Software Salary Negotiation

-Ivy league grad but w/ a history degree
-graduated from top tier coding bootcamp
-living in New York


How much money should I expect to make?

Also, post your salary/title/location/how happy you are with the situation

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>inb4 people abuse me for using dashes instead of meme arrows
>inb4 people start talking about animal collective

>-graduated from top tier coding bootcamp
0$.. i would not hire anyone that "graduated" from bullshit places like that. They are worse then for-profit colleges.

>PhD in math
>any job I want
>$300k starting

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im guessing $70-$90k

It sounds like you consider your first two points as positives, so you're probably not a worthwhile programmer and shouldn't expect much compared to your living expenses

>t. Jealous STEMfag with no practical skills for the job market

Of course they’re positives, lol, how mad and deluded can you get?

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nope, I have a job 6+ years as a software engineer. I would just want someone that has ACTUAL experience. Not some summerjob faggot that assumes he can make money programming.

Can’t hear your autistic screeching over the sound of my constantly ringing phone

you know what, ok i will give you a real answer, since you have no experience you are going to have to settle for some mega corp(most likely as a contractor). You will make ~35-40k/yr.

Avg graduates from my bootcamp routinely make 70k so try again

This guy sounds about right, ivy league means little for tech, and coding bootcamps aren't what top places want. Probably should have done business or something that relies on connections.
If you are in the NYC maybe 15-20k more but cost of living will eat that additional amount.

rupees don't count

your uncle or your best friends dad would have hired you with a 6 figure salary starting anyway
for people like you bootcamp is just a networking event 1 step above some tim ferris self help conference

>hey guys, why aren't all the software employers knocking down my door with job offers over my history degree and bootcamp?

Your bootcamp is fudging that so you feel like their scam was worthwhile.

>graduated from top tier coding bootcamp

I'd ask for at least a million a year + benefits

>Whats the story in mainland europe, ive heard lower salaries in general but more job security.
>Are their many opportunities in Dubai/Middle East?
>Australia? I heard tradies make more than programmers
>Hong Kong/Asia, is the culture barrier too strong? do they speak English at work

ITT: SEETHING STEMfags

and it doesn't take much to fudge the numbers, all they need is out of a group of 10, to have 2 to 3 of them at 6figures and everyone else at 40k

You wanted answers and now that you're getting an honest answer that you don't like your immediate impulse is

>Hurrrr Seething

Please, get help.

Their hiring stats are independently audited

They aren't positives compared to a CS or software engineering degree from even a community college.

>top tier coding bootcamp
Only accept 900k+ a year. Reject everything else; I absolutely know that you can do this OP

> You have experience with X language but we want Y language.. Go take this bootcamp course to get the basics done and we will pay X00,000/yr

General intelligence is far more important than "muh experience", & prestegious universities signal general intelligence.

Agreed. You need at least two years in an CS program to be considered qualified enough. If you can prove to your employer you're better than those who have that then great but unlikely.

Depends. If you need someone with experience then that's what you need. Doesn't mean others with experience are stupid.

Why? The only CS concepts that matter even a little in the workplace are algorithms and machine learning.

>Ivy league Degree
>Top tier Bootcamp
You're looking at at least $120,000/yr user. Good job, your portfolio is so far above those idiots that think skill and work experience is what matters. Senior developers are on suicide watch knowing guys like you are competiting in the job market.

Bullshit experience is very helpful in getting a job. If that were true Ph.Ds in pure math would make 500k starting and trust me I know many unemployed mathfags

t.mathfag

By the way it wasn't an actual Ivy League it was U Chicago, but I was masking my identity

That is categorically false, but I agree with you on the notion that a CS degree is a waste of time, mainly for the reason that CS classes are watered down and most people taking them don't learn software development externally from their degree.

Dude, you don't need an above average IQ to get a degree from an Ivy League. You just need to be born into an environment that encouraged you to get good grades in highschool to be able to get in, and then you need to spend a shitload of money and manage to remain sober for a fraction of the week so you can review the material. Bam, you have a history degree from Harvard.
If you think employers don't know how that shit works then you're in for a surprise.
A CS degree OR experience at literally anywhere would signal a higher IQ than throwing mounds of cash at a liberal arts degree unrelated to what you actually want to work on.

O_o learn ML, there is a very high demand for math majors that know machine learning right now.

I just wanted some simple advice and everyone trying to neg me baka. I feel like 85k is pretty doable, wondering if I can get above 100k.

