So Ryzen 2 are touted as the greatest thing ever and will supposedly destroy Intel forever but the best consumer-grade...

You mean for "muh gaymez"?

>practically the same multi core performance even though it has 2 more cores

>what is clock speed

Granted AMD has slightly less IPC compared to Intel but they are catching up. They blow Intel away in everything else though in terms of performance per dollar. Intel fags are going to shit the bed once Zen 2 is announced.

DELID DIS

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ryzen 2 since the day ryzen was launched was the 7nm retard

amd officially calls the 2xxx a + edition stop being a faggot

Is it real nanometers or AMD nanometers?

There's no real standard way to put a node against the ruler. Expect it to be as good as Intel 10nm but actually working due to using traditional materials.

AMD has nothing to do with topology of the gates.

It will be amd nanometers. In real nanometers it will be close to 4.

>Which one is more broken in terms of security though?
do you have anything to hide goyim?
you don't, don't you?

7nm is the one that ibm uses since 2015

even with gayms my 2700x is noticably faster than my old overclocked 2600k, which is clocked much higher than the amd chip. sure, newer intel cpus are faster but the 2700x is still good for vidya.

But muh 500 FPS in CS:GO!

oy vey

yeah intlel braindead shills are arguing 365 fps vs 355 fps

>despite the i7 being 6 months older
It was a paperlaunch though, it's not like you could easily buy one at launch, and mainstream mobos weren't even available before ryzen 2 launch

>the platform is AM4
no such thing, AM4 is a socket, the platform is x86-64

That's their line and it hasn't been true for a long time now.

You lot get drawn in like flies and part with your money, and the product is sub-par every time.

And the cycle continues.

AyyMDrones were like this since Ryzen's release

>Ryzen will kill Intel
Ryzen 1 is faster than the 7700k in multicore (8 cores > 4 cores) and lags in everything else
>Ryzen 2 will kill Intel
The 2700X is faster than the 6-core 8700k in multicore and is barely faster than the original Ryzen 1 and still shits the bed in single core performance and IPC, its literally AyyMD taking a page off Intel's playbook of 6700k -> 7700k two years ago
>Ryzen 3 will kill Intel
Now AyyMDrones are touting a 7nm, 16-core, 7 jiggahurtz CPU with 16GB VRAM with ray tracing and shit

It's 2nd generation Ryzen, see pic. It's only Zen that has ever been called Zen+.

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Remember that the 2700x is much cheaper

>lags in everything else
>by 5-10%
Oh no, the horror!

Has there been any info how much the newest speculative execution vulnerability patches affect performance. The foreshadow or whatetever it was called.

It's *technically* second gen Ryzen, but still the first generation of the overall architecture. Just a refresh rather than a revision.
Pardon my /o/, but think of zen as, say, a 2004 Honda Accord (my first car). Now take a 2006. The 2006 has more horsepower and a refined body with a better manufacturing process, but is still overall a 2003-2007 (seventh generation) Honda Accord, despite better performance. Now take a 2009 Accord (my current vehicle). It's completely redesigned and barely even recognizable to those who knew the 7th gen cars.
That's Zen and Zen + vs Zen 2

>but still the first generation of the overall architecture
Exactly. Zen+, that is. Which is in the Ryzen 2 product. Just like Zen 2 will be in Ryzen 3.

Stop. Zen cpus are branded as ryzen 3, ryzen 5 and ryzen 7 (like intel's i3, i5, i7). Everybody knows that proper naming for current generation would be Ryzen 2xxx, people simply omit xxx part.
Stop being a dick, it will stop eventually with Ryzen 3xxx release (because of conflict with Ryzen 3 brand).

literally no one calls it "ryzen 3 [something]" anymore
it doesn't matter

The 2700X has 8 lower clocked cores, the 8700K 6 higher clocked ones.

>17.34$ vs 19.16$
what is this about?

not really, Intel will have 10nm next year. Will continue a close run.

Intel has significantly more vulnerabilities and after patching those out it's performance will severely drop. Buying Intel now is the most retarded thing you can do.
There's even one vulnerability which is enabled by multi threading, effectively requiring anyone using Intel (probably AMD too) to disable the fake cores.

you mean 12nm and another 5% IPC increase?

>Intel will have 10nm next year.
You surely mean 14nm+++++++++++++++++++

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>holyday season on 2019
>so basically end of Q4
>still won't be able to compete against zen 2

Since glofo renamed 14+ to 12nm I wonder if intel will do same with their 14++++ process, will be funny

I think Phoronix had an article. It was a few percent at most(unless you go maximum paranoid and disable HT).

>not really, Intel will have 10nm next year.
Nope, confirmed for 14nm+++ until 2020.

HT is one attack vector for spectre
even intel told everyone to disable it

ryzen 2 is not out yet, ryzen 2 is coming out next year and is what you have been hearing about. chips like the ryzen 7 2700x are ryzen+, they are refresh chips not ryzen 2.

But they are overpriced as shit.

zen = ryzen 1
zen+ = ryzen 2
zen 2 = ryzen 3

ITT: People having a hard time with AMD's naming schemes
>Zen1 / Zen+ / Zen2 /Zen3
>Ryzen3 / Ryzen 5 / Ryzen7
>Ryzen 1XXX / Ryzen 2XXX / etc

Not exactly, 2020 is for servers. Intel's official statements are 10nm 2020 for server, H2 2019 for client. Whether they'll keep to that is a another question.

And still perform better than poozen

Reminder that Ryzen isn't vulnerabilitires free, only that no one has bothered to discover them since Ryzen is only in gayman rigs.

Ryzen is currently outperforming Intel in most multithreaded workloads and is 3-4% behind in most single threaded workloads despite being on an inferior process. 7nm will be superior to Intel's 10nm, so have fun with that, shill.

Researchers have attempted to replicate the vulnerabilities on AMD parts and have had much less success than with Intel parts.

SMT is vastly superior to hyperthreading which shows in all multi threaded benchmarks.

>Is it real nanometers or AMD nanometers?
It is not 14nm+++++++++++++++++ I can tell you that.

>lower transistor count
>single core performance on par with a 6 year old intel
>"we've reached 0.1 nm XD"

no

Its TSMC nanometers.

Why should transistor count matter, most of it is the iGPU. Ryzen doesn't have one.

Singlecore is on par with 3 year old Intel.

yes, the general public will surely grasp AMDs immediately obvious and totally straightforward naming scheme, taking same into their hearts and minds. It is surely only the autists on this here technology board, in this here specialist processor orgsmics thread, who can singularly fail to grasp these simple concepts.
>Good Job, Marketing!

General public dont even know what zen 1, 2, 3 are. They just know number go up it go faster.

AMD IS LITERALLY DEAD

BTFO BY VOLTA

BTFO BY COFFEE LAKE

SELL ALL YOUR AMD SHIT NOW

NOW

>Ryzen 2 will kill Intel
>The 2700X is faster than the 6-core 8700k in multicore and is barely faster than the original Ryzen 1 and still shits the bed in single core performance and IPC, its literally AyyMD taking a page off Intel's playbook of 6700k -> 7700k two years ago

The 2XXX series is Ryzen+, aka 12nm, you fucking retard. Nobody with half a brain would have called it an Intel Killer.

Ryzen2 is the one that going to be interesting due to being 7nm.

The naming is kind of confusing

There's Ryzen 2xxx and Zen 2, but I don't think there's any Ryzen 2.