Is this a solid choice for a mid level build or should I really be looking at an i7 these days? Thinking of pairing it with a 2070, but if I go to i7 I can't afford the 2070. I'll be using it for work (real time low + high poly modelling and PS), but also for gaming.
I5 8600k 3.6ghz
Brody Roberts
James Long
I know people who are still using i3's having no problem, and yes that's a decent CPU
Dylan Carter
For real though, it's absolute dogshit. 1600X is a far far better deal and doesn't require expensive liquid cooling or deliding.
Luis Harris
>can afford 2070
>can't afford an i7
JUST
Parker Cox
btw you can hit 4-4.2 on the stock cooler of the 1600x easily depending on voltage. pic related. This was the biggest downside to the cheaper 1600.
Go with ryzen, the difference between a 4.2GHz 1600X and 4.7GHz 8700K is only ~10% and even less in modern gaymes.
Christopher Wilson
lol the 1600X is dogshit compared to the 8700k
They're not even on the same level
Kill yourself Ryzen shill
Jordan Cook
Is Ryzen still shit for games? (legit question, I've payed no intention to it since the initial under performance).
Liam Walker
>it's an Incel shill COPE thread
Jordan Moore
Ryzen 2700X with PB2 is miles ahead of the Ryzen 1700X
The 2700X is also cheaper for the performance it gives compared to a 8700K, though it falls behind the 8700K in every game.
It makes up to it outside of games though.
So if you play games , go for 8700K if you really care about those few extra FPS.
Or save some money, get the 2700X and get a better GPU, more RAM or bigger SSD.
Gabriel Peterson
Source? This isn't even at 4.2GHz so ryzen is technically crippled in these tests.
Not anymore afaik, there's fewer modern titles that net you more than ~10% better fps with an intel processor clocked 500MHz higher
Jonathan Sullivan
>AMD shill shilling again
Grayson Garcia
If you care about games and don't render shit all day it's the perfect cpu. always go for better gpu over i7 hyper-threading meme. also don't listen to Poozen shills, you'll ALWAYS regret buying AMD.
Jeremiah Myers
Truth hurts doesn't it? Why don't you post some fake benchmarks with the ryzen using 2400MHz RAM?
Jacob Stewart
>DUDE PAY FOR EXPENSIVE RAM JUST TO BARELY TIE A STOCK 8700K
Dominic Baker
This, pack it up boys our shill days are over. Intel won.
Christian Garcia
We only pay like $20 more per stick. How much do you lay for the highest end water cooler again?
Ayden Perry
The current highest end Ryzen is slower than Intel on games by 10%~, in some games its even higher. The current gen 9th Intels are also slightly faster but they are currently unavailable at the moment with Intel stock shortages. The newest Intel flagship destroys the 2700X but its expensive and runs hot. The 8700k is more attainable but since the past two months its price skyrocketed due to low/no stock.
If you game on 1080p 120hz+ Ryzen isn't even worth mentioning unless Intel prices in your country are sky high and/or unattainable. Ryzen is more suited for 1440p gaming (even though Intel is still slightly faster but not that much) and it doesn't matter what CPU you own at 4K since you are always GPU limited, whatever lead Intel has over AMD is nullified at 4K resolution.
Sebastian Rodriguez
1600X doesn't even HAVE a stock cooler.
Ryan Jackson
This. As an i7-7700K owner myself I fully agree that once you hit 1440p and above intel makes absolutely no sense anymore.
Julian Cook
Whoops, sorry about that folks. I meant the ryzen zen+ 2600 and 2600X
Lucas Scott
Ryzen 2000 series is massively better for games than the 1000 series was.
The 2700X handedly beats the 7700k whereas the 1800X was something like 7% behind the 7700k on average.
Even the 2600 overclocked to 4GHz is a lot better in gaming than the 1800X was.
>If you game on 1080p 120hz+ Ryzen isn't even worth mentioning
Nor is an i5, for that matter. Especially not if you're going to leave anything running in the background besides just the game itself.
