/pcbg/ - PC Building General

gaming yes due to raw IPC. long term... probably not, as games are optimized for multithread, and amd has more threads.

Nice fake pic retard

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9700K is iffy for best in comparison to 2700x. 9900K is "I have unlimited money" tier.

Performance wise, 9700K will beat 2700X, but in the "best" category, its not just performance, its value. This is both performance and price combined.

>games are optimized for multithread

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where's the bulge?

Thank goodness, no more intlel faggot shill cancer
Let the Intel shills shitpost for the rest of their retarded lives.

current gen is 4core still but future will be undeniably 4+ aka 6-8core and refuting that is retarded. 9900k has 8c and will be more futureproof to a point but im not a AAA game dev and if they just jump from 4core to full core capacity then the 9xxx series gets cucked.

>Games are optimized for multithread

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>i dont know wtf im saying: the post

>/pcbg/ - i dont know wtf im saying: the general

pepsi = amd
coke = intel

Alright guys, my trusty sapphire 290 tri-x has went to the acrapyard in the sjy after 4 years of loyal service. Now, where shouls i go? I wasnt hitting much caps in performance outside of games like gta. Would a 1050 ti match? Or do i need a 1060, and if so, 3 or 6gb?
Idk much about RX cards, but not opposed if good. Want best value, and dont want a card with worse performance, but equal is fine. Plz help, i dont wanna go above 250 tho.

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I should point out, i have a 2160x1080 monitor 75hz with freesync support

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>games 2000-2010: 1-2 cores
>games 2010-current: 4~ cores
>games 2020+ 4+ cores
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hi, I'm looking for a new monitor for my gaming pc. graphics card is a NVIDIA GTX 1080 6GB. any recommendations? ideally within the $200 range, but I can probably afford a bit more than that.

MSI Optix
>144hz
>1080p
>VA panel

rx580

The new Assassin's Creed.

Won't run on the Pentium that the shill kept shilling at all. Literally won't even START.
He finally stopped shilling the Pentium but he still tries to trick people into buying other garbage. Watch out for him.

>include a >I dont have a budget tier: I9 9900k. its stupid expensive but it is still better in IPC than the r7 2700x and deserves mention.
That'd be more Threadripper, though. 2950X. You're getting more out of spending 2x more there than the 9900k which has 15% higher single thread but the same multithreaded as the 2700X.
There's no sense at all, except blind Intel fanboyism and a love for security vulnerabilities, to buy the 9900k so no it doesn't belong anywhere in the OP.
Maybe the 9700k deserves some special mention for "I only game and have an unlimited budget and 500fps in CSGO isn't enough". It's quite a noob trap, though. I don't know anyone with a 2600/X that isn't satisfied with the FPS they get with a high refresh rate monitor. It's pretty well understood that even with a 5.3GHz 9700k, you're still not going to get 144fps/165fps in every game so it's kind of pointless to throw money at trying.

>swap the 1050 3gb for the 1050ti at this point since its dropping regularly to the 100-120 price range.
Are they? pcpp shows $149 as the cheapest right now.
You can get an RX570 for $152 which is around 45% faster.

>vega 56 is cool because freesync but its not a 1080.
Not true. Undervolted and overclocked, it matches a factory overclocked 1080.
The entire reason Nvidia launched the 1070Ti, which is within 5% of the 1080 for much cheaper, is because of Vega56 being more of a 1080 competitor than a 1070 one.

>in the display section mention freesync/gsync and GPU restrictions.
Less important than other things in the 2000 character limit but maybe it belongs in the "more" paste.

Just upgraded after 4 years since my first build:

>Went from an i5 4690k to an i5 8600k
>My 970 was replaced by a 1070ti
>Changed my asrock z97 for an MSI Z370
>Decided it was time to join the windows 10 clan in exchange for windows 7
>kept the same PSU, an EVGA 750W
>Same CPU heatsink, a coolermaster hyper 212
>Bought a new 500gb SSD and a 2TB HDD
>Cleaned all of my fans and my entire case, top to bottom.
>Spent about 1700$ CAD after taxes and shipping.

A very substantial upgrade nonetheless. Pic related is my current case that I’ll be using forever.

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>6-8 cores is not 4+ cores
What did he mean by this?

