Is there any reason not to use Debian?
>Well established
>Lightweight
>Tens of thousands of packages
>Sid for rolling release
>Stretch is the most stable in the game
>Good for new or advanced users
>Just werks
Why would you even consider anything else?
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>systemd
>code of conduct
Ian killed himself when he saw what debian had become
Alexis killed himself when he saw what reddit had become
New summer-fags arrive browsing reddit with debian, thinking both are great. So sad.
Because I'm using Microsoft Windows 10 Pro right now
It's a binary-based distro with systemd.
Maintainers and leaders are actively trying to purge anything that tries to not rely on every systemd package, rendering most packages useless if you don't have systemd and most of the systemd suit (which also locks you to using the Linux kernel)
They even purge init scripts from upstream, like the dnscrypt-proxyv2 sysV init scripts, and only leave the systemd units
/thread
you don't even know why you dislike systemd
>does not provide all dirvers needed out of the box because muh philosophy
>splitting python and pip while packaging ruby and gem together
>pip depends on hundreds of packages when it is essentially a python script to download python scripts
>packages in testing and/or unstable can be outdated
It's not great if you need to do development, and I mean real development not just fizz buzzing, as Debian in my experience doesn't in my experience get as many premade binaries, meaning you either have to build from source which takes more time or if it's proprietary use the Ubuntu option and pray it doesn't break something - the CUDA SDK is an example of this. And then obviously the packages in the repos themselves aren't as up to date, and while you /can/ use Sid, but there are better alternatives for a balance between being up to date but at the same time having some degree of reliability in your system, like for example Fedora.
Besides that though, I agree, Debian is great. I use it on my desktop, and dedicate my laptop to a bleeding edge Gentoo install that I can do all my development on.
>in my experience doesn't in my experience
fuck
>Just werks
No. Mint just werks. Ubuntu kind of just werks. Debian definitely doesn't just werk, at least not in my case. I had to run the installer a few times because it didn't let me continue without a network card which it refused to see.
After somehow installing it I had to manually make Debian see my card by making an ugly systemd script.
I'll give you that the installer can be a bit weird but the distro itself really does just werk.
>splitting python and pip
>pip depends on hundreds of packages
Surely you can see how these two are related
>packages in testing and/or unstable can be outdated
Only when new versions are broken or affected by some kind of transition. That's how all distros work. I remember Sid decided to package VLC 3 several months before Arch.
...yeah.
It's not that great for Desktops. I've used Debian at least on... something I own for over a decade. All of my servers run Debian stable. It just works, follows standards and gets shit done.
I do NOT like Debian on a desktop. The software catalogue by default is limited in terms of newer programs and you can get things working but, it's always such a pain and you never feel like you get a shortcut at any point.
I use Arch on desktops... And still for some fucked up reason, despite it being rolling release and "bleeding-edge", it still seems to just work too. Still not making an arch server tho.
Anyway who cares hail Satan.
Just use Ubuntu
Wait is gentoo better for development than Ubuntu? Seems like Ubuntu has the most pre-made installers and software support
Ubuntu is probably best for just getting work done, yes, but I also have Gentoo for the hobbyist element. It has the added bonus of being bleeding edge and being on a device I don't mind too much if something fucks up.
Not Stallman approved
very old packages, "doing things the Debian way" (i.e. not allowing to do many things at all) but hey, it's free as in free beer. I's free because we decided to give a six pack to you, not because we want you to participate in our beermaking. Now get out.
Devuan
I use Devuan on my laptop, but a rolling release with an updated kernel would be nice
systemd
GNU attitude
I realized that I was compiling a bunch of the big packages by hand anyway, so I went to Gentoo and didn't look back. Also, Lennart Poettering should be banned from ever programming again.
1. Lack of trust
2. Familiarity with the old way
3. No obvious benefit
Admit it, void linux is superior in every way
void is fucking brony shit
And what? Lesbians creator offed himself, they recently broke their development site comoletely and you need to install the unstable repo to get firefox
Made by retards who don't know how to make it intuitive for new users. In the end just had to say fuck it and start from rolling release. They should really change their website layout so most computer users can just download the iso and install it with a gui straight from the internet. Hence those who copied their shit was able to become more successful than them.
>having some degree of reliability in your system, like for example Fedora.
/thread
Is it really worth making the switch from Debian to Gentoo?
I was referring to that Poeterring twat, he should never had been let out of the asylum.
But, if you're use to Debian then why not move to Devuan and be system-duh free.
I don't care about systemd
You don't have to use systemd with Debian.
>systemd
Use Devuan.
have you tried installing gnome without systemd?
stable got very old packages and debian isn't very user friendly for nubs
>Is there any reason not to use Debian?
Hardware compatibility. No matter what I try, Debian will autistically complain about lack of firmware on my T43p, even with the nonfree ISO.
Never had a problem with Gentoo, Void or Slackware on it.
>based and redpilled
i use sid on my desktop and stable on everything else but i wouldnt recommend sid to everyone
last things i had to fix:
system not booting because there wasnt enough entropy
chromium not loading packaged extensions anymore
..
etc
I mean relative to Arch/Gentoo/Void
people smart enough to use debian aren't retarded enough to use gnome
Popularity contest
>linux user
>pedo wallpaper
SHOCKED
That's a horrible mascot
superior
small tits /= pedo
did you manage to install gnome on Devuan?
yeah
what distro for my shitposting/porn laptop Jow Forums? it's a piece of shit so I want something lightweight, it would be nice if it just werks but I don't mind a certain amount of fiddling with configs
used debian with xfce, gave up after trying to get a fucking VPN to work. I mean I am into computers but I don't find it interesting to fuck around with DE's their config files and after failing to get some fucking plugin to work from binary installation, dealing with source compiling and trillion motherfucking dependencies only to find out that it won't work even then. If I am to use Linux/Unix let it be terminal only on servers. that has always worked on me. desktop linux is painful.
