Sup bois

>The projectile will expand upon impact and not penetrate any further than the ribcage
Perhaps that is the point?
They could be trying to reduce lethality, but seriously pelt the target hard. Just like those beanbag guns.

You're assuming the projectile won't deform further than OPs pic once it starts penetrating flesh. If they fold all the way back you have the equivalent of a copper shuttlecock. That's a lot of mass in a very unpleasant shape. Also shotgun slugs tend to take to human ribs the way muslim trucks of peace take to native Europeans.
youtube.com/watch?v=CY4tvV0Cq6I

Hague Convention of 1899 banned expanding bullets in war.

Only in war

So the 1080 to would be a good upgrade?

Would a i7 2600k @4.3 ghz bottleneck a 1080 ti?

>It would probably knock your target flat on his ass
Stop pretending you know anything about physics, much less ballistics.

I'd say the 2600k would bottle neck because the architecture is quite old.

That being said an 8th Gen i7 may only yield a 10-15% improvement.

>implying the full energy of a shell like this wouldn't be an instant death sentence
I'm sorry but no one is just going to get up from a 3 inch open wound and 1900 foot-pounds of energy expended into them over a very short distance

(OP)
It boils down to how much money you're willing to expend and what kind of games you play. Gaming at 1440p@144hz is crazy demanding. Get a new CPU if you play open world games otherwise go with the gtx 1080ti.

whats wrong with expanding bullets? also geneva convention seems retarded, its war for fucks sake. avoid it at all costs but dont make it out as if your not still killing the enemy

It generates unnecessary suffering.

There is no current card that will give you +60fps MIN at 1080p on ultra in modern games. Lots of progress in souping up these cards so that for a fraction of a second they can touch the sun, but in terms of minimum fps they are all about the same

>So far this computer has been great. But if I were to upgrade to a 1080ti 11gb, would I notice a difference in gaming? I game on a 1440p 144hz monitor and something it dips below my desired 60 FPS on a few modern titles.
it depends

it ensures death. shooting someone is unnecessary suffering

it ultimately depends on what games you play. you will never be reaching 100+ fps in games like assassin's creed odyssey, kingdom come, or even an ancient game like saints row 2 because of how poorly optimized they are even if you have RTX 2080Ti and i9 9900k.

Try pushing your 2600k more first. Sandy bridge should easily be able to hit 4.8 GHz with a decent bin.

Not true at all! My GTX 1080 on water easily does 90+ in most titles ultra settings at 1080p.

not OP but my 2500k can reach 4.6ghz on 1.37V, but trying to go to 4.7ghz requires 1.4+ volts and I'm not sure that's safe for 24/7 use, plus it runs hotter than what I'm comfortable with.

>it ensures death.
If it hits an arm or an leg it won't kill.

Neither will normal bullets

On a large node like sandy bridge I would think anything below 1.45 V is fine for daily use. It's also soldered.

and a normal bullet? geneva convention is retarded. i only agree with the chemical warfare part because it fucks up the environment

That's where the whole suffering thing comes in. Expanding bullets can potentially mess up the flesh so much that amputate will be the only solution.

>conventions and treaties
>doing literally anything

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>t. Jow Forumstard who has never actually loaded a 12 gauge
not even close to the size of a fist

brainlet

I'm in the same boat, if you want higher sustained fps you need to upgrade, the CPU will hold the 1080 back, not by a lot but future games will continue that trend.

the amount of nogunz in this thread talking like they know shit is sickening

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fair enough, but still I don't like the drastic temp rise from 1.4+ volts just to gain 100mhz.

mad he got proven wrong

Jow Forumsommando here, He's right though. The 12ga tango from OA is weak fucking garbage and literally has to be re-loaded with more powder and the projectile needs to be shaved down at the bottom for it to actually even WORK as advertised.

what about high caliber rifles?
A huge non-expanding bullet is going to do much more damage than a small expanding one.

>"guns don't kill people!"
NRAcucks will defend this

not even a 12 gauge shell

Yep. Literally went out of business because they were total garbage.

Hardware Canucks did a video on literally this issue a year ago.
Originally they compared a 8700k with a Sandy Bridge running a 1070 in 1080p, but viewers wanted to see the same comparison with done with the newer 1080ti
youtu.be/6dHCQOt5Nns?t=119
The first two minutes are just an explanation of why they thought a re-test was required + plus an advert.

It's worse than that. The primer was shit, the powder was shit, no gas seal just shitty o-rings, compressed fiber wadding, cardboard over fill barrier and about a 20% failure rate where it barely clears the barrel, or squibs out because of no gas seal so the primer didn't even ignite the powder. This is the slug that actually *killed* Oath. They went under very soon after releasing this dud.

