/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Congrats on getting memed into ryzen. I have same shit here but with 2600. Pic related, and that's with 5 case fans, hyper 212x and kryonaut thermal paste.

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probably the same way mine spiked to 5ghz, a reading error

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Overclock with stock cooler. I later tried my AIO and more volts but it didn't go past 4.2

I get 35 degrees under load on my 7600 with the stock cooler.

Jesus Christ

no that part is correct

congratulations you got meme'd into buying ryzen
nobody here mentioned how hot ryzen also how power hungry rx gpu line up.

t. got memed into going full amd build

that sounds impossible unless you live in the arctic
typical idle temps are 10C above room temp

Is it possible to build media center PC under $100?

>cheapest mobo on pcpartpicker = $40
>cheapest for that mobo is $40 but it is a shitty Celeron and better bump to a Pentium
>cheapest DDR4 4 GB - around $32 (mind one should better install 2 modules but let's forget this)
>Oi we're already out of budget
>But case, SSD, Wifi card, PSU

Still impossible to build something without draining your pocket, right?

>that sounds impossible

There's a reason why it costs 3 times as much as a Ryzen.

You'd need used.

>Great thread user. Keep it up. AMD needs our help now more than ever.
>stock price reflects the companies value

>stock is up 70% over year
>thats a bad thing
Damn you niggas dumb as shit

I'm regretting it but also don't want to pay 600€ for the 9900K.

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>600€ for the 9900K.
mate that's a steal over here they are 700 lol

>regretting ryzen because shit software cant get its actual temp

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>Talks about brand loyalty
>Makes this pic
Huh

>>stock is up 70% over year

It certainly doesn't look like it will stay that way.

fuckoff intell shill

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Because you're dumb as fuck and have no idea how market works. This is why you're poor.

Well lets hope they fix the pricing. Why would they step back 14nm when 10nm isn't ready anyways?
Ryzen itself isn't really that great except for price. I still play in 1080p because I only have a Vega 56 and frames really matter there. Latency issues are also pretty bad

It's not that. Afaik, consoles use every single trick in the book to squeeze the maximum perfomance out of their processors. This means that every single security feature in existence is disabled. Not a problem with closed systems like consoles, but put that on a PC and you'd get fucked in less than a week.

All the Intel processors are expensive, but there's little reason to buy a 9900 if you're just gaming. The 9700 offers most of the 9000-series gaming performance for less.

What?

>Well lets hope they fix the pricing
14nm supply is poised to get even worse in 2019 tomshardware.com/news/intel-earnings-shortage-quarter-14nm,37983.html and 10nm is supposed to not even exist. I have no idea where the fuck they're even going from here

weird I play on 1440p with 1600 and vega 56? I must have bought some golden chips then because it works great.

I don't want to cheap out tho. That's why I bought the 2700x and not 2600/X or 2700. It also doesn't have hyperthreading

>I still play in 1080p because I only have a Vega 56 and frames really matter there. Latency issues are also pretty bad
literal meme drivel i hope amd goes bankrupt so you can be forced to buy a $2000 i5

I have no idea how market works but I'm pretty sure that stocks aren't supposed to be in free fall for many weeks in a row.

But I'll get scammed if I try to buy used parts, right?

pcpartpicker.com/list/PMhvvn
That is the best I've assembled so far but it's got no storage, case and PSU and still 25$ higher than the budget.

Fuck that kills me honestly. Why the f everything is so bloody expansive? I just wanna IPTV and watch films without plugging external HDD to a PC and than to the TV like a full retard

PLEASE GIB $100 BUILD

>gaming performance for less
except its worse than a 8700k

any recommendations for air coolers? too anxious to use liquid coolers, atm i'm using the stock cooler my 1600 came with, does an alright job but i want to do better. also any recommendations for thermal paste? (inb4 semen)

10nm does exist according to them but i think they only started now with it because of the former CEO fucking up everything.
Depends on the game. Sure, games like War Thunder can run it but newer ones struggle, at least for me. I also undervolted and flashed it btw.

