NON-PROGRAMMER SELF HATE THREAD

Lol I live in Toronto trust me bro the job market is so fiercly competitive

Your easily replaceable, even if you get a job there's another dozen guys outside the door willing to work harder than you

Took me a year to find a job but that being said if you actually have an interest in spending 90% of your waking life in front of a computer it ain't so bad, problem is they pretend that normies have the capacity to give up a part of themselves to become a programmer, like I mean really a part of themselves

Your problem lies there. There are plenty of other jobs that give large sums of money. Web devs make a shit load of cash for steaming piles of shit.

I'd take $200k cad and $2500 rent over $100k cad and $1800 rent any day. You pocket more money in California guaranteed

No you don't. That's the whole point of this thread.

>Even Terry fucking Davis could outcode me
are you retarded? is this bait?

I'm saying it's wrong. You've never lived in Toronto. Nothing is cheap there. You can have a 2 hour commute and your cost of living does not differ from someone who lives beside the office. Chicken is twice the cost of US chicken. Cheese and dairy are expensive. Eating out costs you $14 downtown. It costs $1800 to rent an apt downtown. Average salary @90-100k I can't see how you could possibly spend over 100k more living in San Francisco

I read that for 2500 a month you could split an apartment with somebody in the bay area

Why do people choose to congregate there? A computer works anywhere around the world wtf?

There are software devs working in Toronto for $60k. That's like $40k American. The talent in Toronto is good and they get paid shit wages to live in a half city that doesn't even have a train to the airport. What a fucking joke of a city

I'm a programmer and I still hate myself, don't fall for the meme

I know a guy living alone in a church for $1100 a month downtown SF. He can't eat meat but it's cheap. Another guy paid $2400 to have a bachelor pad next to the Airbnb office. You have to be retarded to pay $2500 a month to split a room.. or have ridiculous standards

? There's a train going from central station to YYZ At least there was in June when I visited last time..

>I will just fuck it up and end up copying and pasting something from Google search
Isn’t that what every developer does?

There wasn't one 4 years ago maybe they finally caught up to the rest of the world from 30+ years ago. I hear Toronto still uses tokens on their subway

>I hear Toronto still uses tokens on their subway
Still a thing. I find it quite whimsical. In London they have RFID/NFC cards, and the checkpoints also accept credit cards with NFC. Vienna doesn't even have a system, they have people incognito checking tram/subwas every now and then. But then, everyone in Vienna gets the annual pass anyway because it's dirt cheap.

Hong Kong has had this in place for 25+ years. Toronto thinks they can catch up by GOING SLOWER than the rest of the world (last I heard they were proud of the fact that they implemented credit card TOKEN purchases. LOL)

>tfw no automatic skill giving machine that automatically let's me know every coding language and makes me know how to make 3d models and music

TERRY DAVIS COULD OUTCODE 2/3 OF SILICON VALLEY

IF YOU ARENT AT LEAST 6 FOOT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY JUST KYS URSELF ALREADY

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Now that you mention it, yeah Vienna is ass backwards

t. Austrian occasionally communting to vienna

>tfw Austria will forever be small ass backwards country resting on laurels from 100-200y ago
>tfw it's all gonna crumble due to aging population and unskilled immigrants flooding in

and here in budapest people are fucking raving about vienna and your schwarzeniggers, how tolerant

>>tfw Europe will forever be small ass backwards region resting on laurels from 100-200y ago
>>tfw it's all gonna crumble due to aging population and unskilled immigrants flooding in
fixed

wait, isn't Budapest a beautiful city? here in Cluj people only say good things about it

nothing beautiful or good about it
still better and whiter than vienna though

I mean after years of failure, I can fizzbuzz, easy, but I'm still at a point where I feel a ton of people just cant be good coders.

I as a Pajeet coder earn more cash than I need.

>Even Terry Davis could outcode me.
Terry can outcode 99.99% of Jow Forums.

Here's something nobody tells you: it all starts from copy-paste. I realized it when I started learning the piano on my own as an adult. You don't know what the fuck you're doing at first. You just imitate and keep going, and eventually it will make sense. Oh, and here's another thing: finish the shitty tutorials that end up in FizzBuzz. The whole point of imitation is to get a sense of things. You'll start seeing patterns eventually.

Everyone feels like a bumbling retard when they start doing new shit
>I cannot be this fucking stupid / clumsy
Is the exact thought that goes through my head as I face a new frontier and can't instantly solve the 101 tutorial.

Pretty much this, you just start copying stuff, then you get to learn harmony progression and eventually you can hear it or make a new one but there is always that need for constantly boring copying until your brain is programmed to do thing naturally. Now I can play shit like Liszt Sonata and Rachmaninoff's P.C. No. 3

Also not so long ago I lost all my pianos in a fire so I took to learn a guitar. It is kinda funny how fast it goes when you already know musical theory and hear good.

