I thought the average salary was twice this?

I thought the average salary was twice this?

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lol nah. If you work at FAANG/Airbnb/whatever or some ML start up with VC throwing money at you, you can crack 200K with RSUs. But $125K +/- 15K is pretty standard cash comp for an average software engineer.

124,000 in san fran equals
->45,000 everywhere else

Meanwhile in Europe :
Considered lucky for making 2200€ after taxes a month as a dev

>mfw Europoors with the same job as me literally make half as much as I do

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living costs aren't as high as in the us though so it's irrelevant

>be proud american
>earn triple what eurocucks
>third of paycheck goes to pay rent
>get ill
>4 months of paychecks for healthcare

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Do you not realize that places other than NYC, Miami, and the Bay Area exist where rent is much more affordable?
Do you not know what employer-sponsored health insurance is?
Dumb fucking arrogant Europeons.

I got that as a construction worker, what kind of shit hole do you live in?

France
>implying
Let's say you live the SV meme and make 100k$, how would you even spend half as living expenses if you're a single non-retarded human? Even at 50k$ after expenses you save like 2 times more than we earn.
I'm considering going to USA and work few years, I would save more than enough to pay for a house cash, and then live off neet benefits

C O P E

125k in Silicon Valley is like 70-75k in GA except you deal with trannies and fags who are uppity a lot more in Cali. I'm glad I stayed in GA. 75k a year with my first job out of uni and all my bills + rent is $500 a month.

what are the developer jobs in northern states like? And what's the rent like?

there are tons of trannies and fags in Atlanta

>Do you not realize that places other than NYC, Miami, and the Bay Area exist where rent is much more affordable?
those don't pay as well
>Do you not know what employer-sponsored health insurance is?
rarely do they provide full coverage
>Dumb fucking arrogant Europeons.
stay mad

There are but not as uppity. I also work in Alpharetta so I don't see the ultra fags or trannies that much.

Euro after tax already includes health insurance though
... Not really an argument because high income earners in US typically are insured through their company instead of paying out of pocket. (I.e. localized commie healthcare, Republican nightmare instituted by the businesses themselves)

you're fucking dumb dude lol

I heard company healtthcare is usualy pretty good

>mfw earned 2.5 times this as an intern. Eurocucks and their VAT tax huh?

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Bro Atlanta is such a great city I’m jelly

>Be Europe company
>Pay devs shit
>They leave
Complain you can't find good devs
Kek

>Be Europe UNI
>Make shit really hard to pass
>Get free Gibs from gov either way
>Keep failing people because IDC lol
>People pass and get shit pay
>They move to murica
>Complain

The wages in Europe or waaaaay to low. Socialism or not. As a result there is a constant shortage of people wanting to work. The wage is shit either way so why care.

t. European

Thinking of working in Bay Area until I'm 50 and retire with a million or more in bank. Buy a home for 100k or something in a small remote comfy low cost area and have Amazon deliver everything I need with drones.

S E E T H I N G

B U R G E R

As an example:
>Earn 3K
>Gov takes half
>Have 1.5K
>Rent takes 0.5K
>Have 1K
>Electricity, internet water, food takes 0.5K
>Have 0.5K
>Insurance,... Other BS
>Have 0.2K

>Why the fuck did I even work
>Do not work, starve or get free shit.
This is fucking Europe mentality.

The world is fucking bullshit why do we still have to work the entire week to live in a fucking house. With basic utilities, internet and food and water.

It is a big scam for the rich to get even richer.

Fucking THIS
I could work 2 years in SF and have enough to buy a comfy house in rural France

>It's ALL a SCAM brooo
You don't do anything innovative dude. If you earn only 3k a month you're a fucking loser. You don't deserve the highlife social media has promised you.

What's expensive in bay area? Just housing? I'd gladly live in a van like Terry if I could save 50k+ a year

you are aware that the cost of living in SF is vastly disproportionate to anywhere else in the united states? I mean I understand you frogs are retarded and prettymuch over run by niggers but you're not going to save any money.

Not him, but in Europe almost no dev earns more than 3k. In fact 2k net is already considered a decent salary

Where? Here in Germany I make 2500 as an uni researcher, and we're known for being terribly paid.
The only reason to be here is because it's fun.

>hurr, just don't get sick! LMAO!

Wait, so you become uninsured when you lose your job?

Hence why going into security was a good idea. Blackmailing execs with their "harmless online conversations" that they hide from their spouse is much more profitable.

Alpharetta is the designated shitting street of Fulton county. Don’t act like it’s a beautiful paradise.

Really? I'm the same, here in NRW I get paid 1900.