>ignores the OP image which is 6 cores bottlenecking A FUCKING GTX 1060
Brainless shill

>games this decade use more cores than games last decade
>games next decade will use more cores than games this decade
>I can't extrapolate because I'm a paid shill
go skew some more benchmarks principled tech

>bottlenecking
Where? Fps is stable, faggot

What's the most powerful CPU cooler out there in the $30 range that doesn't have any LEDs? Deepcool gammaxx 400 is a great deal but I'm going to be using it to cool water in a hydroponics grow so the LEDs would fuck with my grow cycle.

it drops under 60fps, you tard, with all 6 threads loaded 100% on the i5-8400.

Stop lying about this 4 threads being all you need bullshit. There were games in 2012, 2013, which needed 8 threads for a stable 60fps+, now days it's the NORM and you're lying and saying it's not even a small exception.

Cryorig H7 or Bequiet Pure Rock are generally the best around $35.
gammaxx 400 is usually around $18 and a great deal, but it's not going to be as quiet as those and isn't quite as good.
>I'm going to be using it to cool water in a hydroponics grow so the LEDs would fuck with my grow cycle.
You can just cut the wires for the LEDs.

>muh ubisoft
>muh 2,8 ghz clockspeed
clearly intel is responsible
ryzen chip would probably beat out the 8400 in 6core perf. 8400 is a very poor example to cross compare to. I say this with an 1800x in my current box, so no tribalism. an 8600 would be a much better example, and an 8600k would probably beat a 2700x in 6core perf.

Trolling outside of /b/ is bannable you know

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anyone know if gtx 1080 is over kill for a 4790k

>Undervolted and overclocked, it matches a factory overclocked 1080.
Stop trolling people into buying inferior products

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for pure gaming they're pretty well matched. Some more CPU intensive stuff you will start to fall short, but the 4790k has aged very well.

Looking to upgrade from i5 3570k/8gb ram. Currently considering a Ryzen 2600x, as I will be intending to upgrade to Zen2 if it's any good when it comes out.

Main question is, is the upgrade worth it? I've had my current PC for over 6 years now and I really feel it's time to upgrade, and as the Zen2 will apparently use the AM4 socket I'm hoping this mobo will have me covered till then.

In the mean time, my PSU is a Corsair TX650, and I'm not sure it has the extra 4-pin CPU cable that the X470 mobo has. Does anyone know whether the extra 4 pin CPU cable is essential, or will it run just fine with a standard 8 pin CPU cable?

Thanks for any helps m8s.

Youre missing the point. There's still a very valid use case for IPC aka single core performance which is top end PC gaming. blind fanboyism is not including that because of [reasons]. even post security patch the intel still wins out by 10-20%.
As somebody who builds PCs for a living and you being this fucking insufferable fanboy I'm sick of your shit, Intel still has a valid place in the market, even if it is only 10% of the market being the absolute top end. Eat a fucking dick and recommend the 9900k at the top end or I'll fire you.

Ok, scratch that question about the PSU cables, seems that it can work fine and even overclock with just the 8-pin cable.

I guess I'm looking for people who've done a similar upgrade to me (3570/3770K to Ryzen Zen or Zen+ series) and what they thought of it.

thanks

yes

>Looking to upgrade from i5 3570k/8gb ram. Currently considering a Ryzen 2600x,
Just prepare for the new PC to be slower than the one you own.

i5 3570k is 70% the IPC and 4 cores vs the 100% IPC and 6core/12thread of the 2600x.
You also get the increased bandwidth/PCIE of the DDR4 platform.
CPU: $160
Mobo $75
8/16GB RAM: $65/130
that's about your upgrade budget. You can run a single stick of ram and add one later but current gen games are starting to push over 8gb

I have a question, which one of this two RAM memories should I buy: "G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4.. $140USD" or the "Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM.. $205USD" and why?

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Yes, that is a worthy upgrade.
But I don't understand your PSU question? The 8 pin CPU power cable is the same as the 4 pin except doubled for more amps.

>doesnt list voltage, cas latency, or speeds
gtfo and lurk moar newfag

I've been obsessively checking benchmarks and it seems the 2600x matches and sometimes surpasses the older generation i5's like mine (generally), plus the multi-tasking ability etc.

Yeah sounds good, unfortunately UK prices are a lot more than that, £160 for the Asus X470 mobo (want to get something that'll work well with Zen2 whenever it releases), £200 for the CPU, and £150 for the RAM (thanks bitcoin).

