What is the purpose of a global menu? I always hear how they give you more screen real estate, but that's not true. It takes up no more space than a window-bound menu, and if an app has no menu then it becomes literal wasted space. Seems really unpractical to me.
What is the purpose of a global menu? I always hear how they give you more screen real estate, but that's not true...
Austin Hall
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Charles Fisher
I find them really annoying too, especially when used in conjunction with a bottom dock.
Brayden Baker
I think it looks good :^)
Mason Myers
It saves space when 2 or more windows are stacked vertically.
You're right that in most cases it won't be used.
I personally like it though. Since I don't use a dock, the space isn't wasted because the window menu shares the same space as the clock and tray icons. And it just looks better than integrated menus.
Cooper Sullivan
Consistency.
For most users it's nice to know the menu bar will always be in the same place.
Jason Long
On gnome it doesn't save much space because the title bars are already fucking retardedly huge. On xfce or KDE it actually saves screen space. I wish it worked on Arch + Xfce, but it doesn't. The one OSes that use xfce + global menu correctly are xubuntu and Fedora Xfce Spin.
Oliver Hill
to help wasting more space because huge padding is not enough for gnome devs and gnome autistic users
Connor Martin
Gnome is straddling some sort of in between for desktop and tablet design, and as a result of tablet interface logic, that uniform bar saves space. No one use gnome on tablets or phones though...
Daniel Campbell
ITT: GNOME devs try to temper expectations ahead of the removal of global menus
Daniel Myers
Yea Gnome 3 was designed with touch screens as a priority. Even with 2 in 1 laptops, not many people really use the touch screen.
Tyler Gutierrez
gnome could actually be good with only a sidebar dock and hamburger menus for the apps, no need for the lame top panel
John Ward
You can't make sense of gnome 3.
Christopher Green
It prevents menubar redundancy when having two windows of the same program open and on macOS, it gives applications a space to run in when no windows open without crowding the system tray with a needless icon.
Also, it's super easy to mouse for. I don't have to think about its location at all, even when windows aren't maximized… just fling my cursor at the approximate horizontal menu location and it'll be there, don't even have to look. Instead I can keep reading or move my eyes to the next target while my cursor is en route. Additionally, the fixed locations of the open menu themselves takes advantage of our strong spatial memory capabilities.
I don't know about GNOME, but macOS has had an option to auto-hide the menubar for a couple releases now, so "it takes more space" really doesn't work as an argument.
Thomas Morris
>hurdur gnome's titlebars
they're unironically comfy
you know what really saves space? F11
David Clark
it's just a thing to justify the otherwise useless top bar
Brayden Sanchez
I don't like Gnome headerbars when they're empty and only show a title (they should collapse to regular titlebar size), but when they serve as titlebar + toolbar combos they're great. There's absolutely no reason for titlebars and toolbars to be separate.
As far as Gnome UI being huge, a *lot* of that can be attributed to Adwaita. Most decent third-party themes slim down the UI considerably.
Cooper Flores
>I don't like Gnome headerbars when they're empty and only show a title
i don't agree
>they should collapse to regular titlebar size
and what would that be?
you know size is theme defined right?
Austin Martin
Consistency, it shrinks the learning curve for end users.
I've seem the same effects with docks, and nowadays you can pretty much hide both.
William Brown
>>I don't like Gnome headerbars when they're empty and only show a title
>i don't agree
i mean you're free to not like them but they shouldn't change because of that
use Arc
Ryder Mitchell
Look what you did
blogs.gnome.org
Jose Clark
[spoiler]i like it[/spoiler]