What's the most durable storage, say, for when the apocalypse comes and there are no more factories producing stuff (at least that I can afford)? What do I want all my data to be on?
Others aspects:
* Is there a difference between online and offline storage? Let's say I want some data to always be available, what's the most durable in that case? I assume unplugging some storage types will make them last longer (or maybe not?).
* What's the most durable for write-once/read-only compared to read-write?
Paper is not Jow Forums and will waste away if you don't have infrastructure. Have you seen how much effort is put into preserving old books?
Michael Rogers
Data / information is only distinct from gibberish via instructions as to how to interpret it. Even if you had your storage after the apocalypse - could you decipher it? Would you even have access to a computer? Think about what forms of historical records have been preserved best ..
Ryder Fisher
Tape is still king for longterm storage. It would probably fare the best in an apocalypse type scenario
Joseph Sanders
>What do I want all my data to be on? Stone.
Nathaniel Cruz
A quantum entangled crystalline substrate
Jonathan Peterson
>all these meme answers Depends on who you are and what you want to archive. Just a regular person? SSDs probably. Just be careful not to write stuff every day, but reading data should be fine.
Honestly your best bet in terms of always there,reliable and cost is a Freenas box. Your only expense is the drives. Depending on how much data you got that may cost a lot or a little. But remember this; Yes it is a reliable storage solution that will keep your data safe from a lot of things. But nothing other than a backup will protect the data from a total server failure.
Landon Wilson
Punch cards obviously
Jayden Parker
tru
Logan Moore
not really, they rot easily if not stored properly
USB sticks or SSD if you need more storage space I suppose.
Hudson Roberts
The average age here is what? Maybe 25? I doubt most of you are even going to live to 100. So you really only need data storage that is going to last another 75 years. Just get new drives every five years and back your stuff up to other drives. Problem solved.
unplugged from a system, SSD's have a maximum data retention of 8 years. put simply, they leak. there's a table floating around somewhere, depending on temperature at data writing and temperature in storage, they can lose data in as short as two weeks.
Alexander Gomez
>etch it into the metal that is soft AND will get stolen and melted because it's valuable Bright idea, Einstein.
Justin Harris
Anything on magnetic support is pretty shit and unreliable as fuck. We still have books and manuscripts written on paper or parchment from more than 1500 years ago, but all our modern storage "high-tech" can't even last 50 years at best.
The best storage for documents, unironically, is printing them on paper and storing them in a proper space. It will last longer than hard disks, tape, DVDs or any high-tech, modern bullshit that is made to be obsolete in 10 years.
Optical drives are vastly more common than tape drives. Odds are, we'll have piles of surviving ones or at least salvageable ones.
Christopher Martin
Golden micropunch cards
Brody Lopez
theyre legit but i wonder if you can even buy the medium easily
Josiah Bailey
compact disquettes
William Ward
DVD's/CD's will last a long time if you take care of them. Use cases not sleeves. Box them up and store in cool place, such as a basement. Or failing that, least somewhere that don't got extreme temp changes. HDD's will last a long time to if you write once to them then unplug them and store them in anti static containers/bags.
Luis Edwards
he forgot to mention you need to shoot it into the depths of space to preserve it
Connor Collins
whats wrong about saving your data to the cloud?
John Cox
self-encrypted data stored in the cloud is indestructible and impenetrable
Cooper Foster
Tape is actually legit and is still in use in the industry for backup storage. It's dirt cheap per unit storage, and modern drives can write surprisingly dense, the only real downside is that read/write is sequential, no going from the start to the end without spooling through the whole damn thing
Jason Moore
I'd go with a mix of everything. Most crucial must haves would of course be flash drives and stacks of paper.
Id imagine with fragility of modern parts a post-apocalyptic world would degrade over time to older pc components. Dont expect iphones and 1080tis, youd be way more likely to salvage scrapyard pcs with IDE drives and java-phones.