Only CPUs worth considering at various gaming use cases are the 2200G, 2400G, 2600/X, 2700X, and 9700k.
>Buy more expensive CPU
>But don't buy expensive RAM
>I'm the intelligent one here!!!
Forgot to remind everyone to ignore that the 8700k also has "le expensive RAM" as well there, and that without it it loses by as much as 10fps.
Even still, THAT is when compared 3466 CL14 + tightened timings to 3200 CL16 RAM, not 3466 CL14 to 2133.
Imagine all the brainlets who listened to all your fellow shills on Jow Forums telling them "just buy 8700k and you can buy cheap 2133MHz ram" only for them to perform 20% worse than the 2700X with fast RAM you're telling them not to buy.
That image completely backs up how I've said that you'll actually get better performance with a 2600X and B-die than you will with an 8700 and 2666 RAM.
4.2 all-core on stock 2600X cooler is still dubious. 4-4.1 maybe.
You're better off leaving it stock, anyway, as it boosts up to 4.25 on 2 cores.
Kayden Lewis
I bought 4x4GB 3400Mhz CL16 DDR4 with silly little ram coolers for 130€ inc postage in eurolandia. Expensive ram has become a meme thank god.
Ultra graphics 144Hz meme is so silly you people should look into mirror. Just fucking drop shadow and reflection quality to high and be done with it. I myself am running 1600 and it is great in 1080p with RX 580. There are situations I'd still recommend 8700k or even 7700k if cheap.
Dominic Carter
I've got an i5 8400 and had no issues at 1080p +120hz. I think you're underselling it a bit.
Easton Torres
Anecdotal. Depends on what you play and what you run in the background.
A 2600 does it better for cheaper. So there's no point in considering the i5-8400. Simple, and there is no argument.
Daniel Collins
>if 1080p 60Hz
Ryzen 2600(x) instead.
>if 1080p 120Hz+
You'll need an 8700k at least, with the requisite cooling and delidding so you can hit 5GHz. Keep in mind you will also need a 2080Ti to actually make the most of it.
>if 1440p+
Ryzen 2700(x) instead.
Intel chips, since they aren't really a good price to performance ratio compared to Ryzen, are only useful for high refresh rate gaming. If you're doing grunt work and need the cores/threads, then Ryzen is the only choice.
Colton Miller
if you're going mid tier get ryzen
Wyatt Rodriguez
First time custom pc builder here: what fucking do? I am so confused. Am I really shooting myself in the foot with the 1440p 60Hz monitor? They're both 1 ms response time.
Lincoln Gutierrez
Adding to this: getting ryzen build with 1440p and intel with 1080p
Aaron Rogers
>2018, nearly 2019
>1080p
This isn't fucking 2008 user.
Gavin Gray
get 1440p over 144hz meme if you don't play CSGO on an autistic level.
Parker Lewis
I am literally in the exact same predicament except have i3-7100 + gtx 1030 right now with an old 50hz 900p monitor.
*sweating intensifies*
Is it really a meme? 144hz?
Michael Foster
1440p added screen estate is great for normal desktop use, I'd never want to go back to 1080p. 144hz feels more like a meme, like I said it's probably good if you're really into competitive online FPS but that's about it.
Dominic Long
Why would you get a 144hz TN screen?
Are you a professional CSGO player who cares more about higher refresh rate at the expense of image quality?
Why would you get a 60hz monitor? Are you 3 years in the past?
You can get a fucking 1440p 144hz IPS/AHVA for about that price. Do better research.
