/pcbg/ PC Building General

>Create a parts list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a guide for your socket

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose and graphics card pairing.
>Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc.
>For Win7 in Ryzen, refer to pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

CPU
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>Wait for R7 3700X - Surely the best for gaming and not a massive overpriced disappointment like the 9700k
>R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than current GPUs. Just a marketing gimmick to rip off idiots
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans
1080p
>RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb for lower settings and/or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
1440p
>Vega 56; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor
4K
>Upscale from 1620-1800p. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value.
OpenCL use
>Vega 64

Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard
>NVMe are not for gaming; See "More"

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models.
>Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

More
rentry.co/pcbg-more

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>there are actual retards who bought a Ryzen

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>GPU bottleneck

Buy Intel

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>literally have to overclock just to beat a non-overclocked CPU
>has to spend for expensive RAM
>valid benchmarks

Not even worth a (You)

Finally real OP is back

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duude, theres a motherboard on your vrm

Still has zero proof that this system cant reach 4.2 ghz

pcpartpicker.com/list/vQypNQ

Why did they do a fake arma 3 benchmabenchmark when the one that everyone uses is available on the steam workshop?

>Literally getting overclocking because AMD isnt jewish
>Literally complaining that a cpu can overclock

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>fake

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>GPU bottleneck

>he fell to the bdie meme. only dumbfucks who cant read datasheets and do manual timings buy bdie
heres a hynix afr for example
valid.x86.fr/0xw6rw
thats on four sticks.
3466 is ez on two sticks.

>ITS FAKE!11!!1!

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So how is it s gpu bottleneck if both cpus have vastly different framerates?

Posting GPU bottlenecked benchmarks won't make your Ryzen run faster.

That would depend a lot on the context of what they bought it for, when they bought it, what the rest of their system is like. Ultimately what you are saying is as meaningless as "there are retards that bought intel", both of those sentences are empty and pointless.

add coolers used and timings on the RAM

please don't use my image for things it wasn't intended for. It's purpose was to add context to the specific screenshot you see in it and while you might feel that the same logic applies here, never the less it's missing the point since at least some of the parts are listed and I can only "assume" that both systems used equal cooling and so on.
If you want to complain about it then you should instead complain that the 8400 could get away with cheaper components.

>$20 cooler
>4.2
Roflmao

samefag

Different motherboards buddy.

Still no proof that it cant handle it

Didn't we just talk about this in the last thread?

>don't take my word for it look up the parts prices
I just did intel build still ends up being more expensive.

Delid dis right now I'm not fine with dat desu

Because there's no sane person to try get 4.2 on a $20 cooler that's why there's no proof. If you find one tell me

>Different motherboards buddy.
>because of a gpu bottleneck

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And you constantly walked it back to saying it can do it but its "not good for the vrms"

>fake
Yes. Everyone uses:
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=375092418
and it looks like:
youtube.com/watch?v=VmrPnN43Mw0

>The fuck are you saying. The mortar heatsink is great. Oh wait are you talking about the abortion that are non B450 mortars?
What isn't clear about what I said?
The B450M Bazooka is a bit cheaper version of the B450M Mortar with a half sized heatsink, and not as good audio. It's a perfectly fine board even for a 2700X as long as you're not looking to BCLK OC (obviously).

here is your (you)

You know Hardware Unboxed does the same thing?
Everyone else's benchmark of GTAV shows RX580 and 1060 within 3% of each other. He has this special spot he found where Nvidia cards do poorly and AMD cards do well to get the 1060 to be 25% higher than the RX580 in that game. Yet there's other spots where the RX580 is 25% higher instead.

Digital Foundry has also pointed out in a lot of games that there are some areas of games where a Radeon card will be better and others where a GTX card is better.
It's very easy to manipulate benchmarks to the result you want in this way.

2600X does 4.25GHz boost on the stock cooler ...
I wouldn't recommend underclocking to 4.2 to begin with, but a 212 evo would technically do it and stay under 85C fine.

Different motherboards give you different performances.

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> retard that thinks water cooling is any better than a decent air cooler
you need to go back to

Is there any reason for a normal videogamer to buy a Threadripper? Because I'm thinking no.

within margin of error, your just in hardcore denial desperately trying to slide the thread

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It really is. Those benchmarks avoid anything that would stress the CPU, so they are considered fake.

So I built my full tower way back in 2006 with a 1000w power supply. I know I never used that much power, but what would you use that for nowadays? 3D rendering?

>videogamer
>Jow Forums - videogamers

this is now a cpuz thread. post validations.

valid.x86.fr/0xw6rw

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Infinity fabric kills the memory latency and thus gaming performance. Gaming Mode helps a little bit but not much. But Threadripper 2950X is unironically the best "gaming" CPU AMD has right now because it's highly binned and can hit 4.5GHz

Okay address this first then Because you didn't in the last thread.

>The B450M Bazooka is a bit cheaper version of the B450M Mortar with a half sized heatsink, and not as good audio. It's a perfectly fine board even for a 2700X as long as you're not looking to BCLK OC (obviously).
I quite heavily disagee that bazooka is a good pair for 2700x.

>2600X does 4.25GHz boost on the stock cooler ...
If you followed the post chain back enough youd notice the guy was talking about a 2600 build. Or am I wrong?

So how do you actually come up with these mental gymnastics

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>1.44v
Jesus christ. I hope you have fire insurance

>4K
>>Upscale from 1620-1800p
how do? is this for everything or just games?

if you have a clockgen on your board, you can hit 4.5ghz on 2600X/2700X

>the main part of your PC doesn't affect your performance

The absolute state of AMDniggers

Then if intel cant be overclocked AMD is better in all cases then, because overclocking, intels only saving grace in most cases, wears down mobos vrms.

