Retro PC thread...go!
Retro PC thread...go!
Levi Wright
Luke Barnes
What aspect ratio monitor is that?
Wyatt Morales
Was the C128 a mistake?
>lots of cool features in BASIC 7, but it ran slower than BASIC 2
>most BASIC 7 features could be obtained from C64 BASIC extenders like Simons BASIC
>fast disk interface, but you could achieve as good results with a 1541 fast loader
>2Mhz mode can only be used with the VDC
>BASIC has no VDC support
>extra memory was nice, but you could do that on a C64 with an REU
>slow, utterly useless CP/M mode
Angel Foster
Did anyone actually ever use theirs in CP/M mode?
Josiah Robinson
Doubtful. If you've tried it, it is slow, man. I did the ol' Sieve of Erasothenes test in MBASIC on CP/M mode and it took goddamn 7 minutes. It was about 2:35 on native mode in 2Mhz.
Isaiah Scott
Its BASIC is definitely slower unless using 2Mhz mode. Probably because it has to constantly switch between the two RAM banks (one contains the BASIC program text and the other variables).
Jaxon Diaz
To elaborate a bit, I was playing around with the CP/M mode in x128 on VICE and yes it's slow, very slow. MBASIC gives you some cool features not in the native mode Commodore BASIC, but you also lose a lot of stuff and you also get only 34k of program memory instead of the 90k available in native mode.
Brody Young
IBM PC-110
Alexander Walker
Probably not. CP/M was pretty goddamn obsolete by the mid-80s and there was no real reason to not just use native mode C128 applications like Paperclip. The main reason really for adding the Z80 to the system board was that it solved a compatibility problem with some C64 cartridges and it added all of $1 to their manufacturing costs.
Dominic Cruz
Wasn't there a C64 CP/M cartridge?
Robert Diaz
That's a pretty comfy looking UI. It shows quite well that "screen real estate" is a matter of design and not of resolution or size.
Juan Johnson
Yes and it only worked on early silver label machines because apparently the fixes to some hardware bugs in the initial VIC-IIs broke CP/M compatibility. The cartridge was never that popular so Commodore didn't bother fixing it. The 1541s couldn't read MFM CP/M disks anyway, so you pretty much had to transfer software over to them via a modem cable and hardly anything was released on 1541 format disks, just one Pascal compiler and a few programs Commodore offered themselves. Plus CP/M software was mostly designed for an 80 column screen which caused problems with the C64.
Chase Perez
Ryan Rivera
it seems like 4:3
John Lee
The 128 was okay. The Plus/4 was a mistake.
Liam Lee
They're more reliable than C64s, which is surprising considering what a ridiculously complicated design the thing has. The power supply alone is leagues better than those wretched black bricks.
Jason Bell
If you didn't know, MBASIC was the generic CP/M release of Microsoft BASIC-80. It's mostly like GW-BASIC sans the PC-specific hardware features.
Wyatt Gonzalez
I used Wordstar in CP/M on my Amstrad and that had a 40 col display. It had to access the disk a lot.
Grayson Ross
Does anyone know where to get the original CAD-like files that where used to make these PNGs?
visual6502.org
Camden Jackson
Despite being a 128k machine and running CP/M 3.0, which was supposed to be designed for that, it still only gives you 64k for programs.
Evan Collins
It puts the OS kernal in bank 0 and bank 1 is used for programs.
Anthony Baker
Anyway, here was the Sieve of Erasothenes program, taken from the September 81 Byte Magazine.
5 ?chr$(147)
10 si=8190
20 dimfl%(8191)
30 ?"Only one iteration"
40 ct=0
50 fori=0tosi
60 fl%(i)=1
70 nexti
80 fori=0 tosi
90 iffl%(i)=0then170
100 pr=i+i+3
110 k=i+pr
120 ifk>sithen17
130 fl%(k)=0
140 k=k+prime
150 goto120
160 ct=ct+1
170 nexti
180 ?ct," Primes"
In Commodore BASIC, you pretty much have to set the array to an integer to conserve memory, because the default floating point array size is 5 bytes per element, so that thing would take 40k of memory. Setting it as integer gets it down to 16k, but also executes slower because it can't really use integer numbers. The Plus/4 and C128 have enough BASIC memory that you can leave the array as floating point, other machines it will have to be set as integer.
From the testing I did on VICE, in C128 2Mhz mode, if I ran it with an integer array, it took 2:35. Setting it as floating point finished in 2:28. Running it in C64 mode took 5 minutes (yeah the C64 is slow).
Easton Kelly
>also executes slower because it can't really use integer numbers
???
Chase Rodriguez
Just what I said. Commodore BASIC is FP only. If you use integer variables, it just converts them back to FP, slowing down program execution.
Isaac Wood
The Amiga 500 was the only viable machine Commodore ever made after the C64.
Samuel Phillips
What's with that one dude who, like, posts random Ebay auctions of TRS-80s and stuff.
Levi Thomas
They done fucked up good.
Camden Baker
>not in working condition
Meaning...?
