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Everyone here is a fucking NEET. What the fuck is your shitty general going to work?

>specialize in linux, RHCE
>can only find jobs at managed hosting platforms or "devops" meme jobs that require 5+ years of kubernetes experience
working in managed hosting is awful.
you have to track and bill customers for every 15 minutes you spend, so your boss keeps a daily "productivity score" based on the percentage of hours you use on customers.

I wish these were the 80s and I could just fart around doing basic admin shit at a company being treated like a magical wizard while being paid an outrageous salary instead of just getting "better than windows sysadmins but not by much" pay.

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I'm studying electronics. Does that count? I usually see the phrase "Tech career" referring to software.

Is being a Physics student with self taught tech skills a minus when applying to dev positions, or the same as being a compsci one?

Do you have the skills they want for the job? Yes? Then everything else -physics, compsci, soft skills, whatever- is bonus.

1/2

>Failed out of a math degree with a focus on computer science.
>Kicked out of the military due to medical issues after basic training but before finishing training for data network administration.
>21 years old, no degree, no real job experience.
>Get basic ops center job with contracting company for cell phone company (subsidiary of Microsoft), spend first ~3 months just manually performing operations on cell phones to check service health from user perspective.
> $15/hour in Palo Alto.
>Spend next couple months following written SOPs for resolving petty alarms and occasionally helping draft communications about outages.
>Eventually get shifted to the 12-hour night shift. Now getting overtime, effectively $16.66 per hour average. Still same stuff.
>Responsibility for compiling reports falls into my lap, process requires ridiculous manual effort.
>Learn Excel. Reduce reporting workload from 8 hours/week to 1 hour/week.
>After less than a year on night shift, become 'shift lead' in charge of myself and one guy in India.
>Raise to $18/hr base.
>Only contractor shift lead among the 4 shifts, the rest are Microsoft FTEs
>6 months or so later, they are looking to hire a 4th FTE shift lead to do basically my job.
>Apply. Get the position.
>Raise from ~31K/yr with no benefits to ~85k/yr with 100% covered healthcare and extensive other benefits.
>Get more familiar with our ticketing system's database while working on reports, eventually start using the ticketing system's extensibility features to do things like automate correlation and update ticket status when all alarms have cleared.
>Get a better understanding of the business.
>Start learning C# and Visual Studio (which seems absurdly easy when compared to my experience with C++, gcc, and gdb in college)

2/2
>Realize that the operations center I'm working at is inevitably going to be shitcanned. Plan to GTFO for another operations center at Microsoft up at headquarters.
>Already know all the tools they use (including corporate-internal), they're looking for someone who can help with reporting and app development.
>Interview is mostly shooting the shit with a few managers and discussing corporate and team strategy. Get the job no problem.
>Become 'crisis manager' in major operations center.
>Year or so later, org pivots to focus on engineering for whatever reason. Learn more C#. Develop application to assist with the team's standard procedures.
>Making solid 6 figures by this point.
>Next year, org is absorbed by the ever-expanding juggernaut that is Azure.
>Finally get the switch from "Service Operations" to "Software Engineering" after ~2 years of spending more time on code than anything else.
>Now working site reliability engineering on a completely internal tool that no customer has any reason to know exists, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
>30 years old, no degree, only have really worked at one company
>~150k/yr with bonus counted. This year they surprised me with an extra $40k in stock vesting over 4 years, probably because Google and Amazon are poaching Azure engineers left and right.

I might be able to get a higher salary job hopping but it's just so much effort. If I have advice, it's that if you generate more value than you're paid for, they'll want to keep you around, and if you generate less value than you're paid for, they'll want to get rid of you. Find a sweet spot and try to keep both of those values going up at the same time. I guess if I have any advice for new graduates, it's that the instant after you're hired, nobody gives a shit about your degree; people only care about what you can do for them. I've had a good laugh with my team at a new hire trying to throw around their top tier school degree on an email argument.

I work in production support for a large enterprise virtualization company. so many sysadmins are fucking idiots.

electronics has a lot of software overlap these days, im an ee major and ive only ever done software development after graduating. although id imagine diy has more people well versed in it than g.

Oh, forgot to mention: Read Time Management For Systems Administrators. Nothing else has helped my career nearly as much.

>went to university
>got my bachelor's
>got an internship
>got a job

Data scientist worth it yes or no?

I've been a neet for 11 years and I have a GED. How do I get a tech job?

ITHD, hardware support, basic sysadmin jockey here for government.
Not too challenging. Pays well.

If you in any way consider tech a hobby or interesting outside of a work environment, then don't get a job in it.

The tech is cool, but the users and management will suck the soul out of you before long unless you luck out and get a very good employer.

At Macca's?

I worked for 2 years as line 1 tech support. My advice for anyone working in this is to quit and do anything else with your life while you still can.