Also >>/pcbg/
Isaac Jackson
ark.intel.com
9600K is better
It has Meltdown and L1TF hardware fixes
Jayden King
9600K is a 6c6t you mong, it'll easily get shit on by an OC'd 2600X. see
Cameron Gray
You're better off spending a bit more and getting a 1440p 144hz monitor. Anything bellow that is outdated garbage and you'll end up upgrading in a years time anyway
Jordan Ross
Just get a 2600 and overcock it
Camden Walker
YOU FOOLS, wait for zen 2
Jacob Jenkins
No, 2600X is just AYYMD HOUSEFIRES garbage with no performance
Xavier Fisher
you guys are so pussy with your overclocks and not deliding and shit
you realise since like 7th gen you can run cpus at 5.5ghz and 8gen can run at like 5.6 and 9th gen can run at 5.7ghz even just using motherboard auto overclocking features
with custom settings you could push a 9th gen to 6ghz and this is just direct die cooling on optimal air.
you guys are pleb as fuck literally running your cpus at half speed almost.
Jason Richardson
David Foster
retard
Cooper Diaz
What took you so long, JIDF?
Oliver Diaz
>just do this thing that can literally fucking kill your cpu
>what are you, a pussy?
lol
Gavin Murphy
I would've bought Ryzen but I need the single core performance for CS:GO and Adobe. I got the 9700k instead, running it at 4.9Ghz. My average fps almost doubled on community servers compared to my 2600k, I was very surprised. Going from 69 fps average to 126 fps is insane and I wish I bought a 8700k earlier this year. Ryzen would probably be ~90 fps, definitely feasible I guess.
James Jackson
based 2700x.
Levi Lewis
How do you cool that thing? 8700K chews through like 200 fucking watts at 4.7GHz.
Isaiah Gomez
AVX workloads it definitely hits 80-90C but I have it downclock to 4.7Ghz ~60-65C. Gaming is ~60-65C also. Noctua NH-U14S
Justin Smith
Good ram and timing it would only be 10% slower.
Bull fucking shit, 9900K pulls 250 watts easy at 5GHz. 4.7GHz would still be above 200 watts. No way in hell is that puny air cooler getting you even 90C on avx loads.
Hunter Gutierrez
>9700k
>4.9Ghz while gaming
>4.7Ghz for AVX cause too hot
Get some glasses, gramps.
Thomas Butler
No shit but there's literally no way you get 80-90C on avx loads at 4.7GHz with an air cooler. Maybe with the NH D15 with twin fans. Did you run the AVX load for at least 30 minutes?
Logan Sanchez
Ryzen is useless, it underperforms in gaming against intel.
But even in productivity it runs worse in the most important software suite (Adobe)
While also crashing.
Not to mention it has inherent latency due to shit architecture which makes it unsuitable for audio production.
Ryan Brown
1440p in a 24 inch monitor is absolutely disgusting
Nathan Lopez
AIO water coolers are not going to be much better
Jackson Bennett
then explain
and
Also crashing is caused by botched OC.
Jackson Flores
Go back to your own thread
Gavin Roberts
DDR4 3200 is literally $5 more than 2400.
Gabriel Foster
You underestimate air coolers and how "hot" these chips really run at.
Bentley Collins
>intel beating amd by 100+ point
get fukked amdfaggots
Jason Sullivan
ayyy
Benjamin Rogers
>This unironically
If you really need it RIGHT NOW get the cheapest AM4 CPU and wait a few months to get a superior Zen 2 CPU upgrade. Intel have NOTHING but high priced meme systems.
Charles Sanchez
The question you must ask yourself is.
Are you an adult or a child?
Owen Scott
>lower is better
You really are retarded.
Jonathan Cox
how the FUCK do you get your 1600 to 44.0 GHz? mine always crashed at 3.9, is cryorig H7 enough for 4.0?
Adam Allen
PBO + water cooler + golden sample.
Connor Bell
Why wouldn't you just get the 9600k?
Ethan Gray
>this is what pajeets belive.
Matthew Cooper
i have actually, games like bf1 always 100% cpu and i cant run anything in background.
Leo Ramirez
Adults dont edit video of fornite. Compiling doesnt needs more than 1 thread
Logan Cruz
Because it's overpriced and pointless. Just get a 8700K instead if you must got team blue.
Mason Walker
Jayden Williams
Literally $20 more than the 8600k
Blake Parker
>pootel stutterfires
lmoa
Evan Gonzalez
uh oh, tom's hardware won't get any intel free golden samples any time soon
Thomas Wilson
HIGHER MEANS BETTER
Adam Brown
Why not R7 2700?
