I'm currently at dinner with Richard Stallman

Post proof, please.

I have no pen

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Ask him his opinion on on the BSD kernel and LibreBSD

Hmm
Is this actually real?

thoughts on bitcoin

It was but I left cause questions weren't coming in quickly, we reached the end of the meal.

I have more pictures

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Ask him if you can take a pic with timestamp

Tell him the NonFSF is actually funny. He'll know what it is, lol

fuck I missed this thread
Post them.

bitch why didn't you post a picture sooner

Hard to do so discretely

Will get home soon, on the train posting from secondary device

Pseudononymous and does not consider it to be "money", rather not deal with it for himself, he let's others take care of it, same as his hardware.

I asked about monero or other alternatives, but no real leads, he hasnt researched them, reach out to FSF, I guess.

God damn it I wanted to know what he thought of the news of Terry’s death / what he thought of Terry
Unless he’s already responded to it?

Just got home if anyone is interested in photos or answers.

Touch his belly and get +10 to emacs skill

He's incredibly careful to only reply to whether the license on software is free so as to avoid being represented as endorsing anything in particular.

He went on about MIT referring to two separate licenses and not using that terminology when I asked about Ethereum using mixed LGPL and MIT and him "not knowing what that means" but referring to it as "free"

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I wouldn't say anything and keep quite. Once that fuckers in the middle of a feeding response nothing is safe. Watch your arms and legs.

>Ask him if you can take a pic with timestamp
And with tits!

ask him why GNOME a supposed GNU package doesn't have any mention of the GNU project or the term "free software" on its home page but does contain the corporate bootlicker term "open source"

also ask him why GNOME seems to be suspiciously controlled by red hat

Yes

Here's a picture

This is one that I meant to ask. He uses mostly default Trisquel right now. I bet you could email him, but I left dinner back as of

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did you really hold the phone up to your face like it was an old camera?

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Tfw not eating dinner with rms, why even live?

That isn't me in the reflection

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stop feeding that degenerate communist. he should starve just like all the other commies did

He's leaning capitalist, and is a fan of Singapore.

He brings up China and the USSR regularly as negative societal examples, but okay.

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He is not a communist he believes in and understands market forces, the gnu filosophy is built on that even

if I wanted to email him I would have already done it you stupid nigger

conservapedia.com/Richard_Stallman
nice try shlomo

>conservapedia

>conservapedia
yes goy, microsoft is a small little indie software startup under threat by the commiefornian leftists. they need your support!

I'd see him as more of a Libretarian by far.

Separate from Libertarian right, maybe not quite a Libertarian Socialist

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have the cartoon network jews defiled samurai jack yet?

an agorist for sure, even if his intentions aren't so.

China is great, wtf I hate RMS now.

Seriously, I spent two months there. One of my favorite countries in the world.

He digs the country, especially the food, he listed it as one of the six great cuisines.

But surveillance is heavy and getting worse.

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nigger just look at how authoritarian it is

Yeah surveillance is probably bretty bad.

But in comparison to the USA it's quite a moot point. The average citizen or tourist in both places won't notice it.

>china is great
you fucking brainlet retard, kill yourself. look at what happened to the canadian coffee shop owner in this, it could happen to any tourist at any time including YOU

wired.com/story/us-china-cybertheft-su-bin/

Came here for this.
Oh well, toodle pip lads

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>authoritarian
Nigger, I was there for two months. The people are generally very nice. No one told me to do shit. I was all over Hunan Province and it was great, I was in Changsha for most of it but really loved Lushan.

Bring your GF to Lushan Mountain and she'll do anything for you :D :D :D

Authoritative though? I saw more cops in the USA to be honest. My town of 50,000 in the USA has more cops than Changsha of over 7,000,000 it would seem. Although Chinese cops are usually undercover and not in uniform.

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YOU REALIZE CHINA HAS 1,000,000,000 people right.

fucking retard, kill yourself. Literally everything has happened to at least one person, fucking bullshit strawman arguments.Don't go to China then, brainlet. You're actually unironically missing out.

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I made this point but he seemed more concerned in the case of China.

I inquired about ways to back his devices up when traveling over the US border in case of search and seizure. He didn't know how to manage his keys in that event without exposing them in that case.

Some free alternative to Yubikey? Didn't take well to the idea of an implant, which I jokingly suggested.

He won't do layovers in China either.