>I have no idea how market works
Yeah I can tell.

>It's not that
It is that. It is only that. You are wrong.
Devs on consoles have the luxury of optimizing explicitly for specific pieces of hardware. In fact, they can play tricks with the hardware as years pass and they become more familiar with how to manipulate it. On the Gamecube devs were putting textures into memory meant only for audio, which has fucked up emulators since time immemorial. Imagine if devs had such granular control of your PC that they were putting textures for videogames onto the RAM of your soundcard. It gives you a sense of how low they can go. Devs publishing on Steam don't have that luxury.

Noctua DH 15 or be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4

It's about the same afaik. Lose out in some areas, win out in others.

Why aren't they working on an AI to optimize the games for them?

Wow so worth buying

not that user, but if you know what to look for and do background checks on the seller i'm sure it'll be fine. if you're going that cheap you won't be getting the best price to value from parts that are still being sold. if you go used you can find really cheap parts from 10 years ago or so.

pcpartpicker.com/list/RFsDzYMan now that gets really unhealthy
>27$ CPU
>Literally cheapest RAM and mobo and cooler
>already $102
What should that mean actually

Soon™

What parts should be bought used and which one should I avoid and still try to buy new? For example it is very obvious to buy a new drive rather than used one.
And that fucker who sells parts had them running 24/7 fully overclocked last 10 years amiright and they'll die on me next week I buy em?

>1600
you need a custom loop 480mm rad too keep that AMD cpu cool

Buy a new PSU
Everything else can be used

If you want a media center I'd recommend going for a fanless mini PC. Just add RAM and storage. Some of the older ones won't be able to decode higher res stuff though.

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i'm anxious to use liquid coolers, if anything goes wrong everything goes to shit. even if it's non-conductive it's still spewing weird shit everywhere that'll take forever to clean up.

What's better for gaming on a ryzen system.
3200 at 12-13-13-22 or
3466 13-13-13-26?

I think I can hear one of my case fans rattling a little bit. Anything I can do about it short of buying a new fan?

first one

thats damn tight. is this bdie or hynix afr?

>3200 at 12-13-13-22 or
>3466 13-13-13-26?
Neither of those is gonna boot, but good luck.

That lower latency really that much better vs sightly higher theoretical through output and faster infinity fabric for gaming?
3200 has theoretical max 51.2 GB/s
3466 has a theoretical max 55.456 GB/s
With 3466 14-15-14-28 CR1 I'm hitting 54.041 GB/s out of the theoretical max, if I tighten the timing a little bit further it should hit at near maximum.
So short version: I think I can hit both the theoretical maximum of 51.2GBS for 3200 and 55.456 GB/s for 3466.
The only real question is slightly tighter timings and lower latency better than 133Mhz faster finity fabric and 4.256 GB/s bandwith on read/writes.

B-die.

I am already sitting on 3466 14-15-14-28 CR1 100% stable with zero errors after 3 hours of memtest86

What's your voltage? I wouldn't go more than 1.4

>What's your voltage?
2133 15-15-15-36 CR1 @ 1.2V 34.128 GB/s
Read-32440 MB/s
Write-32001 MB/s
Copy-30781 MB/s
Latency-87.9 Ns

3200 14-14-14-34 CR1 @ 1.35V 51.200 GB/s
Read-47438 MB/s
Write-45849 MB/s
Copy-41330 MB/s
Latency-68.2 Ns

3466 14-15-14-28 CR1 @ 1.42V 55.456 GB/s
Read-54041 MB/s
Write-53498 MB/s
Copy-50926 MB/s
Latency-64.9 Ns

/.I wouldn't go more than 1.4
Why not?

