When will you grow out of Linux, it's just really a hobbyist OS with no redeeming features...

When will you grow out of Linux, it's just really a hobbyist OS with no redeeming features, it lacks all the software support that a modern OS needs to be considered usable.
it has no support, you need to rely on NEETs to provide updates and security patches, good luck with that.
No matter how you see it using an OS that isn't production ready is a waste of time.
>muh server
Linux is used only on web servers because it's cheaper, it's lacking for everything else.

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Isn't Android Linux though

Granted it's Linux but he point still stands since you won't be using Android for the desktop where you need professional applications and support.

> Not worth anything
> IBM just bought RedHat for 38 billion
Okay kid...

Cool, when will Loonix have Adobe suite available, or a decent audio production workflow?

aren't almost all web servers in the world running on linux? so like the entire internet?

pretty sure amazon and gewgle could afford any OS they wanted, or make their own, for their massive business critical web serving infrastructure

and yet they choose linux. why?

But not my gay men pc so your argument is invalid.

Pretty sure this just proves Linux is too generous and is therefore worse than windows. Please delete

>Android on more devices in the world than any other OS
>Linux is just a hobbyist OS with no redeeming features
really makes you think

If you want your argument to be
>Why isn't Linux windows
just ask that. No one will think any worse of you than they already do, and you can save us the need to beat this dead horse, again. Are those two sets of software what you deem necessary for an OS to be modern and worth using?

>Cool, when will Loonix have Adobe suite available
A lot of Adobe suite programs work well in wine, and there's many decent to good alternatives to them as well. GIMP or Kitra for Photoshop, Kdenlive for Premire, Synfig for Flash (admitidly pretty shit though), Inkscape for Illustrator, etc. Of course, you're not gonna see many of these used in an uber professional capacity at this point, but open source tools are growing all the time!
>or a decent audio production workflow?
I admit I'm not super endowed in this field, but Audacity is great, and I hear good things about Ardour.

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>well explain why my vibrating butt plug isn't working on Linux
gee I don't know mr. """artist""", maybe try getting a real job.

>this 7 year old zoomer that don't know how to use linux and is know crying on Jow Forums

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>Linux is used only on web servers because it's cheaper
This

>implying winblows is any fucking good for servers
>yuge fucking bloated kernel, 10 pounds of startup bloat, shit web server ports (try using fucking apache on windows server)
>crashes every other day
>no competent cli

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> He doesn't understand how Windows server works

all the software I use day to day runs on Linux, and I don't mean via Wine
shit, I even have a few commercial programs (which are a bit of a pain admittedly, since most of the things I run Linux on are non-x86, and the entirety of commercial desktop Linux software support is for x86 machines), I'm not in this for muh freedoms
the biggest issue I've had with Linux is hardware support, and it's basically just accelerated video (performance generally sucks on Linux, if just because of shit drivers) and wifi (fuck broadcom)

in terms of user experience, I just set up a plain jane xfce desktop for whatever and it's windows-y enough that people make an easy switch
the xfce settings manager still sucks, but so does Windows 10's, and I'm at least more familiar with xfce's at this point

my main machine runs windows like 90% because of hardware support, and 10% because random shit I'll need to run once in forever is Windows only
got no desire to put up with windows 10's bullshit, and I'll probably end up using Linux primarily again eventually

stop saying GIMP is anywhere near as good as PS
and I'm saying this as someone who puts up with GIMP even when on Windows and use it damn near daily

shit's a fucking mess, I tolerate it largely because I'm used to it
give me some fucking adjustment layers or multiple layer selection

Why do people use Linux?

>Windows server
>works

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bragging rights

I think "Linux" as most people know it (Ubuntu, arch, etc) is awful and only an autist would willingly use it. The community is full of angry hobbyist amateurs who don't care about making it easy to use or even "good" in any regard
Google is a big company of paid employees who have to take the time to think about how people are going to use their phone, how people WANT to use their phone, and how to make it easier.
I predict that in the next 10 years, Chrome OS with Android apps will be a big enough deal that people only care about that and it's clones and practically no one will be using "traditional" Linux desktops, I mean even less than the minuscule amount that care now
And by "traditional" I mean things like apt, snap, packages made for Ubuntu, etc. That'll all be replaced with Android apps

because only a fool or a good goy willingly installs spyware that they have to pay a license fee to use

>professional applications
I guarantee I have written much more software than you and all I use is Emacs. What applications are you referring to?

t. Has never worked with Windows servers before

oy

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>Linux is used only on web servers because it's cheaper,

Damn right. You know all companies will gladly cut costs, while getting an excellent product. That's why Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook all use or are embracing Linux. If you know enough Linux and can automate stuff with bash, Ansible, Chef you'll easily get land a nice job

Linux is used as a web server because it don't shit itself when you use a bazillion threads in it like the windows kernel will do.
And it has a LOT of software support from all the corporations that use it for the server.
But this support is as you can expect limited to the server side.