Brody Bailey
Continuing what i was meaning with this:
Storage and therefore also memory and processing power will likely decline. Dont plan for 50 tb storage, plan for 80 gb absolute necessity Compress, minimaloze and cut whereever you can in post-ww3
Nathaniel Myers
Uh the tape drive itself costs like $300. Then a 3TB tape (which assumes you use compression, if not it's only like 1.5TB. Some shit, like mp3's/Videos further compression does jack shit since those are already compressed as is) costs $28 Then since the drive uses SAS you need to buy a SAS controller card for your home built "server", which also runs up the cost
Oh and last you need software that will work with that drive so you can use it/write to the tape.
E-bay: So Drive: $300 (before shipping/tax) Tape: 3TB (1.5TB) x 8 = $224 (before ship/tax) SAS Card: - $60 (before ship/tax)
So all in all - $584 before shipping and tax.
Leo Jones
Bait-desu?
Juan Lopez
>I have a lot of shit that I want to last for a long time Tape >I have a lot of shit that I want to last for a long time, and I want to spend too much money for it. Archival Disk.
Lucas Rodriguez
Depends on your definition of a long time. If it’s under 100 years you pay people to migrate data to current formats and manage the information. Archivists are a thing.
Over a few hundred years is a weird time, because as time goes on unless someone is updating the format of the archives there’s a possibility of losing the very means of accessing said data. Like if I needed to read a tape from a PDP today how would I even begin? You need to outline a language to encoding translation, the define how the other sequences are to be interpreted then have the listed data. As far as physical storage, plastic or metal punch cards would be a good bet if verbose.
There’s an article on designing a warming for the dumping of radioactive waste in an area that could be understood 10,000 years on.
Liam Howard
Is it a good idea to store a copy of important data (backed up elsewhere of course) in a USB drive and keep it in a bank safe deposit box?
Are there any technical reasons preventing long term storage on USB flash drives?
Julian Powell
Remember the rules of backing up: 1) local backup 2) offsite backup 3) Verify your recovery strategy/archive integrity.
So yeah a HDD in a deposit box is a valid backup place. Or somewhere on S3 or whatever.
Hunter Ramirez
I'm specifically asking about a USB flash drive. I'll consider the hard drive if there is enough physical space in the safe deposit box.
I don't plan to store ongoing projects or code, just important documents like birth and death certificantes, SSN cards, and similar.
Brandon Johnson
>Freenas box I built one about a year ago because I lost EVERYTHING when a single hard drive failed.
I a HP mini pc up with 4 drives in some sort of raid 0+1...sure I have a bit less space this way, but I also have disc redundancy.
My losses were real shit. Family photos were the big part of it. What is even more fucked up is that the drive that it was on that died was less then a year old.
I will never trust a single drive for data storage ever again. Multiple drives in the NAS server, and a duplicate hard-stored on a "offline backup" drive....basic shit like family photos goes on the external drive as a secondary backup.
I didn't lose much when my drive crashed..but what I lost is irreplaceable.
Kevin Turner
RAID
Sebastian Diaz
It's tape. Any other answer is wrong.
Nicholas Wilson
Doesn't tape have a lot of problems with moisture? At least VHS and audio Cassettes had these problems, not sure about the tape used to store date.
>dindu ayyliens pick it up and sell it for space crack
Owen Phillips
a bit unrelated question: what are the drawbacks of archiving videos in a lossy compression like h265? I'm done encoding my family's VHS tapes and I figured that archiving it in a lossless format would be too much of pain in the ass for me to work in the long run will it ever start looking noticeably worse? I somehow refuse to believe that processing the files like 5 or 10 times during my life time would make a difference for family videos
Isaac Reed
We're talking apocalypse circumstances. Do you expect magnetic media to survive harsh conditions, and do you think you would ever find a working compatible tape drive.
Dominic Williams
Flash is not reliable when removed from power for too long. Hard drives will also bit rot, but at a slower rate.
Not saying it's impervious, just saying none of the shit you write today on... whatever fucking medium this thread decides is best for storing large amounts of trite information will be around in thousands of years for others to read.
Brandon Green
it pours
Samuel Hill
Rule of thumb: The slower the write the longer it lasts: Ram: Stupid fast, zero retention SSD: Pretty quick, fixed cycle count HDD: Decent speed, purely mechanical Tape: Okay speed, lasts very long if stored properly (which makes it slower) Paper: super slow, lasts millenia Rock carving: lasts literally as long as humans have existed
