What amazon services do you use?

if the right had their way, bezos wouldn't be able to do this in the first place. it's only possible in a nanny state with a crony capitalist economy.

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>apply for a job
>get hired
>complain about pay
Its like people have no options for employment besides Amazon.

Servers.

I just use amazon prime but dont pay the monthly fee because I mooch off my parents account. Also use twitch, but have never paid real money and if I sub to anyone I just abuse the free amazon prime trial and free twitch prime sub

in bezos' ideal future they might not

to be fair, amazon does pay shit wages for the amount of work expected.

>t. works at a FC

especially when you have a nearly trillion dollar company and they still pay the majority of their workforce less than $15/hr

Working at Amazon as a software engineer is a pretty sweet gig. I did a 4 month internship in Seattle and it seemed pretty cushy, although not as good as at Google.

What's amazing is people honestly believe their base level no skill job is worth decent pay.

>oh man I loaded these packages into this van for 8 hours
>I deserve 40 dollars an hour

Pay is based on the work, not the principle. You want more than 15 an hour, pick up a skill. Not a job that anyone from the street can walk into and do.

Good goy.
The work conditions are still terrible and they have massive turnover because they abuse people and burn them out.
But hey, maybe if you lick those boots some more you'll get your payrise. Who knows, Mr Bezos might be feeling generous this time!

>because they abuse people and burn them out
Their fault for not being able to do anything besides lift and drop.

Even learning basic electronics can get you an A/C warehouse assembly job paying a good bit more.

He is creating half a million jobs, and the one by me pays pretty well (around 14-18 an hour) I heard they do drive you and treat you like slaves. If you run a gigantic company, you will get tons of money, if you don't like it, start your own life changing company that millions of people rely on and pay yourself less.

When the fuck did the right start caring about employer benefits?

>wahhh why can't I live working manual labor alone
>I don't want to develop any skills
>why can't someone just do it for me
liberals.

This is the extent of corporatist brainwashing in America. Absolutely astounding.
Yes, indeed, people should not be allowed livable wages and decent work conditions, now why would we do that? We need those profit margins!

so much this, same guys that want the $15 an hour to make a cheeseburger it took them a couple days to learn how to make...

I heard it's about the same as running a multi-billion dollar company.

>livable wages
No, you should not be allowed a livable wage if you aren't even capable of learning basic SKILLS. Life is not a fucking right, it's a privilage.

>work is worthless
What a shit time to be alive. This goes even beyond what the libertarians wanted.

I'm not a liberal and you're pulling shit out of your ass. Manual labor jobs should provide livable wages and nowhere did I say that someone had to do anything for me.
>Yes Goyim, you're working 8 hours non stop with no bathroom or lunch breaks but we can't pay you any more than these miserable shekels, how will I afford my tenth Lambo otherwise?

It is utterly appalling to me how corporatist and bootlicking Americans have gotten. It's like you enjoy getting fucked in the ass.

Based Bernie sticking out for the proletariat

>work
Manual labor is worthless, Every single able bodied human can do it, and guess what. Theres more popping out every day.

None. I sometimes use Amazon to look up certain things but usually, I buy at Rakuten (used to be buy.com) or compare prices at (((Google))) and buy directly over the seller's website. I also use a separate site to compare prices for buying used books.

>manual labor should provide livable wages
Yup, then the company goes under and they no longer have a job.

L-I-B-E-R-A-L

And why shouldn't you be entitled to a livable wage from working full time, long shifts? Just because it's manual labor? Someone has to do the manual labor, and you would be surprised just how much manual labor there is to do anywhere.
Methinks you're a sheltered city boy who never had any problems in life who is just trolling, or completely retarded.
And before you come projecting your garbage at me, I'm a software developer with a good wage. That doesn't exclude me from wanting fair employment and livable wages for everyone.
But who am I kidding, I'm just talking to another corporate slave from Burgeristan, where people like having the privilege of being abused by multi billion dollar corporations.

>wahhh why can't I make 30 dollars an hour for loading these boxes
>the same pay that a master electrical with 8000 hours of training gets
You are paid for your worth, and you are worth fucking 7.50 an hour.

>Manual labor jobs should provide livable wages
Literally why? Why shouldn't wages be adjusted according to the market, like everything else?

Try making a coherent argument without appealing to feelings about what "feels" right, you fucking socialist fuck.