Thanks for the feedback, I've had this PC over 6 years now so want to do something that'll be worth it in the long rung. About the cables; X470 motherboards have 2 separate power connectors for the CPU; they have the standard 8-pin, but they also have an extra 4 pin connector too. From what I've read this is just a 'future-proofing' feature, or something for those who plan to do those ridiculously extreme overclocks, apparently it works just fine even with manual overclock with just the 8-pin connector. But as my PSU is an older model, Corsair TX650, it doesn't have the extra 4 pin connector for the CPU.

Because you can't afford it.

uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/L3PyHh
Going for 1080p gaming and some light video editing and music production. Is this good for the price? What could I change?
(I chose single channel RAM because I want to upgrade to 16GB in the future.)

just to clarify in terms of the benchmarks i mean only in gaming, with pretty much every other task the 2600x absolutely spanks the i5 3570k.

amd has promised am4 compatibility with zen2 so unless youre going top end a la r7 3700 or w/e the chip is you dont need a x470 board.

Get the i5 8400 (163£) better in gaming than 2600x and you don't need expensive ram/motherboard

>I've been obsessively checking benchmarks and it seems the 2600x matches and sometimes surpasses the older generation i5's like mine (generally), plus the multi-tasking ability etc.
>Some times
Oh okay if some times it will be faster it worth the upgrade, surely sign up for it.

the one selling you i5s at 150£ is either a thief or some sort of chink/pajeet
amazon.co.uk/s?marketplaceID=A1F83G8C2ARO7P&me=A3CLKJHFD3E7FX&merchant=A3CLKJHFD3E7FX

>not even 2080ti can handle oddysey in 60fps 1440p
holy fuck this game is such a piece of shit and it looks like fucking garbage as well.

cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/3939vs3956
>i5 8400: 2.8ghz, 4 core, 4 thread
>r5 2600x: 3.6ghz, 6 core, 12 thread
>1% margin of error on SC thread
>lemme just uhhh drop 20% fps on this game while i open a youtube tab
3x the multithread
Intel pls go

Yeah, this is more of a stepping stone upgrade until Zen2 comes out. I was thinking of just waiting until it's out but as there's been little to no news about it I thought I'd go for the Ryzen 2600x then sell it and buy a Zen2 once it's released.

I was originally looking at getting an i7 8700k, but if I upgrade to any intel motherboard it'll probably be obsolete by the end of this generation, whereas AM4 is going to be used for the Zen2 aswell, so it makes more sense for the long term to upgrade to an AM4 system.

It's difficult to find gaming benchmarks comparing 2600x and 3570k, but from what I've seen so far the 2600x is pretty much better in every way except the odd game where it matches the 3570k (OC).

Not trying to cause drama but supply demand on intel has made the 8xxx series go up in price by up to $30.

Yikes...

uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/LHYWGX/intel-core-i5-8400-28ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i58400
Check here retard
>userbenchmark
That's a yikes from me
If you are dumb enough to upgrade every year or 2 and want to have the best cpu every time sure get ryzen with the upgrade path. But any current i5/i7 will easily last you 5+ years

>tfw you dismiss 90k average users cpu benchmarks in favor of a shell company paid by intel
absolutely haram

Someone did this test after going from a 3770 to a 2600X.

Gist is that the 3770 couldn't even run stuff in the background and maintain 0.1% lows above 30fps. Was unplayable.
You have to read it closely because it's not very clearly laid out.
2600X is about 3x more powerful than a 3570k overall. Though with nothing running in the background, you'd probably just see a 10-30% increase
Just save money and get a 2600 then?

Long term the 2700X would be best because you can upgrade to a 3700X next year and likely the 4700X after that. AMD may even make some new Black Edition CPUs on 7nm.
9900k is the best CPU for the current chipset on Intel's side.

Just because userbenchmark is aggregated doesn't make it unbiased. Look at their "tests" and how their "scoring" is done.

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>But any current i5/i7 will easily last you 5+ years
I haven't got anything against Intel but why are you claiming that ryzen won't last as long?

so is AMD paying them? :^)

Memeing aside i know its not the most professional bench but for rough averages its /good enough/. especially from a 3rd gen intel to zen+. the bandwidth alone is worth the upgrade.

>uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/LHYWGX/intel-core-i5-8400-28ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i58400
> out of stock:160£
> out of stock: 180£
> in stock: 280£
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>Idle cores is good even if fps is lower
Keked everytime

I'm not saying the 2600X isn't better than the 8400. It very very clearly is if you objective access any source.
Just saying that userbenchmark is a pretty terrible source.

>55fps is all you need to play every game for years to come!
>even if it's 45fps in games in 2019, that's all you need for 2018! That' still over 30!
>29 fps in 2020 is all you need!
>n-no idle cores! 100% load on all cores is ideal! you're actually getting use out of it!
Dumb shill.