I live in Sweden (highest taxes in the world). I earn ~38k SEK (~$4.3k/€3.7k) a month and have ~29k SEK (~$3.3k/€2.8k) left after taxes. I save ~10k SEK (~$1.1k/€1k) a month.

you are seriously fucking retarded and ignorant if you think prices in europe are lower

Oh. I'm in BW, with TVöD E13 level 4.
Did you just start?

>get ill
>company notices
>company makes up some bullshit to retroactively fire you
>you have to pay for healthcare now so you cant afford a lawyer
>get shot on way to homeless shelter
wOwEE nice country

Europe isn't a country.

Give me a reason why that isn't Jow Forums or /po/ memes. Just because a bunch of Indians work in the tech companies there doesn't mean it's a nice place to work at. Plenty of nice places to eat, big companies, and no poorfags.

Have you seen San Francisco ritzy apartments that cost 1/3 your salary? They're fully furnished slices of millionaire life. Take a look on a trail estate website and see exactly why they're so expensive

>What is maintenance and infrastructure
Everything seems to be heading for a subscription based model these days for the reason you said but the examples you gave all make sense.
>Taxes to maintain country
>rent because you're RENTING someone else's place instead of buying. Probably because you're dumb.
>Electricity, internet, water and food are all resources so of course it fucking costs money continuously.
>insurance is optional. Can put that money aside into your own "insurance" and hope you never get sick if you're that fucking butthurt about it

There you go.
You should have already been able to see this yourself if you went to a proper school.

What do you work with to earn that much? Doctors earn from 37k to 55k in Denmark. Programmers earn somewhere between 30k to 45k. I converted the numbers to SEK, so it is not danske krone.

Highest taxes in the world doesn't matter when it's in brackets.
In norway the taxes are 50% at the highest bracket and you clearly aren't paying 50.

It doesn't work like that. Anyone can make up hypothetical scenarios. Doesn't mean it happens like that
You're a retard that doesn't understand CoL.

Europoors always come in and proudly flaunt how retarded they are

>No u
>Anyone can make up hypothetical scenarios. Doesn't mean it happens like that
The irony.

>Spend all that time becoming a doctor
>Barely get paid more than some brogrammer who only knows node.js and WordPress

LMAOING @ UR LYFE

Talk to me when your IQ is above 20

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Oh shit, you got me

In Austria, good senior/lead developers can get € 40k, architects can go towards 45k, after taxes.

Anything beyond that is either freelancer work or a special, rare job like lead architect in a big company.

In case you didn't know, the company doesn't pay for your healthcare directly. They provide packages from another company at an extremely discounted rate. If you choose to pick a package, a certain amount is taken from your paycheck each time. How are you able to live when you are this retarded?

Backend developer with 2 years of work experience.

Okay but my point was you won't be paying 50% taxes on a 3k income. Here in Sweden I'd need to earn nearly 7 times as much a month to pay half my income in taxes.

Houses, medical care, education, transport. All lower costs.
The retirement in EU is much better and old people aren't forced into retirement homes due to huge living expenses.
Don't know about food but I know that American branded food (McDonald's, Starbucks) in EU is overpriced as fuck.

affordable healthcare and 1 month summer vacation. you know, a life besides workworkwork like a fucking insect

>France
>2200
I get €2600 + bonus after tax in polen as an automation qa (with noticably lower cost of living). You should consider moving out of the most cucked countries within the EU at least.

bull fucking shit, i have been to america (texas, california, arizona, nevada, new york and new jersey)

there's almost no VAT on american products and everything is literally 2 times cheaper in america, you are clueless and don't know what you are talking about.

This. Literally everything is cheaper in US and medical care issue is solved by a simple insurance plan which is provided by every employer unless you have the most bottom of the barrel job out there.

Because the price you see doesn't include taxes or tips or whatever

>tips
not mandatory
>taxes
USA is the only country that doesn't tax products

Are you dumb? I was saying that American products in EU are more expensive than EU products in EU. Learn to read.

>unless you have the most bottom of the barrel job out there.
Which accounts for what, 50% of your population?

No.

EU products in America are also cheaper

>can't read
Nobody is talking about prices in America.

Nah dude you have to pay between 0 and 10% of taxes on stuff you buy

>be dev in midwest
>make $77k / yr
>4bed house on a half acre for $1400/mo
>employer sponsored health insurance is free
get mad west coast and euro faggots

Roughly 13% of the population

>42 million people

>it's another butthurt flyover shit
dude i get you like living in the middle of nowhere where your bustling 400K population is fun as fuck to hang around but some of us appreciate the convenience and the social life of being in big cities with concerts, nightlife, and availability of goods.

Not in a flyover state or in the middle of nowhere. I'm in the general metropolitan area of a major city.
>nightlife
>holding a stable job as a mature adult
pick one and only one

Someone making $150k/year in non-flyover land can save $70k/year easily. The only way you're saving $70k/year is by running a meth lab on the side.

