than a blog I personally cant even imagine how to learn X language framework without knowing the pure X language first fuck this world and hipsters shitting the webdev world, it could've been respected programming field instead of being called out by system and desktop programmers all the time
Alexander Morris
I find it better to read something and then practice what I have learned. I know there is tons of free stuff online which are in books, but I find it easier to sit down with a book rather than doing it online. It also makes it easier to reference as I go along.
See above
Austin Gray
I have a good understanding of HTML/CSS and a basic understanding of JavaScript and I really like JS so far. I want to learn React, what’s the best way to learn a new language like this?
I'm just starting college. How does a socially inept aspie like me get into networking?
Kevin Ward
Join anime club.
Brandon Ramirez
>"command: This event handler is called when an element is activated. [...] You should always use the command event instead of click because it will be called in all of the needed cases." >"click: This event is sent when a mouse button is pressed and released. [...] You should not use this event in XUL to respond to user actions; the command event should be used instead." >FF's own source code uses click far more than command
got self induced diarrohea from the stress and anxiety
Sebastian Long
fizz buzz, look it up. Also string and array manipulation.
Cameron Jackson
i hate that feeling why are we such faggots
Joshua Parker
is C# ASP.NET and JSPs the only legit enterprise grade web development?
Robert Phillips
Curious /wdg/ what do you use to dev on? MacOS, Linux, Windows? Front end here and want to move from Windows to Linux.
Juan Jenkins
using GNU/Linux exclusively for 4 years now
Aaron Johnson
How do I remove all the bloat that comes with cPanel like the default 404 pages and the fact that cpanel.domain.com goes to the cPanel and all the other things that I'm not yet aware of?
maybe you're under prepared. There was a michael jordan quote where he said whenever he got into a game he feared nobody because every scenario he encountered in a game he already practiced a thousand times.
Jose Lee
Rip Charles Manson
Evan Bennett
if you're actually front end you'll suffer on linux go mac if you're wanting to get away from windows for whatever reason
Brandon Nguyen
I'd go with rails for enterprise or some decent java alternative if I absolutely had to.
Juan Foster
The only ones taken seriously, absolutely. There are alternatives for some aspects that enterprises use or have dabbled with, but none of them have become as huge.
Just don't write any JavaScript until you absolutely have to and then only write the bare minimum you need to do whatever stupid thing you think you need to do. If you're dealing with webpack, transpilers etc and aren't building a full on desktop gui app like Excel or Photoshop then you are a retard and should seriously stop and reassess yourself. The people that know JavaScript the best write it the least.
Isaac Bell
HR can smell your fear, user, and insecurity is contagious; if you doubt yourself that much, how do you expect that a stranger is going to trust you? Just remember that at worst you may not get the job and that's all.
The whole .NET stack is quite nice, except for the fact that you pretty much have to use Windows. But to be fair, the traditional alternative is Java and dealing with Oracle, XML for anything, and way too much boilerplate. Most likely on Windows too. A saving grace in all of this, is that with .NET Core you could develop things that can run in Linux, and that in JVM world there's more than just Java (Kotlin, Scala, etc.) and overcomplicated do-it-all-this-way web frameworks, if you wanted to learn something for yourself that's not JS insanity or the fabulous world of Python's "use kwargs everywhere".
Hunter Rodriguez
Anybody a pro with Jest? I'm having trouble with JavaScript unit testing, with Jest particularly, and was hoping somebody here could hold my hand a lil bit. It's to do with mock functions.
Angel Edwards
Linux. Install gentoo faggot.
Jonathan Hernandez
cute girl more?
Jackson Williams
F U N with static sites~
Robert Price
I miss the old internet, the 4:3 msn messenger internet
Grayson Stewart
that wasnt old you 12yo cunt
Kevin Young
25 years actually, you in your 30s? Lol I remember GameFAQS and message boards hosted on ProBoards too, then there was NeoPets and Habbo Hotel as well. Which is all early 2000s. We got internet in 1998 but since it was through the phone line we couldn't use it before 6pm without it costing a billion £s per second
Aaron Williams
Can web dev cure depression?
Grayson Jones
If you keep motivated and continue to achieve the goals that you set for yourself then it does help a great deal with your sense of self-worth, maybe your depression too
Oliver Perez
>tfw struggle doing simple shit in CSS but I'm learning JS and PHP at the same time fine
Is it autism?
Parker Gomez
It'll click in time, user. CSS is more about habit and memorisation though, so you just have to keep using it and you'll remember the useful shit in no time
Alexander Murphy
same age as you actually tbqh those were all mid-late 2000s, at least when they started to really take off
Robert Clark
>web 2.0 >currently web 3.0 ??
Chase Garcia
GOD DAMM IT I HATE DEPLOYING SO MUCH. for some reason when I add an instance of my model via the django admin, I get a 500 error. This does not happen in production. Also It seems like I am running 2 instances of gunicorn when I run gunicorn myapp.wsgi -D, what gives
Andrew Taylor
Shit man now I'm thinking of early internet memories again. I remember the first time I saw a titty was in a Flash game where Hulk Hogan and some buddies fight against the Bush administration. That was in 2004. I'm young compared to many here, surely. You guys must have some sweet memories of 90s, maybe even 80s internet.
Gavin Davis
javascript30.com
have fun. you have no excuse now
Nathan Parker
This dude isn't an Indian? I thought all JS was done by pajeets
How do you get started with freelance developing? I want cash, and I'm confident I know the stuff.
Josiah Clark
Also the place I'm making my user wants a resume or CV, but considering I just learned the tech, and I can't really write much experience, at most meager sample projects -- but I don't got any of those.
What do you pros recommend?
Luis Cruz
user we have F# aspnet core come home white man
Jaxson Green
>it's an i'm superior to you in e points episode on wdg