Jesus Christ, he's appears bright and then he opens his mouth and commits verbal diarreah

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>working on Windows
>bloated software crashes daily
>have to download untrustworthy 100mb exes from notavirus.net to convert files from one type to another or concatenate pdfs
>have to change esoteric settings 15 levels deep in the registry on the regular

>working on linux
>minimalistic utilities, everything can be input and output as a text file
>package manager makes all software 1 command away and perfectly integrated into your system
>update all software with one command, in the background
>all software has easy to modify .config files to change settings
>convert file1 file2

But sure, you can call it a hobbyist os, whatever that means.

I can't use anything for work, nice desktop environments, unix tools, supports literally everything(VPNs, ssh, Ansible/Chef, vim etc. OOB)

Why I use Linux

Workflow:
>better window management available
>actual non-hacky and easy key rebinds
>decent shells and programs, where I don't consider PS one
>completely integrated development environment that pervades the entire OS
>easy to set up new languages and their entire environment, even the smaller ones like Haskell
>actual good package managers

Technical abilities that I find useful:
>MUCH better filesystems, this isn't even a fucking contest
>on Linux there's no real file path length restriction
>no "illegal characters" in filenames except for /
>no fucking character encoding clusterfuck like on Windows
>network namespaces, which I use for a wireguard VPN
>better virtualisation than on Windows

Some definitely do use Linux for bragging rights, but that's not everyone. You're judging Linux users based on a very vocal minority.

I will admit that If you still use Microsoft Word, you MUST learn LaTeX before switching, because the alternatives are a disaster.

But if you actually prefer word to latex after learning how to use both, you have a room temperature iq and probably will do better off with windows.

Ubuntu niggers blow the fuck out

youtu.be/CP8CNp-vksc

It's also better at virtualisation, requires less resources to run in general, does not need a display system at all and has network namespacing, containers etc.

Software support is absolutely no issue on the server side of things. Companies using Linux is not necessarily due to cost either, since companies often need to put significant amounts of money into contributing to upstream projects.

Which Linux is the most "ethical" though, as Stallman would say? Is it Tails and Qubes? Gentoo?

Fuckin

All I use my computer for is
>Python for calculations at work
>Checking email
>Watching porn
>Watching youtube
>Shitposting

Why should I change my operating system? I use Linux Mint. Everything just works. I have a windows partition and it does the same shit except windows costs money unless you pirate it.

I agree with the fact that it's a hobbyist OS. I wanted to switch real bad, but for video production, animation, making beats and stuff. This cannot hold up. It requires too much tweaking and sometimes can't be done! If one's needs are limited to browsing, doc editing, listening to music and stuff, then it's great. It's also good for a home media server or a raspberry Pi hooked up to a TV. But for professional work, or gaming, it does not work.

You can go on the fsf/gnu website and see for yourself

>Wanted to switch real bad.
I'm sure you did
>Didn't work for professional work such as video production
Pixar, yes that Pixar, uses Linux for making movies
>Doesn't work for professional work or gaming
Ok, pajeet. You'll get your rupees

While I do care about FOSS and I like RMS a lot, I don't think pure free software distros are that much more ethical than, say, Debian which I use. All of the distros ship majority FOSS software and it is simply more convenient for me that distributions give me *some* proprietary binaries like CPU microcode, firmware for hardware and lets me install non-GPL compatible software like ZFS on Linux. I have like 1500 packages installed and out of all of those, about 15 of them are proprietary software. I don't believe I'd be helping myself nor the world at large by switching to an "ethical" distro.

In other words, I do care about FOSS, but I don't care about "distro ethics" because I don't think Debian, Ubuntu, Arch etc. are to any significant degree less ethical than gNewSense, Trisquel etc. which is what Stallman would recommend, and those two are simply inconvenient and unrealistic to actually use. Sometimes I have no alternatives than proprietary software, especially in the case of firmware. I'd rather have a usable computer system than ultimate ideological purity.