I need advice desu.
>postgrad in economics
>worked 5 jobs in 3 years after leaving as a corporate fag in accounts, a business analyst at a management consultancy doing tech consulting, a risk analyst in financial markets, a recruiter, a product manager at a startup.
>had a problem with my employer at the last startup and had a legal battle
>went back to uni to learn how to code
>dropped out of c.s. to start a startup
>learnt very minimal python and the standard html,css,js
>have been working on this startup for 8 months and made no money

I have no idea what I can do after this. I was thinking I might be able to get a job as a product manager but when I was a product manager the first time around it was for a shady small MSP provider. I am out of money and burnt the fuck out. Halp.

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Trips of truth. I work on aws, make a wage that most plumbers would laugh at, and basically work 24/7/365.

Nope. Programming in the Bay Area.

Why not look for jobs in fintech?

Look for a 'data scientist' job, if you can stats you can probably mouth breath your way through it

thats an interesting idea. I feel like I can't make products very well but I understand enough to be able to make something out of open source software and some small scripts. I love product development and getting things to market and seeing how users interact etc. But I have no idea how to get into it. I am also stuck in a mega shitty small town.

Im making 75k as a data analyst at 23 with a CS degree.
Am i doing okay? I live in NJ.

You're all gonna get replaced by pajeets

No negotiate your way to 105k next time, you're woefully underpaid. The median salary for a data analyst is 110k

Have you tried for pm positions in big companies?

I mean its tier 1 out of 3. Im also not really in a high cost of living area.
How do I negotiate my way? Its a small company and theres only one other guy on my team whos a complete retard.

>small company
There's your problem. You are basically doing more work then you should be AND you get the peanut prices for it. I suggest moving to Arizona, we have a booming economy, low cost of living and data scientists are needed everywhere.

>23
>median salary
Kys nigger.

Look in the Bay Area. There's an entire neighborhood of San Francisco that's all made up of finance companies, and they're all looking for people who know finance and/or programming. Look at fintech startups. Heck, if you're crazy, look in the blockchain space. There's still plenty of money there.

Dont say "kys" This aint

Who will hire me to work with Linux when I have zero professional Linux or IT experience?

I do have 12 years as an electronics repair tech

Lol @ (You)
If you aren't making median in tech it's because you picked up somewhere

How bad is the ageism in tech?

*fucked up

> What ... is ... going to work?
> What
I believe the word you were looking for is 'How'.
Also, not everyone here is a NEET.

i fix cameras for a living

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Anyone have a specific Canon DSLR or Lens Service Manual they wanna see?

>Also, not everyone here is a NEET.

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I mean the only solution cant just be move to Arizona

When can i expect to make the median?

Took tomorrow off work to go camping over the weekend. Too bad you only have meme images and webms to mock people as a coping mechanism for your inadequacies. You'll get out of the basement some day, champ. Some...day.

>When can i expect to make the median?

governing.com/gov-data/ages-of-workforce-for-industries-average-medians.html

"In 2012, the median age for all workers employed nationwide was 42.3 years."

>be 18
>senior high school, studying software development
i recently landed a part time job at some company as an IT and software developer. i plan to keep this part time job up until i finish college so that's 5 years of experience after i graduate. i do mostly infrastructure, platform and security jobs compared to programming at work but i still study programming the most and am planning to go with computer science for college

any tips on what i should do and look out for?

Thanks user. I think im doing pretty well then for my age.

How do I not be an idiotic sysadmin then?

Let me guess, you are their "admin assistant" right?

I'm not any good at coding. Something along the lines of repairing computers appeals to me. I have no skills but I'm willing to learn. I want a stable career that's gonna be in demand for the next 20-30 years. Do I have any future in tech?

>Just get into manufacturing

Since you're getting picked up young, you need to be working closely and regularly who will blow your mind and kick your ass (and who you like) actually good senior dev talent. I've seen too many like you pick up shit habits in university and never break out if them at the place they've grown complacent in.
The biggest reason I reject applicants to my team is because they never had a mentor to make their unknown unknowns become known unknowns. They aren't even aware how terrible they are. They've just gotten away so long with it.
Fucking good for you though, lad. Good luck out there. If you can surround yourself with a good team, it's a fantastic job.

Sorry I butchered that post. Fucking can't be bothered so proofread this high. Sorry.

im making 17k as a janitor at 27 with a high school diploma. Your doing really good.

My older cousin did the same thing. He became a certified electrician in his late 20's or early 30's.

anyone other aussie studying cyber security here? the government is basically BEGGING for more people to do it.

anyone here work on NOC?

why the fuck is this job so piss easy and boring
shit this job feels like certs central since most of the time youre studying for new certs

>everyone is me
kek

> Blog about your job!
I have 5 different PMs on me who want their projects be ready at Monday and nobody is willing to reflect that in MS Project for some reason.