Build a brand new pc on z390

>The projectile expelling all of it's kinetic energy in the target rather than passing through expelling next to none is somehow worse

hope you don't mean me there genius, that was my first post in the thread

>give us your foreskins so we can sell them back to you as facial cream!
AIPACucks will defend this

Doing damage was never a reason to ban it.

>brainlet
Please, user, enlighten me as to how international "governing" bodies have any jurisdiction whatsoever as to enforce laws on another country

then why are they banned?

This but unironically and buy the Aorus Master since it's been proven to have the best VRM out of all current Z390 boards

I was talking about the non-expanding rifle bullets.

fuck you op for you poor choise of image, and to hell to everyone of you who derailed thi post.

I am genuinely curious about this im in the same situation.And wished for more insight.

But from what i can gather, depending on the game your cpu will be 10-20 fps slower than newer systems, you will still see a boost from a 1080 ti but basically it wont be able to fully push itself to its limits.

In my position im just happy to play a game with w/e graphics i can get at anything over 30 fps. Though im pretty happy gaming windowed on a 1080p monitor.

Yeah, that's the point.

If the ultra-damaging high caliber non-expanding bullets are ok despite completely fucking up everything they touch, why are small expanding rounds banned if they create less suffering than the abovementioned rounds?

yeah except for the part where I don't condone/endorse genital mutilation. I am uncut, the way our Lord and Saviour intended.

hydrostatic shock is hard to understand tho:-(

Like I said, the amount of damage is not the problem. Hell, there's much more devastating shit being used in the army. Hollow bullets were banned because they tend to fragment in a way that's way too hard to remove every single piece out of the body.

>Like I said, the amount of damage is not the problem.
That's what I thought the post I was responding to () was implying. Hence my argument.

>Hollow bullets were banned because they tend to fragment in a way that's way too hard to remove every single piece out of the body.
How is that more of a problem than something that straight up turns your body into diced bacon?

I only recently upgraded from a first gen i7 at 3.2ghz and that mostly saturated a gtx 1070. after switching to a current gen i5 i only saw a 10% performance bump and that was mainly due to DDR4 2800mhz ram replacing my old DDR3 1866 memory.

Most of the bottle-necking issues people complain about are so minor they don't matter

The idea was to point out your needless invoking of a lobbying group as the sole cause for X mindset, but you missed it. The NRA are a bunch of pussy faggots that push for gun control measures fyi, so it's pretty obvious you're just regurgitating lines fed to you.
Guns don't kill people, btw.

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>something that straight up turns your body into diced bacon?
I don't know what you're referring to but I guess the reason is that there's no other alternative other than avoiding it entirely. Whereas in the case of bullets you can just use regular ammo and it will still do the job.

>I guess the reason is that there's no other alternative other than avoiding it entirely. Whereas in the case of bullets you can just use regular ammo and it will still do the job.
Makes sense

>I don't know what you're referring to
I'm talking about weapons powerful enough to completely destroy a body, which is much worse than having metal shards implanted in it.
If weaker weapons still do the job, why not ban the overkill ones too?

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>i only agree with the chemical warfare part because it fucks up the environment
If you shoot them they die quickly.
If you use chemicals they will die slower and much more painfully.
They die either way but one is a much more terrible death. That is the point. The environment is a big part of it too though like you said.

>why not ban the overkill ones too?
We already have things like the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons but the thing is armies will always want more powerful weapons, it's unreasonable to expect a ban on them based on how effective they are unless a good amount of countries get into an agreement.

Why do you think Germans were so ass-blasted after WWI genius?
How do you think Nazis gained power?

Wow that silencer really works, I didn't hear a thing!

International courts are purely principle based and their decisions only carry weight if countries agree to carry out the punishments, which are usually sanctions.

Why wear body armor then, you fucking dumb ass

Let the limeys killy themselves.

That's what I was thinking. No reason for it to be brass cased.

Nerve gas will end you a lot quicker than a dinky little 5.56

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That's what rubber bullets and rock salt are for dumbass.

You're setup is fine for now. Wait for AMDs offering. It'll be better or at least lower the price of Nvidias cards

Easy, Upside-down lion.

Downward strikes work with gravity and the normal force of the ground limits the energy dissipation of the opponent and maneuvering options. So Upside-down lion can hit harder and lion can't block or doge as effectively.

but once one of them enters the territory of the other they would fall out of earth, no?

Both aussies and lions are known to defy gravity in times of extreme stress.

Body armor literally breaks in order to expel energy.
And deflections also work to redirect energy.
This shell is not going to deflect off you.