>One of the largest companies by revenue in the world
>Massive profits all the time
>CEO is the richest man on Earth
BUT GOY, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE YOU MORE SHEKELS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO AFFORD THIS YACHT?

J-E-W B-O-O-T-L-I-C-K-E-R

Easy, you are paid what you believe yourself to be worth.

If you are feeling that you are being underpaid, quit, go find the job that you believe is going to pay you 1 million dollars an hour for you to flip a switch.

>And why shouldn't you be entitled to a livable wage from working full time, long shifts?
Because entitlement is for liberal cucks, and your wage should reflect the market value of what you are doing. If what you're doing is barely worth anything, don't expect the rest of society to pay for your lack of effort.

Because the market has been upset due to globalist and immigration practices that have driven the value of manual labor down the gutter, all so the people at the top can widen their profit margins.
You're right, we should fuck over all the natives in our country and just import millions of third world slaves to drive the value of labor near zero so then it only becomes possible to live like a slave, destroy our culture, society and genetic purity. All so Goldstein can make some more shekels.
BEST GOY AWARD

And why is manual labor worth so little now? Don't stop there, keep thinking. Why have wages been going down consistently while company revenues have increased massively?

It's not society that pays, it's the business that hires you :^)
Don't forget, businesses are not part of society, they're parasites trying to extract as much money from you and everyone else as they can, and they will do everything and anything they can get away with if it means better profit margins, people be damned.

>why is manual labor worth so little now
Because it requires zero skill and anyone can come in and do your job. even a child.

Meanwhile an electrical Engineer requires far more training time, and then specific training based on equipment and field.

Wonder why one makes more than the other.

>Because the market has been upset due to globalist and immigration practices
It's called a free market.

>You're right, we should fuck over all the natives in our country and just import millions of third world slaves to drive the value of labor near zero so then it only becomes possible to live like a slave, destroy our culture, society and genetic purity
We should let the free market decide, instead of socialist regulations.

Again, you are arguing from feelings, not from reason or reality.

conservatives are not libertarians.

>It's not society that pays, it's the business that hires you :^)
The business can hire less people => fewer jobs => the rest of society needs to pick up the bill.

>businesses are not part of society, they're parasites trying to extract as much money from you and everyone else as they can
Nothing wrong with this.

>and they will do everything and anything they can get away with if it means better profit margins, people be damned.
Nothing wrong with it.

Again, you haven't answered the question. Why shouldn't wages reflect the market value of the job you're doing?

The work you're doing has no value. Literally anyone could do it. It will be almost entirely replaced by automation soon.

You're a great goy. Some day Shekelstein will reward your loyalty.

Yeah, that's great. Except I didn't say anywhere that a manual laborer has to or is entitled to earning the same as an electrical engineer, all I said is that jobs that make you work like a slave should provide a livable wage.
Here's a little thought food for ya, how about instead of a few people getting immensely rich, everyone else gets a bigger part of the profit? Not just the manual laborers, but the electrical engineers too.
You've just grown to love the suckers game, be thankful you don't find yourself on the sucker's end for now.
Good bless america.

>Every single able bodied human can do it

>jobs that make you work like a slave
No, if you are trying to live off of no effort you don't deserve to live.

Let people like you work yourself to death, humanity will be all the better off for it.

>based burgers subsidizing my online purchases through their taxes

Because it creates a situation where people have to live like indentured slaves just to pay the bills.
If you think this is okay, I'm afraid this conversation is over.
Just don't forget that as the 0.1% becomes richer and richer and the rest gets poorer, eventually it will affect you significantly too. Just pray it isn't soon enough.

>You're a great goy. Some day Shekelstein will reward your loyalty.
Socialist antisemitism is not a real argument. You still haven't made a single case based in reason why wages shouldn't reflect market value, all you're doing is crying about "muh heritage" and demanding government handouts, which is basically the dindu approach.

Please provide one (1) argument for why wages shouldn't reflect the market value.

Again, who said anything about living off of no effort? Manual labor takes effort.
Honestly, I think you're either extremely young, naive and misguided or just outright trolling.
No person with more than double digit IQ can honestly believe this is a good thing.

Manual labor requires no effort.

So? You prefer having to pay more in taxes to cover their cost of living because their employers don't?

Surely it's be better if the baseline (i.e. for work that "anyone could do") was a decent wage that actually covered the cost of living. All other pay scales would rise accordingly too. Right now you have ridiculous income inequality because everything is skewed to the top and corporations do everything they can to avoid paying taxes.