The most expensive one

What would make me hate studying computer science in college?

Honestly have no cleu what the fugg to do in my life. So mind as well do CompSci, right?

Have Background in CMSA and CCNA as well.

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There's a company in town (not hiring) that makes CAD software and here I am making bullshit web frontends

I mean I like making money and my boss is cool but I want work that actually gets the loins going

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Data center services technicians are going to be in demand for quite awhile. That work is mostly going to be things like drive and other parts replacements on servers, running network and power cabling, preventative maintenance on generators and coolers, and almost all of it will be following checklisted standard operating procedures or acting on instructions from remote teams on a phone call. Not exactly rocket science, but very necessary hands-on work that isn't going away. Giant cloud providers are just running dozens of data centers all over the world; the need for people physically on site working with hardware does not go away. If that appeals to you, you definitely have a future in tech; get your A+ and/or start apprenticing as an electrician or HVAC specialist as the first steps toward getting into that field.

See

To be honest, I spent an embarrassing portion of my time working in operations centers writing fanfiction.

Some NOC jobs are complete dead-ends, but if you can develop the skills to build tools that automate parts of what you (and the other people in the NOC) are already doing, then you might be able to gtfo to the next level up while leaving an *even more boring* job for the guy who replaces you. That's a win-win, right?

I'm making 110k as a software engineer in Australia with 6.5 years of exp. Is this OK?

If you aren't making at least 150k at age 21 you pretty much failed at life

should I go plumber or carpentry?

Anyone have a job doing interesting C++ work?

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>I work on aws, make a wage that most plumbers would laugh at, and basically work 24/7/365.
Nooooooooo! Why? I'm a junior sysadmin working with Winblows Server 2003-2016 most of the time and I'm so done with it. Gonna get my VMware Certified Professional next month and I will tackle LPIC-1 & 2 after that. My plan was to dive deep into the shit that no 1st-Level-Asshole ever gets to see and where you find no GUIs. Please tell me you were kidding, user. I must go there!

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I'm a 25 year old software engineer with 4 years of experience making 90k in the southeast. Low cost of living, very comfy salary and plenty of room to grow. Work mostly with C# and SQL, but I also know front end development (vanilla JS, jQuery, HTML, CSS) well enough to get by, also Java and a few scripting languages (PowerShell, bash, cmd), Docker, git and TFS. This is my second actual software engineering job, I got into this field 2 years ago (although I worked in the software field before). How am I doing and where do I go from here?

>lel median salary starting anywhere I want lel
Kys nigger

So I started in a shithole in the northern U.S. and taught myself frontend webdev, got a pretty successful personal business going for 3 years to try to get enough to get into college. I've stuck to standards and got a pretty good hold of the MERN stack, and am thinking it might be better to try to land a job instead now though. Everything I look at says you've got to have a degree in compsci before they'll even consider your application.

Should I be focusing on getting into college first, or is it enough to just have a portfolio that's pretty decent? Trying to decide if I should be taking the time applying to jobs or not.

how do USfags earn so much money doing these IT jobs?
in the UK I'll be lucky to get £30k as a software engineer

I am start working in Microsoft Enterprise support related job next week. What should I expect? They seem nice and it's like 40k€ a year.

>will*

Whatever you do do not accept any job for PHP. If you do that's basically the same as throwing all your garbage into the ocean.

What the murricans will tell you is supply and demand bullshit.

The truth is that our country is castrated by the big bosses who woefully underpay all skilled jobs. They claim its taxes but I know a few at the top of their field and they all say its bullshit.

I'm too much of a brainlet for Computer Science so should I major in IT?

Why not look at both? Apply for college if you're close to application deadlines, but apply to a bunch of webdev job postings. Sure, some employers will ignore you without a degree, but with a sizable portfolio I'm sure you can get a job somewhere.

how is this even a career in this day and age

what area of the world are you in?

Be prepared to have customers angry at you over things you have no ability to control.

I did precisely this
it sort of worked out
i got mostly helldesk jobs / "it support specialist" (helldesk+tech basically) until i landed a pc tech then network analyst then software analyst job.

Do consulting. Preferably with big tech consulting firms. You won’t get rich, but they pay a reasonable wage and you get to travel, if that’s your thing.

I would take any IT jobs at this point. I just wanna make enough money so I can move out of my shit apartment.

I work in a large tech company - at first I actually put in some work - now I only copy paste code from the internet around and change little bits.

depends where you live
for me it was
>community college
>helldesk internship
>finish 2 yr degree; get hired by company that provided internship
>stay there until pc tech position opens up
>stay there until all techs/helldesk get outsourced
>get a job with the company that they outsourced to (i was the only tech to do this successfully. one helpdesk guy managed to as well.)
>get kicked out on day 89 of my 90 day probationary period; they told me they had to get rid of all the people from the old guard (helpdesk dude was fired a month ago or so)
>do nothing for a bit
>do "consulting" via headhunters / recruiting agencies; mostly short contracts, few weeks
>land one long term (18 month) contract
>still on that
we'll see how it goes

How do I get a part time job that's tech related?