If you are looking at a 1080ti a 10% bottleneck can be enough to be worth an upgrade

Would upgrading my 2600k to a 3770k help with the bottleneck? Or is it waste of time? I can always build my new PC later and keep the 1080 ti for the next build, I don’t see the 1080 ti being obsolete for quite a while

>choise

Like trump lmao

I don't think that would be a worth while upgrade, I'd say, get the 1080ti while prices are good.
Then in 6-12 months upgrade to a new generation processor (last 2 years)

Yeah but going to a newer generation would require a new mobo

>what's wrong with expanding bullets
They kill people you fucking idiot. That was never the point of war and hasn't been for centuries. Barbaric.

i agree. the point of war is to maim and disfigure so they can live the rest of their lives incapacitated. much more humane

You don't actually want to kill enemy soldiers if it can be avoided. A wounded combatant will need one to two of his fellow fighters to either give first aid and/or bring them to the rear for medivac. Thereby lowing the fighting capabilities of their unit further than a kill would. Increased penetration of non-expanding bullets is also favorable, as targets are often utilizing some kind of cover.

Even if the Geneva convention went the way of the dodos, would most armies still issue full metal jacket to the majority of their troops.

This attitude of yours is the most revolting. I guess this is what happens in time of relative peace.
youtu.be/wKi3NwLFkX4
Watch this in full. Maybe you'll start to understand the attitudes involved. This is modern military.
You're meat at best after your statements. Be happy that these people protect you.

There are bans on "overkill" weapons as far as I'm aware. Tanks are forbidden to engage infantry with their main canon, if I remember correctly. Though such rules are rarely followed.

To clarify, which I realize might be necessary. Total war and war are different things. You have war to break down obstacles to a peaceful resolution where the sides have concluded no possible diplomatic solution.
You have total war to eliminate the enemy.
You are implying that war should immediately and by default be total war.
The Geneva convention has many purposes but among them is to facilitate the future possibility for peace. That's why holy sites are protected. Indiscriminate use of force (chemical, biological, nuclear) is prohibited. It doesn't facilitate peace for obvious reasons. (hurr, Hiroshima i hear you say you fucking idiot, we won't go there)
In the case of total war those rules obviously do not apply because there's no body to enforce them.

You disgust me the world would absolutely be a better place without you. You're the kind who want to kill or oppress people you disagree with and only superior force is stopping you. Thank God it's there.

Oh my fucking god fucking fuck go to fucking Jow Forums Jesus Christ. Fuck.

>hurrrrr duurrrrr I don't know shit about guns or the human anatomy.

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We civilized countries don't actually fight to win, so there's no reason not to hamstring our militaries with burdensome regulations. Helps prolong the war.

I really want to see a tech demo of that hollow point. I hope mexican cartels can deliver now that ISIS is gone

>It doesn't facilitate peace for obvious reasons. (hurr, Hiroshima i hear you say you fucking idiot, we won't go there)
Not that user, but you're really bad at arguing a point. Not only are you balls deep in ad hom but you also acknowledge counterpoints and then casually brush them aside with zero explanation. Why are you disregarding the one use of nuclear weapons to acquire peace? The classic explanation is they prevented a larger loss of life that would have been incurred by both sides in the course of carrying out a land invasion. You're also grossly misrepresenting that user's position, which seems to be "lowering quality of life through paralysis, loss of limb, or otherwise incapacitating a person is a fate worse than death" and you're conflating that with "wanting to kill or oppress people you disagree with."
A good way to make the other person and any spectators completely disregard what you're saying is to do it to the opposition first. Your post sucks, you suck, and you can go fuck yourself with this garbage.

Keep the 1070 and upgrade to an 8700k or 9900k. You will benefit more with the CPU than the 1080ti. Frame-times will be a huge improvement which will make a game go from a stuttering POS to silky smooth.

I came from a 2500k to an 8700k with a 980ti. Frame wise I got a solid 30 FPS boost just with the CPU alone. And games that I don't get a steady FPS still feels smooth because of the timing. BF1 used to be a stuttering mess. Now it's smooth.

>ad hom
You don't understand what that is or you can't read if you see it in my post. An insult or complaint of moral character isn't even close to adhom.
>Arguments concerning nukes
This person doesn't have the historical context to understand if they still hold that opinion i believe. We're time constrained here. I'm not in the business so lying unlike some who considered admitting holes a 'poor argument'. You're not as disgusting as this fellow but please reconsider how you argue.
>grossly misrepresenting
The man has admitted to thinking the purpose of war is the death of the enemy. -> wanting to murder opposition
Ignoring one statement in favor of another when responding doesn't make you more right in any way.
>good way of making people disagree
Hard to judge, it really is. I think it's a far fairer representation of why war has rules than the person who thinks ball ammo regulations is some kind of sun tzu. And it's way better than someone who opposes all those rules because they don't care for their purpose without bothering to read the motivations. Or worse yet is wilfully ignorant.
>your post sucks
I would guess this is what you would classify as ad hom. I'd be interested to hear the argued difference, from someone other than you. I can see so many replies to this and all of them have less than 2 seconds of thinking time behind them. That's why I don't want to discuss.

>business so lying
That's what I get for typing a response on a phone.