>code of conduct
>feminist group
debian can kill itself desu
It's not a bad distro by any means and it's never given me issues (the installer is a different story) but ubuntu is better to get shit done out of the box.
use Devuan
no systemd, no CoC
dev1galaxy.org
How can you not trust something that's free software? Dude you can see the source code. It only comes up to who compiles it which has nothing to do with systemd.
>apt will randomly uninstall your bootloader and kernel for no reason
>packages are so ancient they might as well not even be installed
>still somehow comes with bloatware despite nothing ever working properly
literally the most cancerous distro
You can't properly audit it since it changes daily
>It only comes up to who compiles it which has nothing to do with systemd.
tf are you on about
Wow maybe you should have checked if your networking device was supported, or better yet, learn to read and download the correct ISO.
yeah the audit shit is real
what I meant is that you install binaries which might not correspond to the public source. the binaries you install might contain a backdoor.
ALPINE
(seriously)
pedo logo
only pedophiles and terrorists use linux anyway
I too think Redhat are terrorists.
It is supported, but my exact device's ID wasn't on the driver's supported device list for whatever reason, and I had the choice to manually put it there "temporarily" on each startup or recompile the kernel.
What do you mean "correct ISO"? I downloaded the one that was supposed to "just werk" and it didn't.
their logo is buzz lightyear's chin nigger
>didn't let me continue without a network card
you dumb nigger! did you actually typed in your fucking network card??
Yes.
>people smart enough to use debian aren't retarded enough to use gnome
so you're saying debian are retarded for actually including it then?
>did you manage to install gnome on Devuan?
Why would anyone want that clusterfuck of a desktop installed.
>no systemd, no CoC
with system-duh you have a CoC up your ass anyway.
A complete guide for all of (You) niggers to purge systemd botnet from Debian:
1) edit /etc/apt/preferences:
Package: *dbus* *polkit* *policykit* *consolekit* *libck* *disks* *libnm* *network-manager* *init* *syslog* *xfce* *mount* *blk* *fdisk* *procps* *uuid* *linux* *dbus*:i386 *polkit*:i386 *policykit*:i386 *consolekit*:i386 *libck*:i386 *disks*:i386 *libnm*:i386 *network-manager*:i386 *init*:i386 *syslog*:i386 *xfce*:i386 *mount*:i386 *blk*:i386 *fdisk*:i386 *procps*:i386 *uuid*:i386 *linux*:i386
Pin: release o=Devuan,a=ascii
Pin-Priority: 1000
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable
Pin-Priority: 900
2) edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/00devuan
deb auto.mirror.devuan.org
deb-src auto.mirror.devuan.org
deb auto.mirror.devuan.org
deb-src auto.mirror.devuan.org
deb auto.mirror.devuan.org
deb-src auto.mirror.devuan.org
deb auto.mirror.devuan.org
deb-src auto.mirror.devuan.org
3) apt-get update && apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 94532124541922FB && apt-get update && apt-get install sysvinit sysvinit-core && apt-get dist-upgrade
4) Reboot, then apt-get purge systemd
cross platform development is a pain under Debian. Gentoo > *
Old software in repos. Only thing keeping me from switching.
>installer
For some reason I thought debian installers were well-regarded.
>ALPINE
thanks user I'll check it out
Alpine is fucked because they don't fix bugs for years.
I installed stock xfce and all png renders were blurry. The bug was reported in 2015 and has remained unfixed. At least 10 people reported having it.
It may have been me doing something wrong, but I honestly don't know, since they have not done anything about that bug report.
because gentoo is better
genuine Jow Forums autism right there
/Thread
What's your issue with the code of conduct?
Devuan is somehow simultaneously both more archaic than debian stable and more unstable than debian unstable.
It's code of conduct is about not being a shitlord when asking for help. I know you are retarded but most people don't go
>I have proby wobby. Fix it REEEEEEEE
>Mint
is the performance shit or is this chart lying?
That chart was made by someone using mint lol. Arch and debian have prettt straight forward installs. Fedoras installation is harder than mint, Ubuntu, and opensuse so don't know what's up with that.
>arch linux
>low docs and community
I dont even use arch but the archwiki is amazing
Just speaking for myself but I've always seen Debian as the standard Linux distro. Relatively new to Linux (~1 year of usage) but Debian seems like the standard imo.
code of conducts are tools of SJWs, no expections.
exceptions*
distros don't really differ in performance, unless you're talking about Gentoo but you could even debate how much benefit you actually get from compiling your own binaries.
At most you could say some distros have out of date packages or something.
Probably because its nearly 30 years old
just install devuan instead dummy
What are you talking about?
Why can't you just use Ubuntu?
Do you fags have to be perpetual contrarians and special snowflakes in everything you do?
Firefox ESR in in Stretch
this
deviant is fucking shit
because ubuntu is bloated as fuck
I don't want gnome sudoku and amazon on my fucking computer
>>Just werks
It werks, but not "just." It takes a little bit of effort to get working and I'm not one for effort, as is evidenced by my rotund ass.
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