This!
Im from Sweden and Poland seems like one of the last bastions of common sense in Europe.
Im just sitting here and wait for Sweden to start taxing air!

Sweden:
Tax on cars
Tax on houses
Tax on fuel
Tax on your salary
Tax on your clothes
Tax on Electricity
Tax on your internet connection
Tax on driving to work
Tax on Food
Tax on water
Tax on borrowing money
Tax on mobile phones
Tax on roads
Tax on medication

Illegal to put turbo on your car
Illegal to use a police radio
Illegal to put a wifi dongle in a pringles can to increase the range
Illegal to use walkietalkies that are not certified
Illegal to build your own bathroom without a bathroom license
Illegal to make non-alcoholic beer since it creates spirits as a by product
Illegal to own a gun if you dont compete with it at least 3 times per year.
Illegal to build close to the beach
Illegal to use survailance cameras on anythin but inside your house
Illegal to play poker for money with friends
Illegal to smoke in restaurants and soon at busstops, "near" playgrounds, on balconys, on your lawn or close to houses
Illegal to use fire someone if their being an Asshole
Illegal to offer a position to another person for up to one year if the person your fired is unemployed.
Illegal to fire people if they are on strike for an indefenet amout of time and you cant employ more people to continue to work
Illegal to deny an employee things if they say it increases their comfort. so you cant say no if they demand ergonomic desks or keyboards no matter the cost.


One of the world strictest traffic rules
One of the world strictest MOT:s AKA you cant own a cheap car in sweden

IT is an overpaid industry, what's new?

You sound like a child.
Most of those things are reasonable.

The hell are you talking about?

you're fucking delusional and I'm saying this as a yuropoor

t. mohamed

cucktard

why are people so angry at these so-called flyover states, all your big cities that you take pride in look some indian shitholes

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Point proven. Thanks.

Finfag pro service desk here. Make 2850€ = 2150€ after taxes and retirement costs. 100MB net -20€, overall insurance -40€, half of overcostly rent -450€, electricity -30€, 4G phone operator cost -10€, purest water in the world -0€.

Stop living in a fucking fantasy

boo-hoo lmao

so move to some shithole third world country where you're "free", I'm sure you'll be back

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move to some polluted chinese city and drown in gutter oil if you hate regulations so much you dumb fuck

Some are of course but not in the scale as it is in Sweden.
They acually tried taxing emails a few years earlier because they needed money for the post office because noone sends normal letter anymore, they just handle parcels and bills.

If you add all the odd taxes here in sweden it amounts to about 75-85% of your salary.
Therefore its extremely expensive to hire people in sweden, leading to people getting burnt out in a massive scale and that leads to employees getting even more expensive and then the company either goes bankrupt or moves away/outsources as much as it can.

>be eurocuck
>pay half your paycheck in social services
>don't use any of it, as you still pay for train and bus faire, most likely arent a rapefugee
>don't use roads to drive on because lol euros are retarded and can't get their drivers license till 18, and most of them still don't have it
>make fun of America for their healthcare even though insurance takes care of most of it, is cheaper, and isn't forced upon you (anymore), and even get a better service than Euros because Americans don't go to the doctor for everything
>mad at America for no reason all the time to boot
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

removing some regulation = Total anarchy and becoming a third world country.

I know you are on Jow Forums but everything is not black or white

listen here redditor
I don't come on your site and consistently shit it up every chance I get, so why do you that here to us?

>muh sales tax
>8% at most
>prices we are talking about are sometimes double or triple (e.g. gasoline or some cars)
Yes it's still cheaper WITH ALL THE TAXES

t. Statist bootlicker

Just because you're retarded and need big daddy government to wipe your ass doesn't mean the rest of the population wants to be treated like a muzzled dog on a leash

>m-muh 10% tax at most
meanwhile I'm suffering in an undeveloped hellhole with 25% tax on every fucking thing, just kill me right now holy shit

>don't use roads to drive on because lol euros are retarded and can't get their drivers license till 18, and most of them still don't have it
So you are underage?

Every adult who has been in Fennoscandia knows its the closest to heaven on Earth despite the weather. Angry teens can gtfo.

>can't get their drivers license till 18
kek what the fuck is wrong with this, as if I need some retarded teens on the road
piss off you underage cuck

>redditor
Projecting much?
Since when is the redditor the one who wants less regulation and more freedom?
BTFO toddler!
Throwing you bs around thinking it will stick just because you use edgy second hand memes!

stop trying so hard, nigger

I gross ~$120K a year as a software dev in a lower-cost part of the country. One month of vacation and a FAMILY healthcare premium of ~$350 per month. Beats the Europoor lifestyle.

Be careful so you dont cut yourself on that edge boi

state your state, profession and years of experience now

Southeast is as local as I'm willing to say on Jow Forums. Software developer, about 12 years of experience.