>Create a parts list pcpartpicker.com/ >Learn how to build a PC Search youtube for a guide for your socket
Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses; eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose and graphics card pairing. >Don't use Speccy. Use HWinfo, SIV, etc. >For Win7 in Ryzen, refer to pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1
CPU >R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming(dGPU optional) >R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale >R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs >Wait for R7 3700X - Surely the best for gaming and not a massive overpriced disappointment like the 9700k >R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform >Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT
RAM >8GB - Enough for most gaming use >16GB - Standard for heavy use >32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal
Graphics cards >RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than current GPUs. Just a marketing gimmick to rip off idiots >Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others which have small heatsinks and low quality fans 1080p >RX 570/580 /w Freesync or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options >1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb for lower settings and/or older games >GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor 1440p >Vega 56; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync >GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher FPS /w a high hz monitor 4K >Upscale from 1620-1800p. Maybe 2080Ti, but awful value. OpenCL use >Vega 64
Storage >Backup before using StoreMi >Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD >2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >NVMe are not for gaming; See "More"
Display >Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models. >Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>he fell to the bdie meme. only dumbfucks who cant read datasheets and do manual timings buy bdie heres a hynix afr for example valid.x86.fr/0xw6rw thats on four sticks. 3466 is ez on two sticks.
So how is it s gpu bottleneck if both cpus have vastly different framerates?
Lucas Evans
Posting GPU bottlenecked benchmarks won't make your Ryzen run faster.
Nolan Powell
That would depend a lot on the context of what they bought it for, when they bought it, what the rest of their system is like. Ultimately what you are saying is as meaningless as "there are retards that bought intel", both of those sentences are empty and pointless.
add coolers used and timings on the RAM
please don't use my image for things it wasn't intended for. It's purpose was to add context to the specific screenshot you see in it and while you might feel that the same logic applies here, never the less it's missing the point since at least some of the parts are listed and I can only "assume" that both systems used equal cooling and so on. If you want to complain about it then you should instead complain that the 8400 could get away with cheaper components.
Benjamin Johnson
>$20 cooler >4.2 Roflmao
Landon Hall
samefag
James Adams
Different motherboards buddy.
Thomas Long
Still no proof that it cant handle it
Jacob Watson
Didn't we just talk about this in the last thread?
Ryan Sanders
>don't take my word for it look up the parts prices I just did intel build still ends up being more expensive.
Austin Flores
Delid dis right now I'm not fine with dat desu
Justin Campbell
Because there's no sane person to try get 4.2 on a $20 cooler that's why there's no proof. If you find one tell me
Brody Rodriguez
>Different motherboards buddy. >because of a gpu bottleneck
>The fuck are you saying. The mortar heatsink is great. Oh wait are you talking about the abortion that are non B450 mortars? What isn't clear about what I said? The B450M Bazooka is a bit cheaper version of the B450M Mortar with a half sized heatsink, and not as good audio. It's a perfectly fine board even for a 2700X as long as you're not looking to BCLK OC (obviously).
here is your (you)
You know Hardware Unboxed does the same thing? Everyone else's benchmark of GTAV shows RX580 and 1060 within 3% of each other. He has this special spot he found where Nvidia cards do poorly and AMD cards do well to get the 1060 to be 25% higher than the RX580 in that game. Yet there's other spots where the RX580 is 25% higher instead.
Digital Foundry has also pointed out in a lot of games that there are some areas of games where a Radeon card will be better and others where a GTX card is better. It's very easy to manipulate benchmarks to the result you want in this way.
2600X does 4.25GHz boost on the stock cooler ... I wouldn't recommend underclocking to 4.2 to begin with, but a 212 evo would technically do it and stay under 85C fine.
Nathaniel Stewart
Different motherboards give you different performances.
It really is. Those benchmarks avoid anything that would stress the CPU, so they are considered fake.
Levi Jackson
So I built my full tower way back in 2006 with a 1000w power supply. I know I never used that much power, but what would you use that for nowadays? 3D rendering?
Infinity fabric kills the memory latency and thus gaming performance. Gaming Mode helps a little bit but not much. But Threadripper 2950X is unironically the best "gaming" CPU AMD has right now because it's highly binned and can hit 4.5GHz
Nathan Bennett
Okay address this first then Because you didn't in the last thread.
>The B450M Bazooka is a bit cheaper version of the B450M Mortar with a half sized heatsink, and not as good audio. It's a perfectly fine board even for a 2700X as long as you're not looking to BCLK OC (obviously). I quite heavily disagee that bazooka is a good pair for 2700x.