>Because it creates a situation where people have to live like indentured slaves just to pay the bills.
Or they can make an effort and either learn a skill or trade or innovate and start a new business. Friendly reminder that the society doesn't "owe" you anything.

>If you think this is okay, I'm afraid this conversation is over.
I think market forces should reign free, yes. Competition forces innovation, as proven over and over again by history.

>Just don't forget that as the 0.1% becomes richer and richer and the rest gets poorer, eventually it will affect you significantly too
That's literally because of government regulations though, the very thing you are arguing we should have more of.

>you care to pay more in taxes
Odd, I've always gotten the exact amount of money in my tax return as I've placed into my taxes. Really strange how you assume I'm paying anything.

Because the market has been tampered with and there is no real free market, it's all an illusion. When things reach an extreme, like now, there is nothing people can do to better their situation.
A competitor to Amazon that pays their workers livable wages wouldn't be able to survive, Amazon would buy them out or kill them by outbidding their contractors and providers.

You live in an oligarchy but think you live in a free market, and you actually enjoy it.
Here's another one for you, because there should be a set of standards that respect people's health and well being.
Because I want a society full of happy, prosperous people, that aren't so held back by debt that they can share, work together and live better. Because I want to feel part of something greater than just a money making machine for a jew at the top.

t. has never done manual labor in his entire life

>Manual labor takes effort.
Literally anyone can walk in to a warehouse and start working, how the fuck does it require any effort?

>b-b-but muh physical effort
By that logic, athletes should be the highest paying profession because they make the most physical effort.

You're a moron.

>has never done manual labor
Because I understand that to make it anywhere in life you need to make yourself worth something. And Manual labor is worth nothing.

>You live in an oligarchy but think you live in a free market, and you actually enjoy it.
I actually don't think we live in a free market, no. Nice strawman.

>wahhh why can't I make 20 dollars an hour flipping a burger or stocking a shelf
>I don't want to put in effort to better myself
Literally you and everyone who preaches the exact same shit.

>>wahhh why can't I make 20 dollars an hour flipping a burger or stocking a shelf
>tfw made about $23/hour delivering pizzas
feels good not being a burger

>Or they can make an effort and either learn a skill or trade or innovate and start a new business. Friendly reminder that the society doesn't "owe" you anything.
This would be great if it wasn't a sucker's game. Someone has to do the manual labor, so for every person that learns a skill, someone has to take their spot to do that manual labor. Automation that will eliminate all manual labor isn't ready yet, so again tell me why should large amounts of people be forced to live in deplorable conditions just so a few jews can make more shekels.

As for market regulations, the problem is that the government is rotten to the core, every politician is in the pockets of the oligarchs, so all regulation that is pushed either openly or subterfugiously benefits corporations and not people.
There needs to be a complete reestructuration of society and government management to cut this cancer from the root.
As for your so feared regulations, places like Europe have plenty of regulations and worker's protection and they're doing just fine.

Physical effort is still effort.
And no, athletes should not be the highest paid proffession (though they actually kind of are) because athletes don't produce any value, commodities or services.
Did you forget already how many millions of dollars basketball, soccer, etc players make?

Strawman. As I already said, it's a zero sum game. Someone has to do the manual labor, why shouldn't they have fair living conditions and wages?

>make $23 an hour deliviering pizza
You forgot to mention you lived in New York.

>Government regulations are at fault for monopolies

t. Goldberg getting the wallet ready to buy out any competitors that might arise to protect his monopoly

>someone has to do the manual labor
No, The thing about jobs is they are OPTIONAL.

You choose to do that job, you choose to do it for that pay, you choose to spend your time there. It's an option.

Iceland actually
strong unions along with a 60% surcharge on weekend and night work works out pretty nicely

>what is the populist right that trump champions?
being a conservative and a libertarian is not the same thing.
you can be pro free market, but not 100% capitalist.

Oh right, I forget you have the option to starve. How great.
You do realize, you drooling mongoloid, that if all manual laborers stopped doing any of it there would be lots of problems?
Or do you think that overnight there would be some magical machines that would appear out of thin air to replace those people?

>iceland
>makes 23 an hour
>a 3USD burger costs 15-20 dollars
Fucking kek, just like Australia.

>the option to starve
You do, life isn't a right, and it's not my job to carry your ass with MY money.