Its much more cost efficient than an i7, even in power consumption.
and also by oc'ing it to 3.6GHz, it will be par with 9700k on stock clocks while being more power efficient.
Caleb Gonzalez
It has 2 smeltdown fixes. It still has like 9 things unfixed or to be "fixed" in microcode.
Still better off getting a real CPU.
>how "hot" these chips really run at.
200W+, many reviewers have independently verified from the chip alone.
Brody Bell
> Intel only wins on a purely academic basis, otherwise there's no difference between the platforms at gaymning
> Shitty FUD spread by an idiotic overclocker (WHY IS SOFTWARE CRASHING ON MY 1337 OVERCLOCK?)
> CPU hasn't mattered to audio engineers since the mid-2000s. Latency is entirely due to driver stacks (Windows is still shit-tier at latency)
> ITT: /v/tard manchildren trying to justify why mainstream platform X is better at shitty gayming and mainstream-tier shit
David Parker
It's literally true though, ryzen+ has now virtually MATCHED coffinlake IPC
Christian Rodriguez
You're right. You also don't need more than 1GHz. But good luck compiling qtwebengine with that.
Jason Clark
With only a 10 FPS average difference on a 9900K over a 2700X uaing a RTX 2080 Ti too.
Kevin Gray
>250 watts for just 10% more fps
wtf intel
Adam Davis
I like the cut of your jib
Wyatt Ortiz
Are you the Intel engineer who said devil's canyon will go 5GHz every time?
Nathaniel Diaz
Christian Murphy
another thing i get from this is even getting a shit cpu like the 8400 makes more sense than a 9900k if all you care about is gaymen. intel btfo itself.
James Carter
Hahaha! You are right!
The 9900K is only 14.737991266375547% faster!
Owen Richardson
> I'm a retard who doesn't care that my system is less stable than Hillary Clinton and eats more power than Trump Tower so my shitty games are only 5% faster then stock speed.
Joseph Fisher
You DO realize there's is an inherent risk of fucking killing your CPU during the deliding process, right? I'm not even amdfag (i7-4770K @ 4.4 GHz) but even I'm not dumb enough to risk the life of my CPU with such a dangerous procedure.
Dylan Cooper
i read that as cornflake ipc
Gabriel Jackson
when you put it like the 9900k sounds good. the 737991266375547% making the difference.
Owen Powell
Are you using a recent BIOS?
I can get my 1600X to 4.25 fine now. But I'm happy with the stock speeds so I keep it at that.
It also voids your warranty.
Sort of, but the problem is these tests are with nothing running in the background.
Background processes are going to cut into your FPS, especially 0.1% minimums, more so the less threads you have.
Jason Flores
>stock 6 core 8700k draws 160w which is ~27w per core
>stock 8 core 9900k draws 204w which is ~25w per core
>but the 9900k is the housefire
Can someone explain to me how the 9900k's power consumption is unusual and warrants being called a housefire?
Angel Nelson
Do you plan on OC'ung the CPU? If not get the 8700 instead of getting an unlocked processor.
Brandon Johnson
>stock 8 core 2700X draws 104.7w which is 13w per core
8700k and 9900k are both housefires. 8700k was called a housefire as well. It is.
>8700 non-k
>unlocked
Mega brainlet here.
Xavier Bell
I imagine it's because it runs decently warmer than others cpu's. But considering how much it does it's not a huge deal. At least not to me.
Justin Perez
I just find it funny how people are foaming up the mouth with "it runs hot and draws too much power" when its perfectly inline with previous generations which run on the same arch and process when you account for core count.
a 9900k with MCE is just the limit of what most off the shelf cooling solutions can handle
Hudson Collins
The 2700X doesn't beat the 7700k in games, tell the truth next time at least, no reason to lie.
Easton Murphy
>NOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING
youtube.com
Kayden Rodriguez
retard