--> Quick Questions Quick Replies Why would I want a NAS/Homeserver? If you ask why then you don't need it.
>I want a NAS/HTPC/Plex what should I get? RPi3 or Odroid XU4/HC1. Odroid upper models has USB 3 and USB bus separated from the Ethernet one.
>B-But muh ARM Then check the onboard x86 like J4105B-ITX, J4205B-ITX or J4205-ITX. All of them have SATA and USB 3.
>What's the best [software] for doing [ask]? Specify you question and elaborate. If you want help put something from your side.
>Which disk is better for my homeserver? Seems like Green WD are not sold nowadays. So WD Reds are okay for the price if you want "NAS Drvies". Otherwise HGST and Toshiba are your friends.
Started building my own. Currently using OpenMediaVault FTP/Samba + docker plugin w/NextCloud + Syncthing. I'll add more stuff as soon as I learn how to use them. Specs: - Athlon Phenom x255 4GB RAM - 320GB I had for the OS - 2*4TB EXT4 for Shows and Movies - 1*2TB EXT4 for Music+Photos from my main PC + backup from phones.
Currently I don't have a good PSU, just a generic one, nor a UPS which ones are good to have? here the electric grid goes down more often than not
Brandon Bell
ComfyOP, how are the pastas going? In need of an update, you know...
Joseph Rivera
Got a wee supermicro box on order for a pfsense box. Once it's arrived and setup I'll be ordering a the Supermicro mini tower (same one ixsystem use for the freenas boxes) to begin building my home server.
Would an 8350 suffice in running a few game servers for my friends? I'm just wanting to run some things like Minecraft, Arma 3 Exile, Call of Duty 4, Mumble... etc.
Julian Rodriguez
I would honestly just rent a cheap server from someone who specialises in that shit than bother putting together my own. Then you don't have to worry about building an actual server, power bills or worrying about uptime.
But if it's just you and a few friends, that chip will be plenty if you do build your own.
Jace Kelly
anything over 2133 is an OC, they are just putting that on their so they don't get sued.
Carson Stewart
>£350 Da fuck? You can get the 4port celeron boxes for about £100 of gookexpress
Noah Perry
yes, power consumption is not great but the make decent value servers.
Kayden Murphy
The problem is they're gookboxes, so cheap shit. Usually with realtek nics and celerons without AES-NI which will be a requirement with future releases of pfsense. Supermicro also comes with long life cycle support and ipmi which makes low level headless remote management a piece of piss.
Kayden Davis
The 4 port Qotom Celeron boxes commonly use a Celeron without AES-NI (J1900). The more recent four port uses a 3215U which is only a dual core, also without AES-NI. It has no IPMI so low level management is then needed to be performed over serial. They also have no specific life cycle. You have to return them back to the Chink seller instead of an actual company. There's a reason they're so cheap.
They'll work fine for currently existing pfsense versions. But if you want AES-NI, which will be a future requirment, if you want established company support with a long life cycle, if you want low level remote management over a dedicated network port, they're not good at all.
>4 port Qotom About those, since they don't have SATA, are they inferior to those itx motherboards with SATA, since they only have USB3 and LAN?
Ayden Perez
Don't they have mSATA?
Ryan Miller
The point of building a server in the first place is to have total control over your hardware. The learning experience is nice benefit too. Not to mention you can use a home server for several different things concurrently. I suppose you can do that through renting as well but from my understanding they mostly just rent you a VM that runs the game server.
Fuck that shit.
Samuel Jackson
I would like to backup my desktop and laptop PCs' files to a home server, based on a onboard x86. I live in Ireland so I'm limited to Amazon.co.uk.
I'm only backing up work files, nothing too fancy. I'm looking at backing up no more than a few TBs.
All those listed above come with PFsene preinstalled. They all use Intel NICs which are preferred for pfsense. However, two are J1900 and one is the 3215U. Neither of those chips come with AES-NI, which you want for encryption (and will be a future requirement for pfsense). No headless low level remote management except on the one with the COM port, for which you will need to buy the respective serial cable instead of just using ethernet in the case of IPMI. They provide their drivers for download through dropbox. The only place they sell is on aliexpress. No idea on product life cycles.