>if all the manual labor stopped
It would just be replaced by machines, like 80% of the industry already has been.

all

Again, it's not your money, it's Goldstein's money.
As it is right now, lots of people who work these jobs with non livable wages actually are on food stamps and other government handouts. Which means that you are, in fact, carrying their ass with your money. Because you'd rather pay that yourself, than have Shekelberg do it.
Best goy award.

why do fat american use burger as unit of measurement? is it because you are so fat? hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Gillum, the black communist running for florida governor, wants to do this.

depends on where you shop
fucking tourists make everything expensive, especially eating out
but that's easily a livable wage, you don't require public assistance unlike many minimum wage earners in burgerland

>it's not your money
IT IS MY MONEY! Do you not realize that, you are saying a person woh makes more money should pay some of that money to someone below them.

If I make 50 an hour, you are now telling me that I hvae to give 10 of it to a person below me. You are a fucking socialist. You believe that everyone should all make the exact same amount of money no matter their skill or the amount of work they do.

They don't. They care about people being on welfare.

See, this is where you're wrong.
You make 50 an hour, but Goldstein makes 100000000 an hour. We wouldn't need to take a cut from your salary to pay better wages to workers.
And that's a strawman, I don't think everyone should make the exact same amount of money no matter what, you said that, not me. All I ask for is livable wages and fair working conditions.
If in your mind that means that everyone should earn the same amount of money, I'm afraid you might have a case of the 60IQs.

If we didn't have social security, welfare, food stamps etc. You would get robbed.

Those systems are in place to keep desperate people from literally taking your shit.

>many of his employees are so poor
I doubt they get less than $15k/yr, kek

Most of them except Alexa. What sort of absolute faggot would install an always listening meme tiny speaker?

>tourist
No one tours Iceland, don't kid yourself. You make a lot of money but pay more for everything too.

>Levi 501 jeans in 40US USD
>Levi 501 jeans in Iceland 135 USD

>2018 corolla base in US- 19K USD
>208 corollba bse in Iceland 35K USD

>You believe that everyone should all make the exact same amount of money no matter their skill or the amount of work they do.

Imagine being this retarded.
This is the absolute state of burgercuck corporate bootlickers.
OFF WITH THE FORESKIN, ON WITH THE SLAVERY

>see it's different person X makes more so he should do it
And when he has no money, or makes the same as a person below him what them, Make them both pay? Then what, the next 3, then 4, 5, 6, 100, 1000.

Don't even fucking try to walk your way out of this you fucking socialist scum.

Amazon.

>get robbed
>by 75 year old man who could barely walk

So you believe that an engineer at raytheon should make a few pennies more than a burger flipper.

Please fucking die.

So why are we paying their welfare?

>No one tours Iceland, don't kid yourself
uhh, pic related
everything is more expensive but not nearly to the extent your examples wold suggest
especially not basic things like rent and groceries which are the biggest part of your paycheck

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He won't, because the way things work money isn't linearly distributed. The people at the top accumulate the vast majority of it.
You are too stupid to realize that if we forced the largest corporations in the world with the largest revenues in the world to pay fair salaries we would only make things better for everyone.
>B-BUT IF JEFF BEZOS HAS TO PAY FAIR WAGES HE WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD ANOTHER YACHT THIS IS SOCIALISM AND THEFT
Meanwhile Johnny McNormie has to work 8 hours without breaks, no medical insurance, no vacation and no future prospects just to be able to not starve to death.
THIS IS AMERICA

Basically, you're a stupid as fuck goy who loves corporate cock down his throat.

>$15/hour
I would take it if I get decent/full time hours. It beats getting stuck with $10/hour jobs with shit hours. No one will hire me for a tech job anyways so at least I could have the false of moving up into a dev position. i just dont want to be hungry anymore

>2 million people for the entire nation
>meanwhile NYC had 60 million

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>So you believe that an engineer at raytheon should make a few pennies more than a burger flipper.

Nope, I didn't say that. You did.
Stop with the strawmans, buddy.
And more like get robbed by Jamal & Co who don't give a fuck about you and have nothing to lose. If anything prison will be an improvement because they'll have food and shelter.

>the people at the top
Yes as it should be, those people knew hot to market it, how to make it, how to develop it, how to move it.

Unlike you, who pushed a button for 8 hours and cries.

Social security pays for people with disabilities as well, not just retirees.

>$15/hrisnt a livable wage

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>litteraly has no feet to stand up
>only knows "strawman" before he dropped out of his college rhetoric course to work as a fast food maker

>getting robbed by a man in a wheel chair
You earned it