I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're referring to as Wine, is in fact, DXVK+Wine+esync...

>Jow Forumstard

Jow Forums hates Microsft because it's a bunch of SJW cucks and diversity hires. We want them destroyed.

He's probably /v/

BASED

What are Vulkan titles exactly? I skimmed through Gabe's notes.

if the Windows kernel is such shit and Vulkan is so much better than DirectX, I'm looking forward to seeing benchmarks showing how much better games run in Linux.

>only a 20-30% performance hit on 99.9% of PC games
>and almost no performance hit on the other 0.1%
>and if you play your video games with integrated intel graphics it works great!

yea I'm sure the day of the linux desktop will be happening any day now with those amazing incentives for gamers to switch.

>year is 2020
>linux-based systems are superior in every way and windows users can't argue the games argument anymore
>by 2020 linux-based systems allow for faster gameplay and better multiplayer support, as well as cross-platform support
>windows users are now using the argument of "everyone's more used to windows anyways, why change?"

He's right about the integrated intel graphics though, my $300 gaming rig runs GTA4 at a buttery smooth 10fps on Windows 10 and at 9fps in WINE.

That's only a 10% performance hit!

>incentives for gamers to switch
how about not using windows 10 botnet, nor having to deal with telemetry, ads everywhere, and pajeet design?
how about having whatever rice you want as a desktop?
if you can't see the benefit of abandoning windows over linux, I can't help you there, mate

>we

Actually identifying as Jow Forums outside of Jow Forums

Say it with me, C R I N G E

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Can we use Proton outside of Steam to run Windows games? Would be cool

yes

how about learning to disable the telemetry and ads in W10, not being an autistic ricer, and enjoying your games at double the framerate?

totally
is not proprietary tech
all volvo contributions were added to the project

>We
Honey no why are you doing this
Hell yeah that's awesome

>I got used to get fucked in the ass by pajeetsoft
>everyone passionate about anything is an autist

>disable the telemetry
>W10

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>we
Go back to Jow Forums, old person from Reddit

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>unplug ethernet cable

You got me on that one.

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>implying the windows 10 license works without the heartbeat service check-in daily

>99.9% of pol uses windows

>change is bad
lel fuckin wincucks, why'd they get rid of george bush

>runs slower
>devs will optimize games since they have half of their customers on linux
>will run only 5% slower for the first 5 years
>eventually everything will be native vulkan and run faster on linux

>We

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>being a license cuck
>not cracking the DRM of all your software

that will only happen with future releases, so the ETA on the year of the linux desktop is still at best two decades from now when mid-range gaming PCs can run all the DX11/DX12 exclusive games from this decade perfectly (4K@240hz), finally making WINE's 20-30% performance hit unnoticeable.

it's good to have hope that the distant future of PC gaming won't require the Windows botnet though.

>how about learning to disable the telemetry and ads in W10, not being an autistic ricer, and enjoying your games at double the framerate?
>disabling spyware in a proprietary OS
Good luck with that.

hate me, but this guy is right
FREEDOM = Linux

you could just keep your child porn collection and your archive of top secret hacked government documents on another computer so you wouldn't have to worry about the spyware.

>I am retardeedddddddd

It has because Intel has good linux drivers, as does AMD. The performance hit is worse on NVIDIA.

>I am so retarded I think the devs of every single DX11/DX12 game ever released will patch their games to support Vulkan because Steam made a new WINE frontend

you are the worst type of person

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>works better with integrated intel vulnerabilities and backdoors

>Miok
Wot

>We
>unironically and shamelessly identifying as a Jow Forumstard

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is Gaben gonna end up living innawoods?

Gaben truly is the best.

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>What you're referring to as Wine
you mean steam™

>douche one and douche two

>it is about 20-30% perf hit on directx
into the trash it goes

>I am so retarded I don't even talk about the same thing as people who are talking to me

>I am too retarded to see the connection between the two issues

if DX11/DX12 games run like shit on Linux, nobody is ever going to switch to Linux. it doesn't matter how many new games come out with Vulkan support, there will ALWAYS be thousands of DirectX11 games that run like shit on Linux.

nobody cares, pussy

translation:
>I have lost the argument

you weren't arguing with me and I didn't read your other post. It was just too long and nobody cares

Yeah, that's whey they all use W10.

it was one line, he proved you wrong. dumb redditor.

