Intel making new chips on 22nm

JUST

tomshardware.com/news/intel-14nm-shortage-h310c,37819.html

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

lole

>retardshardware.com
>jewtel "news"
is this click b8 for ad impressions? its just for the chipsets, literally who cares.
as always that website and the people in it are shit, and im amazed its still alive, not even ayymdrones are as retarded as them

>

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OH NO NO NO

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>Litography don’t matter

>JUST
BUY IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU DIE HOW MUCH OF YOUR LIFE DO YOU WANT TO HAVE NOT BEEN ON 22NM?

>We don't expect Intel to move its desktop or server processors back to the 22nm node, but it is possible that it may migrate other chipsets back to 22nm.
>It's also possible for Intel to move other low-margin parts back to an older process, or to explore outsourcing some of its production in the future.

AMDrones don't even read

>NEW: Chipsets don't matter!

DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WE'RE PAYING YOU FOR YOU STUPUD FUCKING GOY

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INTLEL IS GOING BACKWARDS PFOAHAAAAHAAHAHAJAHAJAHAHAAHAAH

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>Currently, the 14nm chipsets are clogging Intel's 14nm foundries. In most cases, the company has to create one chipset for each processor, so easing that production load would free Intel up to produce more 14nm Coffee Lake processors. For Intel, it makes a lot of sense to move back to the 22nm process for its chipsets: performance and power consumption also isn't as much of a concern with the low-end chipsets, and, most importantly, the tiny chips generate very little margin. That means Intel stands to lose little from going back to an older node that may cost slightly more to produce.

Wow. It's fucking nothing.

>outsourcing some of its production in the future
IT'S OVER INTLEL IS FINISHED

>t. tomshardware rep
cmon man, you are making a fool of yourself. what sort of improvement, besides yeld rates, would a smaller process bring onto fucking chipsets? run @ 25c instead of 30c? the memory, pci express controller even the fucking usb controller is on the cpu itself nowadays.

its not ayymdrones, this is just pure click b8 shit from a shitty website that is on the verge of being culled from the internet

>ayymdrones boogeymen
>im not a shill trust me

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b-but bigger is better goyim!

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If it gets cheaper, I don't care

Never again will you hear the words
>Intel foundry advantage
It's kind of a big deal.

They're selling processors faster than they can make them.
Not the worst position to be in really.

>The new chipsets will also support Windows 7, as reported by our sister site AnandTech, which may signal that Intel will restore compatibility with the older OS on its newer motherboards, such as the forthcoming Z390 lineup.
AHAHAHAHA what a timeline. CPU manufacturers actually compete in windows 7 support

business doesn't work like that

You mean they cut costs on trays to OEMs and are moving chips in bulk.

It's still not a good look to their foundry business if they need to get capacity outside for something as simple as the chipset.

so because im pointing out the flaws on that "news" article im a jewtel shill? or a ayymd one? or both? maybe im both. thats it, im raking in money from both by pointing out the flaws in your "news article"! quick, reply with that quadruple jewtel&ayymd masks wearing crying wojak.

direct advertisers are pulling out from your shitty website arent they? soon my friend, soon you will know peace.

FINISHED IS INTEL
OVER ITS.

>AMD fanboys attempting viral marketing again
Know your place.

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can Jow Forums help a brainlet out, why is the nm size important? I see all the talk about AMD 7mm and intel 14mm and this 22mm thread. What do?

More transistors in the same space.

nm size determines how many gigahertz i chip can run. the smaller the nm the faster the electron oscillation within the tiny wires and the faster the chip generates hertz

More transporters and less power to open and close them.

>the smaller the nm the faster the electron oscillation within the tiny wires and the faster the chip generates hertz
huh so that's why amd at 28nm could get 5GHz but at 14nm only 4GHz
wait

Fuck you autocorrect.

the processes are not comparable among differing vendors as things like electron size and oscillation gates are built at differing sizes

Both process nodes were made at GloFo, this is horseshit, by that logic 7nm TSMC will clock even fucking lower than Zen on 12nm

>In most cases, the company has to create one chipset for each processor

when aggressive market segmentation hurts. rip

INTLEL IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT

ALL YOU NEED IS HASWELL BABY

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As long as the performance is there it doens't matter what fucking size the chip is.

You autists have no idea about anything in CPUs aside from wanting to be small like your micropenis.

At this point Intel current state is a joke.

My god intel shills are desperate that's even the whole point of down-scaling transistor size in first place, because more transistors packed in a chip means increased performance, better thermals and improved energy efficiency, downgrading the fabrication process while making it faster unthinkable at this point, besides more space the chip may require.

transistors are like the building blocks of CPUs
if you have 1/2 the size transistors you can fit double the amount into a CPU, and therefore that CPU will be like 2 of the previous CPU combined

INTEL FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

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added to the master list

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Waffer yields don't matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Games don't always matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>*NEW* Litography don't matter!
>*NEW* Chipsets don't matter!

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>*NEW* IPC doesn't matter!
>*NEW* 7nm doesn't matter!
>*NEW* StoreMI doesn't matter!
>*NEW* HEDT doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Security doesn't matter!
>*NEW* VMware doesn't matter!
>*NEW* MySQL doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Unix doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Linux doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Waffer yields don't matter!
>*NEW* Enterprise doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Stock coolers don't matter!
>*NEW* Games don't always matter!
>*NEW* Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>*NEW* Asian markets don't matter!
>*NEW* Own fabrics don’t matter
>*NEW* Litography don't matter!
>*NEW* Chipsets don't matter!