>does not need a display system
Well akshually, M$ Vindoz has powershells and can do commandline!

>But for professional work, or gaming,
That depends on your professional work. I'm this guy, and if your professional work involves software development, network/system administration etc. then Linux is often the more convenient and better choice over Windows.

Admittedly, video and audio production along with image editing and drawing are productivity areas where Linux is just not there at the moment. The situation is improving with Krita, Kdenlive etc. but it's hardly there yet. As for audio you obviously have the Pulseaudio problem with all its latency, and you're forced to use JACK, except JACK is super fucking clunky to actually set up and a lot of applications can't play audio through it.

I rarely have any use for any of these, and the greatest extent of my use of video editing is re-encoding with a script that uses ffmpeg. For me personally, Linux works just fine and is in my opinion a much better alternative.

>Well akshually, M$ Vindoz has powershells and can do commandline!
lol

>or gaming
You might want to learn about Steam in current year.

Why do you care.
Seriously, what drove you to make this post?

t. Windows user

nah. commercial software now is dogshit and botnet. Enjoy your candy crush tiles.

Enjoy being the 0.000000001% of users no one cares about

>0.000000001% of users no one cares about
funny how people keep making these threads if only a small amount of people use linux there must not be many to convert
really makes you think

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well macOS, iOS, and android users are all linux users because LINUX IS NOT AN OS

pathetic bait is pathetic

Convenient that it's not an OS when it suits you

It's always a kernel dumbass

iOS and macOS use the mach kernel, not linux.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Never, because Linux is for getting real work done, not stuff done by a soon-to-be McDonalds employee

why not audacity?

the thing is Lignux has really big fucking potential, but retarded programmers don't want to make use of it, instead, they just push more and more sjw faggotry, botnet, bloat and spaghetti code into it, desu, even
>when will you grow out of linux
and what that has to do with you, fag? nobody asked when you will grow out of retardposting

Like windows and mac users aren't aggravated at arbitrary changes, new features crammed down their throats, and features they use getting removed because lol fuck the users.

It's not 1998 anymore. The bar for software is so low, the fact that something is a commercial product has no bearing on continued support or quality.

Actually, I find Linux much more sane least in the audio department, at least.
I'll use a setup of my external DAC as an example:

-Wangblows 10:
>plug in external DAC
>play music with sample rates higher than 41k
>no sound
>spend minutes trying to find the damn audio device settings because wang devs can't fathom the concept of consistency
>replay song
>shitty re-sampling algorithm, even with Wasapi and god awful latency
>muh_bit-perfect.mkv
>dig for driver on DAC company's website
>download driver
>setup buffering but be careful to not make it have to little latency else sound goes to poo
>make shit bit-perfect
>done, time elapsed - 2 hours of problem solving; estimate it would take about 12-17 minutes knowing what to do before-hand.
Chadnux:
>plugin DAC
>play song
>immediate sound
>better latency than Wangblows, similarly shitty resampling
>Google "Wasapi in Linux" (for its equivalent)
>learn about ALSA
>switch from pulseaudio to ALSA in my music player
>just switching to ALSA makes shit bit prefect, no need for drivers
>low latency bonus
>done, time elapsed - 30 minutes of problem solving, 5 with pre-concieved knowledge
Mind I'd only used Linux for a week or so and Wangblows for years at the time of setting up the DAC.
This is one example of many where Linux was MORE convenient for me than Windows, while still not offering less.
It really feels too good to be true sometimes

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The moment a decent competitor has an alternative available for linux. Next question?

You probably just have shitty interface. Try that with RME interface or something like that, and you would be very surprised.

Stay mad, zoomer.

It's a Linux kernel with a java VM, so yes.

>professional applications
Like docker? KDevelop? BPF? Eclipse? Blender? Qt Creator? How about a kernel that can be its own VM? A portable shell language? Penetration testing?

Or actually, just kill yourself. You're clearly too stupid to live.

The answer is "terribly." You'd have to be literally brainwashed to use Windows for anything server related unless there's no other choice.

So you admit you've never touched it and don't know what you're talking about. Got it.

>retarded newfags still replying ancient bait like this
Also nice, moderation Hiro. Glad you hired all those janitors.