>keeps sperging about 100% usage for months
>still no proof that it actually affects anything
And no, your 6 year old i7 vs 6 month old 2600x pic doesnt prove anything. It's getting stale mate

guess we will have to wait(tm) to see how high it reliably clocks

spend the extra money on a gpu instead? makes way more sense

What brand HDD should I buy?

>buying HDD in 2018
cringe

>dipping to 55fps
>it affect nothing. 30fps is all you need
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this meme has to die

>dipping to 55fps
>it clearly isn't because he uses a 1060
>ryzen never dips below 60
Really makes you think

I just bought a complete new build with a threadripper 1950x and x3999 taichi motherboard but I have an issue with the top left "ATX12V2" connector.
My power supply doesn't have extra 4pin connector, what should I do ? I've seen online that connecting the ATX12V2 is optional but I'm not sure.

>adaptive resolution on to make sure any GPU will stay above 60fps as long as the CPU isn't bottlenecking it
You just won't stop embarrassing yourself.
Dumb shill.

Try booting without it?
I'm not sure if it's safe to use a converter with those or not.

This is the most decent OP out of the last few threads you fucking intelkike. Go gas yourself.

>Try booting without it?
I'm a newbie, is it safe ?

>Buying a high end CPU
>Matching board
>Suddenly run out of money and cheap out on PSU

It's safe to try without it, yes. It's probably optional to have it.

1950X wasn't even that expensive lately since the 2950X came out. A few bucks more than a 9900k is. Cheaper boards than Z390, too.

I already had a decent 750w psu + threadripper was really cheap
>It's safe to try without it, yes. It's probably optional to have it.
I'll try that thanks.

>adaptive res kicks in before dipping to 59fps
Retard

Anyone here running a 2700x with RAM on low timings? I've been looking everywhere for a specific benchmark (the dolphin benchmark) and can't find shit.
I emulate a lot, plan to use cemu a lot in the future as well and so the new 9xxx from Intel seem very tempting, but I'd actually rather use an AMD for various reasons.
All benchmarks I've seen are done with like 2933 MHz ram and the 2700x is completely fucked then.
So if somebody runs a 2700x with fast ram and adjusted timings, could you please bench it real quick? If somebody does, thanks in advance.

>I emulate a lot
>ryzen
lol

>my 6 year old phone can emulate games in 60fps
>LMAO RYZEN CANT EMULATE
Reminder that average iq in those threads is 50

keep seeing comments like this pop up but whenever I look for it only I only see that people are having no problem emulating with Ryzen chips.
Quick rundown?

the last intellified OP used a clearly flawed chart showing older versions of CPU's outperforming their successors, so I can't really say they had my trust

>threadripper was really cheap
>TFW you had hard time collecting money to buy R7-1700

now add 8400 to that list and see amd get BTFO

Yeah I know man. But I do other stuff as well and I usually run budget builds. My budget is much more flexible today than it was some years ago and even the 9900k isn't off limits, but at the same time, all I do is play shit like rising storm 2, emulated games, really old games and shit like the Ys series, which basically runs on a Pentium 3. I might get into triple a games a bit more again, but even then, playing at uwqhd I probably next to
never actually need the i9.
So a ryzen seems tempting, it's way cheaper and promises a long lifetime.
Except for emulation and maybe rising storm 2, my 3570k is really good enough, so it seems like a waste going for the i9, yet again the i7-8xxx are so laughably overpriced right now, I certainly won't buy one of those.

Almost brand new seasonic PSU is making a fucking coil squeak.
God fucking damn it.

I'm testing my tactical ballistix 3000mhz ram atm on my 1600.

Timings at 13-14-14-32 from 15-16-16-34.

I tried stock timings at 3200mhz but my b350 board just isn't a fan.

Well it's not a 2700x, but comparing it to some stock benchmarks might give me an idea of what performance to expect.
Thanks a lot familia

One day we'll discover a way to rid the world of coil whines.

What type of benchmark are you looking for? I can download it and test.

Dolphin benchmark on a 2700x with ram with fast timings, to compare to stock.
You can get it here:
forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-unofficial-new-dolphin-5-0-cpu-benchmark-results-automatically-updated--45007

If you can help me out here it'd mean the world to me.
All I want to do is play some older games in whatever settings I like, if possible with 60fps hack, without the fucking framedrops of my 3570k