Aaron Evans
not too retro but definitely old
muh new toy
Andrew Clark
>ebay.com
they probably just cant get it to turn on, it can be a large variety of things with these machines but theyre not too complicated
if the screen works, its a matter of fairly simple board repair for everything else
the 8 bit guy has a video on his restoration of one
Sebastian Perry
Cameron Morris
Colton Morris
ebay.com
This could be caused by many things including loose/corroded connectors or ICs, it could also be a bad 7102 VRAM chip (they're notoriously flaky).
Brody Cruz
2102 SRAMs you mean. I wonder if it wouldn't be a better idea to just use an adapter and install a modern, freshly-made SRAM you can get from Digikey instead?
Daniel Miller
The ribbon cable for the EI and the keyboard tends to delaminate with time. You can make a new one by cutting down an IDE cable.
Jose Edwards
Elijah Anderson
I don't want to punch my computer screen, so no thanks.
Christopher Brooks
Charging $300 for that thing if it's not in working condition is bullcrap. Fuck that seller.
Logan Thomas
I bet he licked that Himalayan salt lamp
Jeremiah Allen
...so? It's salt.
Christian Thomas
Specs? Also, love the Live! Drive.
Ryan Cooper
Continuing with my adventures, here I was trying to enter a very very long type-in BASIC Civil War sim from 101 BASIC Computer Games. It's long, it's tedious, compared to native mode Commodore BASIC, MBASIC is dogshit slow and editing lines is vastly more difficult--the manual for MBASIC is online, but I can't seem to wrap my head around the EDIT function. It's not like in Commodore BASIC where you can just move the cursor anywhere you want to go to edit a line.
So you ask yourself "Why do you do this, user? Why do you torture yourself like this?" Probably because I can.
Logan Powell
That shit with black drives (optical/floppy) would look sexy.
Josiah Russell
LGR would never do that.
Christopher Wright
I'd give him $50 for the whole thing.
Brandon Barnes
Why does every one of these threads turn into LGR bashing? You guys need to seriously lay off the haterade.
Chase Young
>t.lgr
Lucas Collins
/v/iggers are obligated to hate anything that gets remotely popular regardless of property
Ryan Myers
Seriously, he's a cool guy who really knows his shit and probably has a lot more sex than all of you.
Liam Ward
I see you Clint.
Brayden Martin
Clint its time to take a break from Jow Forums
Andrew Howard
No it doesn't.
Jack Rogers
Does sex with a dakimakura count?
Cooper Brown
...
Mason Baker
The TRS-80 Model 4 was the first of the line to have a sound generator built in, although it was quite useless because it could play only 7 tones at 32 fixed durations, ranging from C to G flat.
Chase Wright
I don't hate anything, I just don't want to see this hipster shit in every thread.
Adrian Perez
If I could turn back time I'd convince IBM to stay out of the micro business for a few years and then clone the A500. Imagine a world where the Amiga dominated and the 68k took over instead of x86.
Justin Stewart
You wouldn't happen to own a Nintendo Switch, would you?
Adrian Bailey
Wouldn't have happened. The Amiga wasn't a viable machine for the mass business/utility computer market.
Hunter Baker
>hipster
>switch basedface meme
red alert
Jace Martinez
>saw a post on Lemon64 complaining he couldn't get new ribbons for his Commodore MPS printers
It is possible to make your own.
>get Mylar or a fabric ribbon
>cut it into strips
>dip it in ink
Done and done.
Colton Carter
The hell it wasn't. Name one thing an IBM 5150 does better than an A500, both machines in stock configuration.
Matthew Morris
A PC among other things could have hi-res monochrome text/graphics, a math coprocessor, viable hard disk support, and was easier to write software for with fewer layers of abstraction. It was also far easier to upgrade and the software library was 100x better. The Amiga was too proprietary and did not have an architecture that lent itself to upgrading or customizing for whatever job was needed. Tasks like running CNC equipment would have been frustratingly difficult on an Amiga.
Anthony Sullivan
It would be more proper to use the IBM AT as a comparison since it was nearly a contemporary of the Amiga while the PC was a couple of years older.
Charles Ross
Athlon xp 3200+, Geforce 4 ti 4600, 512mb of 400mhz ddr, 37gb WD Raptor, soundblaster audigy of some variant i cant remember
it runs windows 2000 and has a bunch of drafting software installed, still works fine
when i get the time ill set it up and test it out some, ill get more detailed specs too
got it in a lot of my entire dodge durango full of late 90's and early 2000's pcs and parts, met a cool dude who used to be a software tester as a hobby, 63 years old and used to run game servers for things like action half life and cs 1.6
hes trying to get back into it and is looking into building a new pc
Nicholas Wilson
also in the lot was this John Deere themed PC
which is the most I N D I A N A thing ive ever seen
its a socket 7 system of some kind, i havent fiddled with it much
Jose Perry
It was purely marketing, capability wise it was obviously better. Nobody also used a C64 in the office either while everyone had one at home. The PC was supposed to be a glorified typewriter and it did that well.
Juan Johnson
Just got these for free
Connor Cox
Everyone can get trash for free, user.
Hunter Murphy
It had industry standard office applications and came with IBMs support and warranty.
Aiden Reyes
it's an amiga 600 you doublenigger
Asher Thompson
1200*
Ian Rogers
Bump
Isaiah Wood
Anyone know what server line my school may have had? It was a large Sun tower with a bunch of terminals that looked like this It was 2005-2006 and they were at least a few years old.