>Even Terry fucking Davis could outcode me
Gtfo newfag

cluj is a shithole, you people would say good things about any other city.
t. brasovian

>I am a piece of shit born into the 2nd best country in the world (after Switzerland).
I'm not sure if Canada is even the 2nd best country in North America

Brapped and Brownpilled

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>be me
>mutt
>5'7''
>can't program
>use macOS
>discovered tranny porn fetish last month
>can't lift
>can't code
I am a disgrace.

You take that back. Terry Davis coded a beautiful operating system with naught but the vision god himself gave. Comparing yourself to him is the height of folly.

Please don't encourage more retards to enter webdev.

>5'5"
Perfect size to become a trap succubus with programming socks.
Start HRT by tomorrow.

>Even Terry fucking Davis could outcode me
What the fuck did he mean by this?

this
i got the basics of programming down when i was 12 by copypasting php and actionscript scripts and editing shit and seeing how it broke or worked

itf I had a Java interview and wasnt even able to make a "hello world", have another two today

Ditto. Nothing's free, and those who don't capitalise on having expert knowledge will lose to somebody else who does. Also, paid work will always speak volumes more than unpaid work, and the more prestigious the company/clients, the better your career will be.
Blame the companies that pay shit and get shit. Fuck them. If they're not looking to fork out a shitton for certified professionals, then they'll get a cheap steaming pile of Indian crap. It'll cost them in the long term with maintenance overhead, longer loading times, bills rising, and shit unexpectedly breaking. But hey, clients don't really have a fucking clue what their system is doing, so this is how we'll teach them.
Go write some crappy Linux freeware, freetard.

>Even Terry fucking Davis could outcode me.
Are you seriously implying that terry was bad? You, the subhuman who can't even fizzbuzz?

mfw i love not being a programmer

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Apart from the fact that you can acutally get well-paying jobs in Vienna, functioning infrastructure, functioning healthcare not drowning in corruption, internationally renowned conference centers, etc..

But yeah, apart from all these things, Budapest is better.

OP I'm also about to fail out of uni. I hate myself more than I ever have right now. Except unlike you I'm actually good at programming, or at least as good as I'm expected to be. I mean I actually enjoy it. I just can't survive in an academic environment. Or any environment. I'm going to work manual labor until I'm 30 or so then kill myself after distancing myself from my family and making them dislike me

>technically been programming since 2008 (took AP CS in high school)
>have a bachelors degree in computer engineering since 2015
>ten years later, still so bad at programming I struggle to get jobs
>the only job I could land pays shit and mostly consists of copypasting code from one repo to another
>on the odd occasion I actually get to write code, it's always something on the complexity level of fizzbuzz
>doing leetcodes to practice for job interviews, but still struggle with some easy questions
>mediums take a whole day, if I can even finish
>it might not even matter because I'm too autistic to get past the behavioral part of interviews
>I probably won't even get any interviews because I have no portfolio, because I have zero motivation for side projects, and my skills from my current job are irrelevant to the outside world

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based

don't do it, manual labor sucks. If you push yourself to stay in uni it'll make you a stronger person and then afterwards you'll get a decent paying job that doesn't destroy your body too.

hey man, quit being hard on yourself. If you don't like coding, or if you think programming is not for you, there's always options.

Ignore the negativity and criticisms, if you want to try to learn coding harder, you can try a different learning method.

>10 years later and struggle to get jobs

maybe you dont know how to market yourself & your skills you fucking retard

Just get your A+ cert and work for Geek Squad, they even have remote positions where your autistic ass doesn't have to leave the house. A+ is literally just a basic ass course on troubleshooting, you probably already know 99% of the shit on the exam and you can get the study guides for free.

is it worth it to work for geek squad tho?

cause i aint no damn geek

realize that the point (and the joy) is the process of learning, not the knowledge itself

>certified professionals
llllllllloooooooooooooolllllllll

The pay is alright and the work is easy. Starting off you'll be making around 30k/year, if you have basic leadership skills and management abilities you can up that to 50k/year.

>skills
skills? he said he sucks as a programmer

You can take the UP express or just take the express bus from kipling if you're too poor. Which you probably are.

This guys is right

I'm 28 and I've lived in Toronto my whole life. I do data analysis.

was nice to read this, thanks.

>2nd best country in the world (after Switzerland)
yeah just kill yourself

this.

knowledge is useless if you don't apply it nor gaining returns on it

the joy of doing tedious chickenshit busywork that takes time but doen't require much thought yes fun

>lived in Toronto my whole life

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I wanted to be programmer, but I went into tech support because I needed cash to pay rents.

shit sucks.