Levi Jackson
what do you use as a firewall appliance, and what do you run on it?
thinking about replacing my edgerouter x with a pfsense appliance, but I can't find one that's rack mountable that I like
tfw no palo alto
Lincoln Ross
Find an Atom/Celeron/Pentium board and put it in a 1u yourself...
Just make sure whatever chip you decide on has AES-NI for future pfsense support. Also, a lot of the Atom/Celeron/Pentium boards, check pcie lanes. No point buying a board with only 1x pcie lane when you've a NIC card that's 4x or something.
Logan Hall
Oh. And try and get a board/add-on card with Intel NICs too.
Ian Morales
If you've got a rack, what about getting just a regular shelf for it? Then put your modem and something like the pcengines box on it (or some other small box).
Asher Fisher
i could do that, but the apu2c4 box seems a bit anemic looking forward.
could do that too, just trying to avoid chinesium shit... you can actually get older HP thin clients with pci slots for add in nics and used them as pfsense boxes. i guess i'm just having a hard time making up my mind
gotta buy a ups too... sigh
Aaron Harris
>could do that too, just trying to avoid chinesium shit.
Look at industrial boxes and IOT gateway products from big name manufacturers. Supermicro. Tyan. Jetway. Even gigayte and Asus do hardware for it. The problem is while it might have some of the hardware you need, other times it misses out. Jetway for example has loads of celeron based products, but often without AES-NI and using Realtek NICS (which are awful).
They have two rackmount options, with AES-NI Celerons. But the NICs are Realtek. And only one of them supports expansion which is x1, not x4. So you'd be limited to 1 additional NIC at full speed.
The best I've found is supermicro. A whole range of products that meet different levels of hardware needs.... the downside is, upfront spending. The box I ordered in is expensive. But it's for a home network. Not a business use. It will most likely survive as the main point of entry into my home network for years. Provided the PFsense lot don't release a future version that requires some function the box doesn't have.
Isaiah Sanchez
I'm getting a desktop with 16gb ddr3 and an i5 4570. Anything I should do in particular with it? I've already got another server with 16gb ddr4 and an i5 6600k, and I use that for apache, bots, game servers etc
Aaron Morgan
I have been salivating over the supermicro router chassis (505-203B) but it's like $700 for the chassis+mobo alone... haha nope
i agree with you that the realtek nics are a dealbreaker, I had a zotac zbox c323 nano with dual nics but unfortunately they were realtek so I ended up returning it to microcenter, lol
Robert Long
so freefilesync isnt so smart or atleast optioned enough to allow me to merge version files in to their respective folders as i have many copies of the same folder with different versions of the file in different directories. what would be the best way of merging folders of the same name?
Quad core atom with AES-NI. 1x IPMI NIC for remote low level management. 4 Intel GbE NICs. 1x PCIe 2.0 x8 (so plenty for an additional 4 port x4 NIC card).
The only concerns I would have about that would be the C2 series bug.
So long as you get a box with a fixed chip, it shouldn't be a problem.
Brandon Price
the n3150's are just as common/cheap and support aes-ni. Management can be done over ethernet and you're paying 1/3 he cost, if you are worried about shelf life, buy two and set up redundancy.
Realtek nics aren't really that bad these days, 1/2% extra cpu overhead from what i've seen, placebo difference. how often you going to be using an IMPInterface for that to be worth it? pf sense is set and forget, if you need to change anything ssh in or use the gui.
Doesn't matter either way, just throwing some alternatives at you, me personally - gookbox>netgate>byob>that supermicro box
Dylan Wright
>the n3150's are just as common/cheap and support aes-ni. Not in Qotom they're not.
>Management can be done over ethernet and you're paying 1/3 he cost, if you are worried about shelf life, buy two and set up redundancy. Not low level management. You need serial or IPMI for that.
>Realtek nics aren't really that bad these days They're fucking shit. CPU overhead is just one problem. Instability is the bigger problem.