Wow, you're dumb :/

>posting benchmarks with an x series which is not even meant for gaming
Is this the new amd trend now?

retard

Okay.
valid.x86.fr/ru2vq7

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>Muh motherboard affects performance
Holy shit could you get any dumber, you going to tell me hard drives affect fps next?

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>Its not for GAYMING
Sure as fuck isnt for pro either

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I found that most amd arma benchmarks won't do a proper benchmark, or they'll do it with very low draw distance settings with ultra GPU settings.
There's a few ways to make arma games look like they get high fps, but every one who's played the games can spot them.

I'm speaking about the arma benchmark specifically.

forgot to link

>because overclocking, intels only saving grace in most cases, wears down mobos vrms.
Depends on the CPU and it's draw. Depends on the VRMs as in how many phases, quality of the mosfets and how many, and heatsink and airflow over it.

Actually, Threadripper runs games fine now.
There is also the new thing coming out this month to fix Window's scheduler for the 2990WX. But the 2-die Threadripper(2950X, 2920X) has been fine for a while.

~4.43GHz is generally the limit for the 2600X afaik. 2700X around 100MHz higher.

Voltage will go higher than that stock.

How many watts from the wall is that?

Motherboard can affect performance.
The biggest affect would be VRM throttling. That can drop performance well over 10%.
But differences in BIOS and microcode version also affect it.
Hell you get a 7% performance difference from a 1800X on launch AGESA microcode vs an 1800X on the microcode for the 2000 series launch.
With both having the same microcode, differences are generally

>monitor's backlight died
>PC is unusable until I can scrounge enough $ for a new one
>have to use a 7 year old notebook with a TWO CORE processor in the mean time
hows your day going fellas

dumbass

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>There is also the new thing coming out this month to fix Window's scheduler for the 2990WX
sauce?

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stfu

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>>Muh motherboard affects performance
Refer to this Motherboard absolutely can effect performance.

This was on launch, right? Yeah I remember a lot of BIOS being a shitshow for AM4. Only people getting good results were on ASUS boards, but not all of them. This should be far more even now on those boards with latest BIOS for each.
>reminder to not buy Gigabyte, still.

You really shouldn't be bringing up something that old, though.

holy shit you are dumb if you actually think this retarded shit

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Doesn't address the fact that the arma 3 benchmark is misleading at best.

>when you are such a brainlet that you haven't considered that its because they are almost all running on different cpus

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>How many watts from the wall is that?
Around 500 watts.

AMD is just better quit trying to slide the thread

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>4.25 with stock cooler
I call bullshit. With a high voltage and being hot as fuck decreasing its lifespan, maybe.

Is the Maximus XI a meme? or should I be looking at the Phantom 9 instead or something else.

>intel shilling explodes just as indians wake up
really makes you think

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DELID DIS

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4ghz 3200mhz thread ripper gets 32 fps average on Arma 3 on 1080p with low settings.

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What does this actually prove other than a 5% margin of error you absolute sped

It only takes one pic to make amdniggers mad :-)
Intel is the only real choice for gaming and it's been proven multiple times

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just as an example of how slow this piece of dogshit is, I can't even play a 720p .mkv file in mpv at 24 FPS. It's more like 5 FPS.
When I was watching a YT video, it took exactly 6 seconds from when I clicked the start button for the video to actually start playing. Fucking hell.

See
32 fps with low settings. You can't even see the plane fly in the sky.

SEETHING

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We talked about this user....

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precision boost override. if you have a clockgen, hell 4.25 is easier. its just that boards with them tend to be more expensive.

Ever consider they have their own script for benchmarks aspie?

>those power consumption numbers
proof that pajeetpowerup doesn't use a multimeter

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There's a 14% difference between the best motherboard and the worst motherboard. Not only do you not know shit about computers but you suck at math.

Hey Jow Forums, I'm in need of some assistance. Hooked new parts up in my system, and for some reason my PC won't boot up. The MOBO has a Red LED on the CPU that is supposed to indicate failure to initialize 12V pin on the CPU if its lit up. I unhooked the pins 3 times, and it didn't fix the problem. The CPU is an i7-7700k and Mobo is a EVGA Z370 MicroATX. The fans spin up for half a second before turning off, no error code or anything.

The CPU voltage connector has a 8pin and a 4pin connector. Maybe I need to get a cable to hook up the 4p CPU power pins?

[spoiler]I bought a NH-D15 aswell, and my hand is cut to shit unhooking that pin over and over. help me Jow Forums[\spoiler]

>2 pictures showing different results
>clearly my picture is the one thats true
I mean, why are you so sure?

And you suck at reading

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Check the sound

If its three long beeps you got a dead motherboard

There's a guide about oldschool beeps somewhere

Because toms went though their power testing methodology and i trust multimeter before software.

20% difference between the best motherboard and worst motherboard.

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What about looking up another 2-5 different sources on the topic instead of doing a blind 'i trust these guys" which is a coin flip at the end of the day

Isn't z370 only for 8th gen cpus?

what is a good poorfag build for 200$ that is good for emulation (Dolphin, PPSSPP) and watching shitty malaysian paintings?

one outlier and that's sata speed you mongoloid not fps, whats your master plan here, are you false flagging, pretending to be retarded?

>muh motherboard doesn't affect performance

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kys

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They don't though. It looks like they do a first area run through, and that is a horrible method to benchmark that specific game.