Sup Jow Forums I need a new PC for college, mainly for professional CAD, professional programming, professional Photoshop, professional video editing, professional quantum physics, professional AI ........ and (((((some))))) gaming

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Fedora and Red Hat don't have this problem.

Linux is a fucking joke

>you won't be using Android for the desktop
Why wouldn't I? I installed android on my laptop.

>decent audio production
JACK is literally the greatest thing in Audio software routing

Combined with Ardour, Audacity, Ladish and one of any VST hosts and its unbeatable. Or Rosegarden, Renoise, Qtractor, Buzztrax, Sunvox, SonicPi, CSound...

>Boohoo but my fruity loops don't work
Try LMMS, toddler

But what about professional audio interfaces? Are there many manufacturers that support it?

It werks for me

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>I'm so mature
>I use an operating system that even old people can understand in seconds
>you darn young people need to stop doing things I can't comprehend

the web is not the entire internet retard. you are talking about HTTP servers.

A lot of the infrastructure for Amazon.com is actually windows servers.

>install debian testing
>One of the most stable and developed distro's available for linux
>firefox is on version 52
>firefox can't even play html5 videos or anything else that uses h.264 codec

This is really souring me on the whole linux thing. Such simple fucking shit on a widely used distro and they still can't unfuck it???

I checked the bug tracker and it's been broken like this for at least an entire MONTH

No fucking wonder people don't use linux. I mistakenly assumed debian would be a 'just works' distro, but that assumption turned out to be wrong.

I think I've got it in me to try one more distro out before I just say fuck this whole linux thing and go back to windows. Firefox doesn't have any problems playing youtube videos in windows. Why can't linux figure this simple shit out?

the worst part about Linux is relying on package management. being able to independently update and distribute your software like you can on windows and android is a good thing.

mozilla.org/firefox/download/thanks/

>doesn't work for professional work/gaming
Wonder what you call what I've done for the last five years.

Linux is a kernel

linux landed me my job and now i have the top 0.4% salary in my country.

you on the other hand are probably jerking off in your mom's basement while playing vidya gayems, even though you live in america- the greatest country on earth, and have all the opportunities in the world. you are also probably a virgin because you're to afraid to get passionate about anything- and girls sense that, and they don't want a manbaby who's wasting his life.

so shut the fuck up, kid, would ya?

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>installs Debian TESTING
>lol I thought this was supposed to be stable

I don't really want to use snapflaps if I can avoid them.

I'm just stunned that debian testing, which should be at the relative forefront of updates, is actually almost 6 months behind with firefox, with a bug that makes youtube videos unplayable which should be affectin just about every single person using debian testing, and this issue has been reported and tracked for at least a month already, with a severity of 'important' without anyone bothering to actually fix it.

THIS is the power of linux maintainers and package managers. When a problem exists you have to sit there and wait for the maintainers to actually get off theri ass and do something, or else hack together a bunch of random shit that defeats the entire purpose of using a package manager in the first place.

Is there a distro that does a better job of staying on top of things without breaking than debian?

thx

Just get it from Mozilla's website. I'm using Debian as well and I have Firefox 63.

>it lacks all the software support that a modern OS needs to be considered usable
Such as?
Everything I need is there...

Irrelevant software for "Artists" who cares about bullshit like that?

>stop saying GIMP is anywhere near as good as PS
Gimp is BETTER THAN photoshop.

Jack works fine although setting it up was A PAIN IN THE ASS. I LOST SO MANY TIME TO MAKE IT WORK REEEEEEEEEEEEE, although everything works fine, at least for now.

If you are looking for DAW I highly recommend renoise - a spiritual successor to amiga trackers.

Another insecure computer user. OP, I just have the balls to use it and I have the abilities to make it work for whatever I need it to. I recommend you grow a pair too.

Debian Testing has Firefox ESR. It's very much up-to-date.

I don't think you understand the depth of the problems caused by that on Windows.

Just let GIMP die in peace and embrace Krita.

>you need to rely on NEETs to provide updates and security patches
If you know C and you know the problem why not fix it yourself?

Isn't Krita specifically for drawing?

Linux is also only used on all of top 500 supercomputers in the world to save some bucks on license

Technically, yes - but GIMP is so bad that modern Krita is still a better photo editor.

Still waiting for va-api support to land in Firefox...