>
if DX11/DX12 games run like shit on Linux, nobody is ever going to switch to Linux. it doesn't matter how many new games come out with Vulkan support, there will ALWAYS be thousands of DirectX11 games that run like shit on Linux.

vulkan is obviously supported on linux, but the vulkan titles we are referring here are vulkan games (like Doom 2016) where the dev is too stupid (ie: bethesda) to release a proper Linux build
the "translation" from vulkan to proton is almost on the fly

>not even me
oh ok, go back to ledit m8

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, Steam/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Proton Steam plus Linux. GNU/Linux is not a system capable of playing all of the games by itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Steam/Linux system made useful by us Valve and Wine overlords.

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fuck off cringelord

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Since 2016 we have examples of games running on linux with the same performances as if they were running on windows.
Now the problem is that devs do not optimize and don't spend much time doing things for linux, and they don't use crossplatform API too, but let's hope it will change with vulkan

phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Win10-Linux-Vulkan-Early
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pascal-win10-linux&num=4

vulkan vs DX11
Notice it was a benchmark from 2016.

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pajeet's status: ASSBLASTED

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Why all the hate? Which part was wrong?

Fuck, did anyone else just realize that if Gaben made Half-Life 3 only work for Linux, it would cause everyone to switch over as fast as possible, ushering in the YotLD sooner than expected?

They should release half life 3 as a steam OS exclusive

B A S E D

I want to know this too. Also, mozilla pisses me off far more than microshat, they are just sjw diversity faggots taking advantage of poor less informed freetards that don't realize their browser histories are being shipped around the world to keep a 500m private company afloat.

Source ?

in 2015 I thought about something very obvious. A platform to succeed needs to attract gamers. If you just give the same library you can have in another platform, people won't bother. They'll bother if they can :
1- have better performances
2- have exclusive games
3- their main platform is becoming cancer.

For the 3rd point, in this case, windows is filling this role for a lot of people, but I think by dropping windows 7 support and being more annoying with gamers is pushing them to look for alternatives. We must wait and see what's happening in 2020, but I'm pretty sure microsoft will find a way to fuck up again.

For the 1st point, see the problem is devs won't bother doing that for their games cause there isn't enough players on linux.

For the second point, Valve have 3 titles that can make players switch to their OS : Half Life 3, Potal 3 and Left 4 dead 3. It would be stupid from Valve to not use them as a selling argument.

tl;dr : in 2020 Microsoft will screw up with windows 7 and whatever comes after 10, Valve will use this timeline to release actual machines made by them, Release Half life 3, portal 3 and left 4 dead 3 as exclusive (time exclusive at least).

Watch this:
youtube.com/watch?v=qMALm1VthGY
This dude knows his shit, I've looked deeper and found a bunch of other scetchy shit they do, but this video got me started on my own research into it. There are some parts of the sourcecode that are also quite alarming too, check the issues page on github for more info there.

What do you ask from a game that use proprietary API? That's pretty good performance for a new wrapper desu.

>he unironically used the 'i have nothing to hide' argument

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gamers would just install the Ubuntu Windows Store app to play it

I've been trying to push higher-end ogl applications through WSL, not very good results, runs like shit atm, of course, the implementation is purely experimental, and MS doesn't even support any GUI elements through WSL yet. I'm still trying to pass a DPI value to the shitty fake xorg.

>disable the telemetry and ads in W10

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go away obama

you mean vulva

>Vulkan
everyone is missing the point here ― NO MOAR nVIDIA GAYWERKS™

>DX12
>relevant

every single part of gameworks already works on vulkan. No performance impact between OS.

cute slut

>gameworks already works on vulkan

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Every single part of gameworks already works 100% on these platforms via the Unreal engine.

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>works 100%
so the gimping works too?

Yep, it will start dynamically optimizing your tired old GPUs so you can get your wallet ready for this.

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> """optimizing"""

can i use proton on Windows 10?

For what purpose?
Win10 has native directX

isn't it closed source ?

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I actually use wined3d on windows because some of the older games don't work on modern windows or gpu drivers (not quite sure which one is the culprit) because some relied on some fucked up hack that doesn't work anymore.

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do i need to have protonmail account to use proton

>970 on linux offer the same performances as 980ti on windows
Holy shit

But if closed source bother you to the point of wanting to use proton instead of directX on windows, why even use windows at all?

Off topic from the thread, but could Vulkan be used in emulators such as PS2 and Dreamcast?

it just a matter of the emu devs using vulkan instead of whatever they are using to render stuff
every emulator should go vulkan to enjoy the massive perf gains

youtu.be/_Zs1KWEUk6Q
youtube.com/watch?v=sGccOwlDAeI

Turns out someone already did it.