Depends on where you plan on living
100k in SF is kill yourself-tier for instance

>What are standardized tests?

New York senpai

CS is extremely saturated with know-nothings who hold AA's, BA's, and even Masters. Not to mention the desire of many companies to abuse H1-Bs to hire Raj for pennies.

If you want to get into CS, come up with something to make a repo about or start actively contributing on some repo. Start building a portfolio to show potential employers and it will go so much farther than anything else you have.

Where in New York?

I have a pretty good portfolio

The city of New York, probably Manhattan or Brooklyn if that matters

It's because your thread seems like genuine bait. Even if your degree was relevant it would be only slightly less useless because the 6 figure jobs dont care about them. They prove the knowledge but not the skill and as other anons will point out, cs degrees are a dime a dozen. As for bootcamps, they are useful for the individual, but they are a good-to-have. By no means would anybody pick someone who did a bootcamp over someone with a single year of professional experience.

If you have job experience in the field, say it, but both of those points are just good resume fluff.

>CS degree is a waste of time
If they don't teach you about CPUs, agile/lean/waterfall methodologies, software testing, development frameworks and low level languages then it's not a real CS degree.

In Manhattan, you're probably looking at $70k-90k for an entry-level position, though if you can run with the big dogs you'll probably be making a lot more than that after a few years.

>agile/lean/waterfall methodologies
>software testing
>development frameworks
Fucker, expecting a CS professor to know these things, let alone teach them to you is like expecting a physics professor to teach you how to tig weld aluminum and time an engine.

>big boys
Watch all of Bjarne Stroustrups videos and learn about SFINAE. Write a few games. Then teach yourself Javascript and SQL. They'll

You just love making all the wrong choices don’t you faggit.
Probably $80k though. Most likely they’ll only put you on some webdev shit.

Well that's what the industry is looking for. Professors need to produce employable crops.

New York has the best dating market in the country if you're a straight man, that's why I'm going.

Want to get marriage out of the way. Women are a lot more tolerable when they're replaceable and without leverage.

Serious reply: Expect close to the average for the title of the job you are applying for in the area you will be working. No one gives a fuck about the Ivy Leauge history degree. Top tier coding bootcamp is a good thing (but if it was top tier, you would know what you could expect to make).

Demand the average for your position.

Also as a side note: The reason people used to value STEM degrees is because there is a large degree of self-learning and technical problem solving over a long period of time. From what I understand, the quality of STEM education has gone down a lot and its not really a great indicator of what sort of thing anymore. Also if you went to a coding bootcamp you didn't learn technical problem solving you learned about a few technologies or a few specific techniques.

Fortunately, that's what the majority of software companies want/need so the emphasis on degree education has dropped off a lot.

Good luck with the job hunt user.

This. Have fun spending it all on bills in jew york

>agile/lean/waterfall methodologies

Just fucking no. That trash doesn't belong in formal education at all.

God bless senpai

>-Ivy league grad but w/ a history degree
we are already off to a bad start
>-graduated from top tier coding bootcamp
this means nothing, you will be asked for experience, projects... having some coursework puts you at the same level as any newly graduated CS (even less considering you do not have a CS degree)
>-living in New York
so, on top of a low wage in your horizon, you also live in one of the most expensive cities... yeah, this is not gonna go well for you.

Move out of NYC, that is about the only thing that would put you in a better overall status but be ready to have several applications rejected.

Post portfolio now.

What in the world makes you think someone who spends 6 years worth of government grant money writing a paper about using minimum spanning trees to determine where to put receiver antennas for pigeon tracking collars can teach anything of value? If you want people who can produce industrially capable engineers, you need people who have actually worked in the industry themselves, not some armchair 60 year old neckbeard with incontinence and a deaf wife.

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any decent school has industry hires as well user...

impossible to know without knowing your exact experience level. but if you're a fresh grad with no experience then you have basically no negotiating power. I have no idea what they get paid nowadays.

The 'industry hires' are people who can't cut it in the industry, otherwise they would not take such an enormous pay cut to be an 'academic specialist'.

If you're at a university taking a CS class, you're wasting your time and money. If you insist on going to a university, take literally any other major and learn programming on the side and you will be 100x better off, because you'll at least know something about the subject you're studying.

EE in particular should get you into any programming job while giving you additional options. As long as you don't mind the extra maths, of course.

i loved living in manhattan. enjoy it. comfy as fuck