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Ask him why he thinks his right to keep his source code from corporations shouldn't be seen as evil as the corporations trying to close their code off from him. Also ask him if he thinks he's overstepping his bounds by demanding his code to stay open when a free people can decide for themselves what freedoms are important and what freedoms they can choose to give up for convenience? The fact of the matter is anytime you make any decision at all you're giving up one freedom for another and any hindering in any kind of free exchange is hindering true freedom, that is the freedom to choose. His insistence on "proprietary is evil, free software is good" is a battle against proprietary paradigms as opposed to the battle to free software and that there is a difference because if he really was for true freedom he'd promote a permissive license like MIT because such licenses guarantee the freedom of software while simultaneously guaranteeing freedom of development of derivatives and also the freedom of the userbase to choose proprietary or free software, and it is this freedom that is the most important one of all.

>strawman

kill yourself retard.

>but muh 1 gorillion
>but muh wamen and food lmao who cares about freedom bro
>i-i-it didn't happen to me so you strawman haha

>GF
>Posting here

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Not an argument

>ad hominem attack

someone post that chinese brutality montage, you know the one

Try criticizing their government by publicizing genuine issues, concerns, and possible solutions, and then come back and tell us how they're not authoritarian.

Sorry, I meant female (male).

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I provided proof of an event that happened where a guy was randomly jailed for months for bullshit charges, what did you provide besides >b-b-but I was theere lool

>criticizing the Chinese government
Are you trying to get shot, Jesus Christ. Go eat some steamed buns or something, calm down.

>cherry picking
>b-b-b-but muh cherry picked news article
didn't even read it. People have been jailed for life in the USA for bullshit reasons, it's not an argument.

Tell him to just take out a billion dollar loan and finish GNU and then live as a fugitive from the loan sharks but content in knowing he saved us from proprietary madness

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He considers some freedoms to be freedoms too far which effectively loop back around into enabling restrictions whereas his core fundamental beliefs of "freedom" carry as an unalienable pre-requisite that nobody can derive a work and make it non-free.

On the note of corporate use of free code, he's very much against a license which prohibits certain companies from using that code. He believes this to be non-free and unenforceable. He does not find this belief that to be at odds with the GPL.

As mentioned a few times in the thread, dinner is over and I'm no longer near him but I'm summarising based on questions already asked to him by myself and others at dinner/his talk.

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>china is based haha you doodoo cherry picker kek btfo'd epic lulz xd

I wonder what does RMS opines about Terry.

So you agree then, they are authoritarian. See, we have something called Freedom of Speech here in the US, which quite explicitly limits what those government-employed men with guns can haul me away for.

I'm done here.

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1989年天安門廣場大屠殺

>He considers some freedoms to be freedoms too far which effectively loop back around
Tell him that many folk think that the very nature of free software is hypocritical because fundamentally, copyleft licenses cannot be effective without copyright law. Two wrongs don't make a right, Richard. Without copyright law, one could argue that there would be no need for Copyleft to exist. But at the same time, such lawlessness would also mean that code could still remain proprietary because then anyone could copy your code and then make secret changes to it and not give back and there's nothing you can do about it. Either way, you lose.

Seriously, this is a garbage post.

>freedom of speech
lol
There are a lot of things I wouldn't say in the United States, this isn't 1776. There are a lot of things you shouldn't even be googling.

>remember that 1 time guys
>guys?!

>no one replies because they are all being sent to reeducation camps

stallman made copyleft as a reaction to companies claiming copyright on their proprietary source code to prevent it from being decompiled and changed. educated yourself you fucking dimwit

>There are a lot of things I wouldn't say in the United States

Perhaps not, but I'd argue that criticizing the government is the most important one, especially with what the Founding fathers had in mind with respect to the relationship a free people have with their government, and that IS a freedom that is still very-well protected.

>See, we have something called Freedom of Speech here in the US, which quite explicitly limits what those government-employed men with guns can haul me away for.

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He's not ideologically pure as no man is (this is just OP answering, not Stallman's reply), so this is just the path of best action.

Don't think we're ever going to get Stallman to interview here on Jow Forums proper, not least because of the non-free captcha requirement.

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>stallman made copyleft as a reaction to companies claiming copyright on their proprietary source code to prevent it from being decompiled and changed. educated yourself you fucking dimwit

You mean the source code he developed while being under contract? While being paid to do so under their budget?

You educate yourself you fucking communist.

>I'd argue that criticizing the government is the most important one,
You can actually beat up people who support the president in the US and no one cares

>Muh commuhnism guhrillions

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>this is just the path of best action.

