Do you prefer Arch or Gentoo?

>use cases do not overlap at all
Why is this?

Because they are designed in such a way.

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Install Solus

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Gentoo, portage is comfy as fuck

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Arch has always been a simple distribution in terms of the developer
perspective, not the user one. Using systemd made it simpler than ever
in that regard because much more work is taken care of by both the
systemd developers and all of the projects shipping unit files.
It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare
compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional
whenever possible.
It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom /
choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases
where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of
the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the
comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken,
as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of
python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't
strive to offer choices like this, and never has. It would mean a *lot*
more complexity on the development side of things along with major
deviations from upstream.
Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users
has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there
aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are
made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity.
Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module
available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat
related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional
features enabled across all the packages, etc.
Arch is the opposite of a distribution with lots of user freedom. Users
will come and go based on whether they like the technical decisions made
by the developers. The popularily of those decisions has no impact on
how things are done, regardless of how vocal users are about it.

You can still use it, it's just becoming increasing more difficult at a
pretty steady pace. Those packages didn't suddenly pick up systemd
dependencies in the past few weeks / months anyway. The version control
logs disprove the claim that there are many recent changes.
Gentoo has USE flags so features can be optional at compile-time. Many
of the packages with dependencies on systemd in Arch link against
libsystemd, and we don't split up the package as is the norm here. If
there's a package with an *unnecessary* dependency on systemd, you can
and should file a bug. I don't think there are many that depend on it
and don't use it.
Community memes don't define the distribution, technical choices by the
developers do. It's clearly not based on what you say it is, and *never*
has been. It has always used significantly more disk space and a
measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo
as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development
perspective).
You can claim that the community is based on a set of principles, but it
has nothing to do with technical decisions by the developers. Memes
about minimalism and user freedom != actual distribution policy /
principles / history.

Arch, Gentoo takes forever to compile, Arch updates in 3 minutes

Neither

They are too different from each other.

>do you like to suck dick or cock?

Does gentoo offer binary repositories where you can additionally select use flags?

I'm dual booting both, but I will switch to gentoo soon. Gentoo is better by far, faster, more stable and its package manager is the best. I don't see any particular reason to use Arch over Gentoo. That said, Install gentoo.

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>I don't see any particular reason to use Arch over Gentoo.
Newer packages for example.

>t. I don't know what use flags are
No. It does not offer such a thing because it's basically impossible.

>le bleeding edge meme
I don't mind using old packages, it's not that bad as debian at least.

I am aware of what use flags are. It's not impossible to distribute binaries with different local use flags.

I don't care if you don't mind. You said you don't see a reason to prefer arch over gentoo and I gave you one.

>it's not that bad as debian at least
Sometimes.

I don't see that as a worth reason to use it. Anyway, Gentoo still having more reasons in its favor.
>Sometimes
What do you mean by that?

>I'd really like for GUIXSD to have some of portage's feature set.
That's interesting. I'd really like for NixOS to have the AUR.

>I don't see that as a worth reason to use it.
But some may.

>What do you mean by that?
There are a couple of packages that are hard to maintain for gentoo developers. Some are intrinsically hard to maintain and others are hard to maintain because using external build tools in ebuilds is considered a bug. Those packages are basically obsolete even on ~arch, while are easily up to date in most distros.

>Gentoo still having more reasons in its favor
I'm curious to know your reasons. Just for the sake of chatting, btw... not everything is flame.

Gentoo has some reasons in its favor but Archlinux is well known for its packages: thanks to AUR you can find pretty much anything, and pretty much everything is updated almost immediately. If you're gonna compare Gentoo to Arch you better take the bleeding edge thing into account because I don't care if you don't care, it's basically the most relevant reason to look at that distro in the first place.

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raspbian

void like my soul

>There are a couple of packages that are hard to maintain for gentoo developers
I know, I've seen a few outdated packages since I'm using it, however, personally doesn't bother me, maybe because I don't use too many programs.

>I'm curious to know your reasons
As I said, it's faster than Arch, on my machine at least. It boots up almost immediately and I don't need to use systemd by default, plus I was able to set its kernel.
Portage is amazing, I loved pacman, but this is just amazing. I can compile from source or use a binhost if I need to install a large program. USE flags, I've never had this control over my system before.

It's more stable. That shit about Arch being unstable is a meme, but I had some issues with Hardware acceleration and random reboots, not that often, but I need to tell you. Gentoo just werks.

AUR is great, you can find ANYTHING, that's true, but I have been able to find all the packages I needed on gentoo as well.

install gentoo

Based.

portage is kino

neither because I don't have autism

>neither because I can't install any of them
FTFY

I use them both and they both have their ups and downs.

I enjoy them both but it comes down to personal preference at the end of the day in my view

Does Gentoo verify tarballs?

I stick with an arch base these days. I just don't see any real reason to spend that much fine installing gentoo since I don't have any real need for use flags other than hobby stuff.

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Yes. everything is checked against asc pgp key, that being said it will take forever if you haven't updated in a while but worth it security wise

I've installed them before, that's how I know they suck

Arch is for those whose IQ isn't high enough to install Gentoo.

>user says this also as arch packages are updated that don't check security to make sure no malware wasn't injected into my downloads ffty

/thread

>no open source wifi drivers that work
>graphic driver support is a joke

Gentoo works if you have a desktop and don't mind the long set up process. Gentoo is great if you want full and complete control over your system, that being said 99% of gentoo users are autistically toxic

Being this dumb.

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so you're telling me Arch is anti-democratic and that devs don't give a fuck about most users retarded opinions? thanks for convincing me to use it

>Linux 14.17 kernel ontop of modprobe not even a five year old labtop does it have proper drivers for and you have to work your way around it

In general Arch is better for my case as I can get my drivers working for wireless

>Arch is anti-democratic and that devs don't give a fuck about most users retarded opinions?

This

I got wifi to work on gentoo using this.

sudo rc-update add dhcpcd default

I've tired literally everything even recompling the kernel and using bash /sbin/ work around(s) and nothing worked

I ironically tired debian with a custom kernel that I exported and it worked so I'm not quite sure what the problem is on my labtop. Maybe I'm stupid or missing something

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NSA/systemdick or freedom?

openrc is true freedom

systemd needs to die

MOGGED

*crack
grep SPECK /boot/config-4.17.14_2
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_SPECK is not set

*sip
hey archfags how's going

Gentoo has this enabled by default as well tho

Stanly and No such agency can user 1 access me system there is nothing but memes here

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Linux version 4.17.17-1 (gcc version 8.1.1 20180531 (GCC))

cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/

cat *

This meme needs to die. Systemd is great software, it's open source, and meets ethical requirements of libre principles. rms uses it on his libreboot T400.

I know user I agree with you. From an autistic stand point no one will agree because "muh nsa" if the nsa wanted to get into your system their getting in there is nothing you can do about it unless your airgapped. but systemd is fine for normal operations

*even airgap isn't safe watch out for those israeli's and if they have an android on them

If anyone wants a true "min" zero bloat OS then they need to download templeOS

based Jow Forums bro

nice argument from authority

nice ignoring the main points and only focus on the last point which was not even the primary argument