I've just started back at community college this summer, going for an associates in server administration there, got 1,800 in scholarships which pay for 3 quarters basically so I'll pocket about 2,000 in grants. Otherwise I would have sucked it up, passed calc finally and went back to state university, and took out more loans. Instead I'm getting the associates, then transferring to local private school with abet accreditation for b.s. in info. systems with a focus on networking.

I'm trying so hard to keep myself motivated, and I've been doing so much better than the last 3 years where I drank a half gallon of vodka every night hoping not to wake up the next day, and still managed to hold down my job at costco while going through withdrawals all day.

With in the last few weeks though, it's become blatantly apparent that my job is so soul crushingly terrible now that my ambition has returned that I might just kill myself within the next few months, I consider it now more than when I was drinking myself to death with no future to even consider.

I just turned 26, I've been studying for the A+ while working on avrg. 38 hours a week, while taking 13.5 credit hours, while trying to study programming again as well, and I don't think I can keep up this pace for 2.5-3 years.

Is 26 to late to join the navy? Should I try to go for electrician instead like I wish I would have right out of high school? How am I supposed to get a hold of a gun if I've been to the psyche ward?

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I could do that at my community college. I'm worried that I might not get any internships or work though. The internships are probably limited since I live in the middle of nowhere. It's hard to stand out especially for someone like me. I'm thinking of transferring to a Uni, at least I'll get more internships and a bachelors degree so I could stand out a little more.

Do you have to learn programming? That's a lot of work. I think it's important to balance out your free time and work time.

>not even in tech
>a few interviews this summer for shit I either have no chance of getting or incredibly unprofessional shitheads
>the closest I can get is office assistant shithead jobs
>just apply for all, I'm fed up of being taken advantage of on my 0 hour contract
>most of them reject me, finally get a bite for one
>its basically being the office manager with events planning, without the title so they can boss you around
>45 hours week
>SIXTEEN FUCKING THOUSAND POUNDS STERLING
>uh but you get the chance for international travel as you will be helping with events

I'm getting real sick of this shit

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I don't know if I have to, I just feel like I've wasted so much of my life at this point that I need to catch up as fast as I can and if I'm not doing anything productive then I am wasting more time.

Basically my brain chemistry is all fucked up from drinking $20,000 dollars worth of shit vodka and beer, I don't think the average person will ever drink the amount that I have feel like I don't have the time to even go see a doctor and get back on zoloft. The only reason I'm even still at costco is for the health insurance, I'd take a pay cut but I don't think any other part time work is going to give me any. And I am part time there, and they schedule me pretty much full time because everyone in the department I work in is complete shit. I bust ass all day there, and I'd rather bust my brain learning shit that's actually useful.

I drink so much coffee now just to stay awake at work and school that I have palpitations all day every day, and I fucking hate coffee

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>If you aren’t retiring when your 22 you failed at life

>we are a small dynamic team of ....
>we are looking to disrupt

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> be me
> fresh out of college
> 4 job offers, pick the one that pays the most
> first day
> realize they lied about working with cool stuff
> working on a fucking XP machine desperately holding together ancient ""enterprise grade"" spaghettiware in a team full of pajeets
> decide to stick around because they keep throwing money at me
> 3 years in and making 6 figures, but desperately want to leave
> no one will fucking hire me, probably because all my experience is with legacyware, HTML4, Java 5, and other deprecated frameworks

What the fuck do I fucking do?
At this point I'm even willing to restart as a Junior but I can't even get that because fucking Zoomers have flooded the entry level market.

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>At this point I'm even willing to restart as a Junior but I can't even get that because fucking Zoomers have flooded the entry level market.
Is it really that hard to compete with the younger generation? Can't you just get certs to qualify you for other work?

>I just feel like [...] if I'm not doing anything productive then I am wasting more time.
>I drink so much coffee now

You do know that that feeling is caused by stimulants, right?

Yes it is. Most places I've seen don't even have Junior positions, they just have intern programs open only for college kids.

bigger tech companies are pretty experience agnostic since they have more leeway to onboard you, just start practicing algo exercises and apply for a couple postings on their website. they can be pretty liberal with phone screens and you probably have a bunch stories to answer beehaveyural queshyuns with so you should be good.

also theres a setting buried somewhere on linkedin that says you're open to offers make sure that shits turned on and you'll get a bunch of people hitting you up at 3 years experience most likely. they flip it off for me all the time for some reason.

Nice, I'll look into this, thanks.