>What's your voltage?
2133 15-15-15-36 CR1 @ 1.2V 34.128 GB/s
Read-32440 MB/s
Write-32001 MB/s
Copy-30781 MB/s
Latency-87.9 Ns

3200 14-14-14-34 CR1 @ 1.35V 51.200 GB/s
Read-47438 MB/s
Write-45849 MB/s
Copy-41330 MB/s
Latency-68.2 Ns

3466 14-15-14-28 CR1 @ 1.42V 55.456 GB/s
Read-54041 MB/s
Write-53498 MB/s
Copy-50926 MB/s
Latency-64.9 Ns

>I wouldn't go more than 1.4
Why not?

is spending the extra $100 worth buying a 2600X over an 1800X?

I need a new main PC, but I'm also a freetard. I've not been keeping up on hardware developments for the past few years—is it possible to build a freedom-respecting desktop PC (assume power is not a focus)? I've looked at h-node and InstallGentoo, but neither have been much use.

I imagine component choice would mostly be constricted by the range of CPUs you could choose since that would determine the motherboards/RAM/etc. In that case, that's all post-2008 Intel and post-2013 AMD CPUs out of the running. Have the open ISA projects produced any viable products yet?

Or would I be better off just getting a laptop and attaching a monitor and peripherals to it? Like an RYF-certified ThinkPad model, one of the Librems or something like the EOMA68 computer card?

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>RX 590
y/n?

if it's in the price of 580 but better y if it's also more expensive then n

Seems legit.

>67 posts
>21 posters
>at least 40 of the posts are just one guy asking what CPU to buy and responding to himself telling himself to buy a Ryzen

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>no price yet
>nothing but a handful of benchmarks here and there
wait™

I've made like 5-6 post myself and neither are about ryzen tbf.

a Talos
I heard that the FX are the more modern CPUs you can get with no backdoor too, but you're limited in the mobo and ram choice, so be ready to drop quite a bit of money if you're really into freedoms

don't listen to the shill

for the 1600 you can get any decent air cooler. The NH-D15 and Dark Rock Pro 4 would be overkill, but will work for any OC.

well, what is it?

R8
>inb4 Intel shill

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>1080p60hz
>1070
>9600k
YIKES, just go for 8400 and 1060 and save $1000.

If you have an intel you NEED 144 Hz

dumpster diving is your best bet

>extra $100
wat

Looks all over the place
For 1080p/60hz you don't need that cpu
It's better to just get a 8400/2600 and put the money for 1070ti/1080/2070 and go 1440p

>2kUS$ for an i5 tier system
I want off this ride

I'm falling for the VR meme, do you guys think that the i7 860 is enough? I have a DQ57TM mobo so I can't really overclock.
I have a budget of $1000, $780 is going for Vive and 1060 combo and $160 for 750D case.
Any thoughts?

how much do i have to spend for a pc (or laptop) if i just want to play fo4 at medium-high settings?

Anything more than 1.4V is risky in the long term. Technically 1.35V or lower is best

1440p a meme

what would be some examples of decent air coolers? i might also upgrade to zen 2 whenever that comes out, so that's also something i need to think about.

techlapse.com/computer-hardware/amd-rx-590-graphics-card-will-release-on-november-15th/
>expected to be officially released on November 15
>price is expected to be 2099 yuan

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>do you guys think that the i7 860 is enough?
No. Not even close.

>Anything more than 1.4V is risky in the long term.
Is that so, regardless of the RAM temps?
>Technically 1.35V or lower is best
Naturally lower voltage is best, but there is people saying 1.5V is fine if you have temps under control.

anything from noctua, bequiet, cryorig, cooler master, probably in the $40+ range, I'd personally go for any dual-tower heatsink

>60hz
>intel
what the fuck

get a seasonic PSU, evga PSUs are shit

excluding the Chinese VAT in that price it'll be 260$

So it's less expensive/same lvl as 580?
I remember some 230 euro cards at least recently.

Didn't their used to be a mechanical keyboard general? I'm curious if the CM MasterKeys L with Browns is a piece of shit or not.

Is the M.2 SATA III Internal SSD worth it compare to the 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD?

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It's just a question of form factor.
I wouldn't do it so you can have the option of putting in NVME later. Though you could also buy an adapter, it's cheaper to plan ahead.