>2600X does 4.25GHz boost on the stock cooler ... If you followed the post chain back enough youd notice the guy was talking about a 2600 build. Or am I wrong?
Kevin Kelly
So how do you actually come up with these mental gymnastics
>1.44v Jesus christ. I hope you have fire insurance
Michael Ramirez
>4K >>Upscale from 1620-1800p how do? is this for everything or just games?
Carson White
if you have a clockgen on your board, you can hit 4.5ghz on 2600X/2700X
Jackson Powell
>the main part of your PC doesn't affect your performance
The absolute state of AMDniggers
Isaac Rodriguez
Then if intel cant be overclocked AMD is better in all cases then, because overclocking, intels only saving grace in most cases, wears down mobos vrms.
Xavier Watson
Wow, you're dumb :/
Ayden Hill
>posting benchmarks with an x series which is not even meant for gaming Is this the new amd trend now?
I found that most amd arma benchmarks won't do a proper benchmark, or they'll do it with very low draw distance settings with ultra GPU settings. There's a few ways to make arma games look like they get high fps, but every one who's played the games can spot them.
Blake Price
I'm speaking about the arma benchmark specifically.
Joshua Bennett
forgot to link
>because overclocking, intels only saving grace in most cases, wears down mobos vrms. Depends on the CPU and it's draw. Depends on the VRMs as in how many phases, quality of the mosfets and how many, and heatsink and airflow over it.
Cooper Anderson
Actually, Threadripper runs games fine now. There is also the new thing coming out this month to fix Window's scheduler for the 2990WX. But the 2-die Threadripper(2950X, 2920X) has been fine for a while.
~4.43GHz is generally the limit for the 2600X afaik. 2700X around 100MHz higher.
Voltage will go higher than that stock.
How many watts from the wall is that?
Motherboard can affect performance. The biggest affect would be VRM throttling. That can drop performance well over 10%. But differences in BIOS and microcode version also affect it. Hell you get a 7% performance difference from a 1800X on launch AGESA microcode vs an 1800X on the microcode for the 2000 series launch. With both having the same microcode, differences are generally
Logan Davis
>monitor's backlight died >PC is unusable until I can scrounge enough $ for a new one >have to use a 7 year old notebook with a TWO CORE processor in the mean time hows your day going fellas
>>Muh motherboard affects performance Refer to this Motherboard absolutely can effect performance.
Caleb Gomez
This was on launch, right? Yeah I remember a lot of BIOS being a shitshow for AM4. Only people getting good results were on ASUS boards, but not all of them. This should be far more even now on those boards with latest BIOS for each. >reminder to not buy Gigabyte, still.
You really shouldn't be bringing up something that old, though.
Jack Bailey
holy shit you are dumb if you actually think this retarded shit
just as an example of how slow this piece of dogshit is, I can't even play a 720p .mkv file in mpv at 24 FPS. It's more like 5 FPS. When I was watching a YT video, it took exactly 6 seconds from when I clicked the start button for the video to actually start playing. Fucking hell.
Joseph Bennett
See 32 fps with low settings. You can't even see the plane fly in the sky.
There's a 14% difference between the best motherboard and the worst motherboard. Not only do you not know shit about computers but you suck at math.
Nolan Davis
Hey Jow Forums, I'm in need of some assistance. Hooked new parts up in my system, and for some reason my PC won't boot up. The MOBO has a Red LED on the CPU that is supposed to indicate failure to initialize 12V pin on the CPU if its lit up. I unhooked the pins 3 times, and it didn't fix the problem. The CPU is an i7-7700k and Mobo is a EVGA Z370 MicroATX. The fans spin up for half a second before turning off, no error code or anything.
The CPU voltage connector has a 8pin and a 4pin connector. Maybe I need to get a cable to hook up the 4p CPU power pins?
[spoiler]I bought a NH-D15 aswell, and my hand is cut to shit unhooking that pin over and over. help me Jow Forums[\spoiler]
Tyler Ramirez
>2 pictures showing different results >clearly my picture is the one thats true I mean, why are you so sure?
What about looking up another 2-5 different sources on the topic instead of doing a blind 'i trust these guys" which is a coin flip at the end of the day
Austin Wood
Isn't z370 only for 8th gen cpus?
Leo Rogers
what is a good poorfag build for 200$ that is good for emulation (Dolphin, PPSSPP) and watching shitty malaysian paintings?
Parker Ward
one outlier and that's sata speed you mongoloid not fps, whats your master plan here, are you false flagging, pretending to be retarded?