See /\

You goyim want 7nm already?
Why would you need 10nm chips for?
No one needs anything more advanced than 14nm.
Here is the 22nm parts you wanted goy.

ITS

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Thanks mister Scholmo Goldenberg

Who cares, it's not like you NEED a faster cpu anyway. You've been happy with """upgrading""" to the same architecture every year, after all.

I bet they're still not going to do a hardware patch to meltdown and spectre.

if you have half the size transistors you can fit quadruple the amount

Holy fuck so this is how Intel die(s)

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Not letting this one go just yet.

H310C/H310 isn't meant for overclocking memory, so you'd get nothing out of it.

In some cases, high temps on the PCH can make it worse.

We need intel and feminism.

until intel is forced to make more chipsets on 22nm

sooooo you can use your LMwhatever old moutherboard?

a new chipset every year keeps the goyim in fear

Intel knows a lot about viral marketing don't they

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And feminist frequency

>Tock-Ticks
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA *gasp*cough*sips indian tea*

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What's wrong with 22mm exactly?
My overclocked 45nm 2600K outperforms most of Jow Forums's CPUs.
Look, intel's class-A coolers are good enough, and a larger fab mean less error-prone production and more durable transistors.

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>Windows 7
2600k is 32nm and it's hot as fuck
Though nothing wrong with 22 nm chipsets, amd chipsets are 55nm and nobody gives a fuck

Cope harder, corelet.

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>windows 7 support

Most likely explanation for the sudden re-appearance of Win7 support is that the 310C is actually an updated and relabeled 200-series chipset.

One intel core > one AMD core.
Also where's the superior 6c/6t setup?

>threadlet coping

>tfw you're a smug microstuttering cachelet

lol

NOT FAIR

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Reposting

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They're crashing so hard they're going backwards.

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ot: what's the limit of straight copper, 130 nm?

Damn I lost the count of what causes every item on the list. What happened with mysql and vmware?

I think you missed a couple. I'll save your post for later use anyways.

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Security patches happened.

lol yeah right

He explained it poorly. The frequency a chip can operate on depends on both the critical path of the transistors and the heat generation of the transistors. The critical path is the minimum amount of time the longest chain of transistors between 2 registers needs to stabilize into a value 0 or 1. This was relatively short on bulldozer, because it had much simpler logic than ryzen.

The heat generation of the transistors was higher per transistor. It was however lower overall for the whole chip. The energy loss for transistors (which is always lost as heat) has a simplified function of

P=o*C*U^2*f+Pdc

where o is some factor depending on how your switching curve looks like, C is the load capacitance the transistor is driving, U is the voltage, f is the frequency, and Pdc is a constant leakage current even if the transistor is off, which is very significant in small transistors due to quantum effects. So on the ryzen chip, Pdc would be a much larger percentage of the heat than on the bulldozer chip. And C wouldn't shrink as expected, because smaller transistors mean smaller load capacitance, because complex logic requires a single transistor to, by average, drive more other transistors than if you had simple logic.

If you'd build a ryzen chip on 28nm, and clock it to 5Ghz, you'd burn your house down. If you'd build a bulldozer on 14nm, you could clock it up to the moon due to the simpler architecture.

So 7nm Zen 5GHz or not????????????

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>The Grabbler
That's some gud vintage stuff.

Impossible to say. When foundries say things like ">45% performance" when comparing a new process to an older one you always have to look at their footnotes or take it with a grain of salt. They could be comparing different points on a power curve instead of just looking at the very top end.
TSMC's 7nm HP FinFET node is supposed to provide up to a 45% frequency uplift over their 16nmFF+ which is maybe in the same range as 14nm LPP.
As a conservative estimate I'd say 4ghz base clock for Zen2 would be likely, maybe turbo of 4.5 to 4.7ghz. OC headroom will likely be substantially higher than 14nm LPP, so 5ghz OC at least should be possible.

Will they actually be able to launch an 8 core part with a 4.5ghz base clock, 5ghz turbo, and 95w TDP? I'd say its unlikely, I'd love to be wrong though, but I'm not counting on it.

delid

Calling it now they will say 22nm is superior to 14nm because its a bigger number

x370 chipset was also released on 22nm due to it being rushed out the door for coffeelake panic release despite intending for it to be 14nm initially.
x390 was supposed to be what x370 was but also ended up as 22nm, this was probably the first sign of fab capacity problems from a few months ago.

Of course it's better, goy. Don't you trust us?

this is not allowed for publication, you will be tried in a court of law

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Wow, process advantage publicity now doesn´t matter!

are they actually 22nm?

>and a larger fab mean less error-prone production and more durable transistors.
You forgot worse electrical characteristics at high frequency which means higher heat output and a larger die which means higher cost because you can fit less chips into each batch. All this is true empirically when comparing with Ryzen.

hahahaha just the chipset not the chips though right? lmfao

They've never made chipset ICs with the same process as their CPUs tho. So this is literally the status quo.

Wow, it's fucking nothing.