I argue that it's not. The best path of action is a permissive license. That by its very nature gives the most freedom of all.
A permissive license guarantees that anyone who wants to use your software has the freedom to use it and to develop derivatives as they see fit. It has all the bonuses of free software and none of the drawbacks.

Sure, people close source their derivatives. But look at it more critically; would that really be any different than not making any derivatives at all? There's not any less freedom in the world. I'd argue there's actually more, because now the user-base can choose between a free or proprietary derivative. The very existence of this choice fundamentally fuels competition, which leads to better products, both free and proprietary. Everybody wins.

>I'm incompetent! be distracted with my memes!

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He specifies regularly that he doesn't care for """innovation,""" and that he does not tolerate closed source software as it is a universal evil in his eyes.

Freedom which results in, endorses, or enables the creation of non-free software is a nonstarter, and he won't support it.

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Really now? Have you tried doing it in front of a cop?
$10 says you'll get arrested for battery. Go on, what' stopping you? You'll get $10 and get to punch a nazi in the face. Hell, the cop might even arrest the nazi!
So go on and do it. Make sure to film it too ;)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoxian_massacre
organharvestinvestigation.net/media-eng.htm
sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/en/document/chronology-mass-killings-during-chinese-cultural-revolution-1966-1976
washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1998/01/25/genocide-in-tibet/27c0891c-57f1-4a7c-b873-a1071d93cbfd/?noredirect=on
cwis.org/2018/01/156-fourth-world-nations-suffered-genocide-since-1945-the-indigenous-uyghurs-case/
theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/25/at-least-120000-muslim-uighurs-held-in-chinese-re-education-camps-report

I had like 50 other links but 4chinks flagged my post as spam

how brainlet can a human being get

>When I started developing the GNU operating system, in 1984, my first step was to quit my job at MIT

how brainlet can a human being get

>When I started developing the GNU operating system, in 1984, my first step was to quit my job at MIT

>e specifies regularly that he doesn't care for """innovation,"""

The instant he makes this argument, he no longer cares about the software. UNIX was proprietary. Without it GNU wouldn't exist. Without it Free Software wouldn't exist.

This is the problem I have with Stallman. He's not pro-Free software. He's just got a grudge on proprietary software. And there is a distinction. He's masquerading a crusade using the very "weapons of destruction" and the icing of the cake is that it's not even about software. He's plain intellectually dishonest. It was never about freedom. I find it similarly ironic that instead of being at the forefront of a movement to abolish copyright that copyleft supporters assume they must support copyright in order to enjoy its power to coerce people to release source code to their published binary derivatives of other’s work. Power corrupts. People enjoy too much the prospect of being able to control others, e.g. limit what others can or can’t do with what they publish, or coerce people to publish things they might prefer not to.

That this power to coerce disclosure of source wouldn’t exist without copyright should be a clue that it’s not a natural power and so not ethical.

OP signing off shortly. Need to be up in the morning and took Melatonin over an hour ago.

Any last words?

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>YES GOYIM, DO OUR WORK FOR US AND ALLOW US TO MAKE MONEY OFF YOUR WORK. OF COURSE I AM NOT GONNA GIVE YOU ANY IMPROVEMENTS BACK. THAT WAY, EVERYBODY WINS!

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when are you gonna meet stallman again

ask him the GNOME question

you're already doing it for free, goyim
don't go pretending like you're losing money now. Don't you feel good giving back to the community?

I don't know the next time I'll meet him, I don't know him in his private personal life, this was a chance, private event.

I do want to ask him about Gnome, it's an odd choice, I don't know how aware he is off this.

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lots of kikes have been successfully sued for violating the GPL. on the other hand with BSD you can't even get them to include your original copyright notice even if you beg them for it

OP falling asleep, goodnight

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>on the other hand with BSD you can't even get them to include your original copyright notice even if you beg them for it

Who cares? My source code is still out there, free for anyone to make a derivative. It's not a zero-sum game. I don't give a shit if some corp copies the source and uses it for commercial gain. The whole point of open sourced code is precisely to get people to copy it anyway.

>lots of kikes have been successfully sued for violating the GPL.

See you're as intellectually dishonest as stallman is.

Absolute bullshit, you should be able to assault people in the street.

Fucking BASEDBOIS running the place

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>i make something
>you can do whatever you want with it, as long as you allow others to do the same with stuff you built from my shit

what part of this makes you so mad and seething