Gookboxes are fine if you want cheap. But they're cheap for a reason.
Justin Young
Literally any brasswell, apollo, gemini, kaby can be used, they are common
>Not low level management. You need serial or IPMI for that. tf you managing on a pfsense box? It's not a server, it's a router.
>They're fucking shit. CPU overhead is just one problem. Instability is the bigger problem. Okay, mate, I'm out. Enjoy your buyers remorse.
>Literally any brasswell, apollo, gemini, kaby can be used, they are common NOT IN QOTOM WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU BLITHERING CHUCKLE FUCK. You have to go find some other Chink manufacturer to find those.
>tf you managing on a pfsense box? It's not a server, it's a router. Low level headless remote management. Exactly. It's a router. BIOS updating and firmware flashing can be done at low level and headlessly over serial or IPMI, without needing to hook up a keyboard and monitor, because PFSense doesn't support flashing your original fucking hardware unless it's fucking Netgate hardware. All you have to do is type the IP to the IPMI interface, or connect via serial cable and you can now manage low level updates, reboots, shutdowns, et cetera and deal with problems without having to connect a monitor and keyboard. The only people who don't understand how great the IPMI feature is, are people who've never used it.
>Okay, mate, I'm out. Enjoy your buyers remorse. Look at every fucking post on every fucking thread recommending fucking hardware on the fucking pfsense and netgate forums. The recommended nics are Intel. With threads full of comparisons of throughput and stability testing.
Fucking gormless cunt. The only people who use Realtek NICs are fucking NEETs whose parents buy hardware for them.
Kevin Russell
What is available in Qotom? If you got no free choice to begin with, let's start there.
Only a dual core though. But six LANs on the back and a COM port for low level management on the front. How well a dual core would handle 6 LANs at full tilt I dunno. AES-NI support.
>They're fucking shit. CPU overhead is just one problem. Instability is the bigger problem. is this 2011?
Camden Brooks
Anyone used M$ advanced threat protection? I wanna play around with it but my work/personal accounts aren't eligible for the trial.
Alexander Carter
He's right. There's a reason that just about every server, firewall appliance and IOT device worth a damn uses Intel NICs. Usually Realtek NICs are devoted to the IPMI interface on higher spec hardware because they're cheap. Even AMD consumer boards are starting to carry Intel NICs on the high end, rather than Realtek. The Opteron H8DG6-F board I had several years ago used dual Intel NICs while the IPMI port was Realtek. The ASUS KGPE-D16 from the same era used a dual Intel NIC setup with a Realtek NIC for the IPMI. It continues today, because Realtek aren't particularly good. They're perfectly fine for cheap shit and consumer grade. But Intel continues to rule the high end because they're simply better, from the hardware, to the drivers and software.
Carson Jenkins
I salvaged an old office desktop for media pc and server use. I'm just downloading Xubuntu for it. At first I want something simple like having an access to my files from other devices on the LAN and also over internet, remote access (SSH) and maybe even a web server for some really light stupid pages. What should I look for next? Own cloud perhaps?
Ryder White
yeah but get ssh set up properly with keyfiles first
>he cant afford to allocate 26GB ram and 14 vCPUs to his firewall
Grayson King
I have a new AM3+ board in the box and an 8350, which apparently is a cut down opteron. Should I get 6x 4TB hard drives and build a NAS to share or would it be to inefficient?
Brody Roberts
>all of my shitty consumer chips are just cut down enterprise chips
Brody Reyes
The 8350 actually supports ECC memory though, a regular i7 can't do that unless you get the slow ass xeon that isn't even overclockable.
And your shitty chip doesnt support multiple sockets
Liam Ross
just use a laptop lmao
Brandon Gutierrez
Out of curiosity, is anyone running a ganoolinux hs from a USB flash?
Hunter Richardson
Pretty good little boxes, imo. Server grade parts, just toss in a few Red's and a copy of Freenas and your set. Power Draw ain't to shabby either. Got two of them. The beefier of the two has 16GB ram and 5x6TB in a Raid Z1 (got backups so if "shit happens" I ain't fucked).
