/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Create a parts list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a guide for your socket

Want help?
>State your budget & CURRENCY
>List your uses eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors include purpose and graphics pairing
>NO Speccy. Use HWinfo
>For Win7 in Ryzen pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

CPU
>Athlon 200GE - Bare minimal desktop/gaming
>R3 2200G - Light gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-9700k/8700k - If you have a $2000+ budget and don't care that it'll be superseded by 7nm CPUs next year
>R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform
>Wait for R7 3700X - Surely the best overall and not a massive disappointment like the 9900k
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than previous gen
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others w/ small heatsinks and low quality fans
1080p
>RX 570/580 w/ Freesync or 1060 6GB - standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb - lower settings and/or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor
1440p
>Vega 56; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync
>GTX 1080Ti - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor
4K
>Upscale from 1620-1800p. Maybe 2080Ti but awful value
OpenCL use
>Vega 64

Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models
>Always consider FreeSync w/ AMD cards
>FOR GAMING START YOUR BUILD WITH A MONITOR FIRST, then make your build to drive it appropriately

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In 2016 I built a computer but something was wrong and I have no idea to this day what it is, I turn off my computer, and it instantly turns on again.
If my computer goes into sleep mode, it shuts off, and then turns on again, so I had to completely disable sleep. This has been going on for 2+ years so I've gotten completely used to this, but now that I'm building a new computer I want to prevent this from happening again. What could this be? I already adjusted power settings in Windows, as well as the BIOS but none of the settings I changed seem to have done anything.

Should I splurge on 970 evo or buy a bigger 2.5" drive?

why do you need those high read/writes boyo? buy a big 2.5 sata drive and be done

Why not an M.2 Sata drive?

I just bought this:

pcpartpicker.com/list/2hdND2

are you willing to pay $100 to just load a videogame 0.5 seconds faster than a sata ssd?

Anywhere I can get a good CPU cooler for cheap? I have an old watercooled one, but it's bulky and kind of a pain in the ass to adjust when taking the computer apart.

>but sorry I guess?
All is forgiven

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Really have no idea.

Seems like one of those problems that a BIOS update or windows reinstall would fix.

The fuck do you need a NVMeme for? Read the OP.
Since you have to ask, you clearly won't make use of it.

It doesn't improve load times at all. Not even 0.5s over a fast SATA SSD.

Freezer 33 is pretty much all you need with a soldered CPU that's not the 9000 series.

>I just bought this:
>pcpartpicker.com/list/2hdND2
That's what too much money for a blower 1080. You could have gotten Vega64 for cheaper. Did you forget to set the price you actually paid in there or something? If it was like $350, then not bad.

How is this prebuilt?

reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/9xfyg1/prebuilt_alienware_aurora_r7_i58400_8gb_ram_gtx/

or should i buy one from ironside?..

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weird flex but ok

How much more exactly do you think Sata M.2 drives cost over 2.5" drives?

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if you weren't going to use nvme then it won't matter

You're retarded.
That m.2 is still has a SATA controller.

Is a 580 8GB for 1440p good if you don't play AAA garbage? I also have a R5 1400 with DDR4 CAS 16 3000mhz, is RAM OCing risky?

Asking on behalf of retarded user looking at NVMe drives.
>You're retarded.
>That m.2 is still has a SATA controller
I literally said "Sata M.2" in both my posts. I fear there's someone retarded here, and it isn't me.

I'd rather have a 2.5" than an m.2 just because it fits in everything and every board has a million sata ports.

Are there price drops on the 580 currently after the release of the 590?

get an rx 480 off a miner for half price and overclock it

That's not my question

that gpu is fine for 1440p but that cpu won't be

>buying a failed architecture

I'm the opposite. M.2 avoids unnecessary cabling and leaves other drive bays in your case available for future expansion.

I'm thinking of upgrading to a RTX 2080 and a 2TB Crucial SSD. I don't really like used hardware components so not really interested in a used 1080TI, SLI sucks unless you play only AAA games, and I need to replace my 7 year old HDD.

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I answered your real question

Knowing that, your reply to makes no fucking sense.
That user didn't say that SATA M.2 costs more than SATA 2.5"

>Google for me
A new RX580 pretty much costs less than a used RX480 if you can sell the games to someone. And it's new with warranty.

Yes, quite good. You'll want to OC the VRAM. Shouldn't have much problem hitting 9Gbps.
Pretty similar or better than a 390X, and those were good 1440p cards in older games, less demanding games, etc.
As far as RAM OC, no it's not risky. 1.4v is perfectly safe. Just try and tighten up timings.
Why would that CPU not be? It's 4c/8t.

After all the disastrous news the past few weeks regarding RTX cards, you're still considering it? Go ahead, then.

>RTX 2080
>upgrading to a meme card that spontaneously combusts
Imagine being this much of consumerist cuck

oh, it is too. i assumed since it was a really low number it was some dual core turd

>Google for me
Googling isn't giving me anything fucktard

Manufacturing issues are manufacturing issues, I'm sure every RTX on the planet is blowing up. From a price performance though the 1080 isn't really what I'm looking for, not going to do SLI ever again. So that leaves the 1080TI which is another $200+ new compared to the 2080 for similar performance or the 2080.

If you can get a 2080 for not too much more than a 1080ti go for it. It's a little faster even in normal games and the gap will grow in the next couple of years.

>Knowing that, your reply to # makes no fucking sense.
That user didn't say that SATA M.2 costs more than SATA 2.5"
Did you even read the post that responded to? Or did you just jump in without actually following the conversation chain? I accept your apology.

This worth to get now before the black Friday shitstorm or should I expect better for black Friday?

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Just get it, someone (like me) will probably snatch that up before nigger friday

RTX 2080 is about $750 right now and the GTX1080TI is above $850 new.

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Is there a 1440p 120hz+ non curved monitor with a particularly good contrast ratio / low black level? Everything seems to be either a 1000:1 TN panel or curved.

no. deal with it.

Yes, that post replied to was referring to an NVMe. 970 doesn't come in SATA.

>What is an extremely stretched node on its last legs which you can't justify spending a lot on only to have it be drastically superseded the next year

You could always contact support to see if they'll price match if it's cheaper on black friday. Or return it.

$750 for a 2080 with a failed yield die, or a die which was actually advertised in review samples and the FE?
>~60% more money for a ~30% performance improvement over Vega64/1080 either way
Nice Nyotengu, at least.

There should be a few that are around 1600:1 or higher and IPS/VA, yes. LG, Samsung, and Pixio models in particular.

Just the VRAM? Did some reading and apparently increasing core clock doesn't do too much opposed to OCing memory.

>Yes, that post replied to was referring to an NVMe. 970 doesn't come in SATA
No, that post responded to "why not Sata M.2?" which was in response to another post suggesting the only alternative to an NVMe was a 2.5" drive.
Still accepting of your apology in advance btw

At 1440p, you tend to be mostly bandwidth limited and a VRAM overclock can give you good gains.
At 1080p, core clock matters more.

Boy, you really are retarded. The post did not suggest the only alternative was 2.5" SATA, just SATA in general. The 860 m.2 is a SATA SSD.

if you could make a 1080p 60 FPS focused gaming PC for under $500 which CPU would you recommend? ryzen 1600?

>You could always contact support to see if they'll price match if it's cheaper on black friday. Or return it.
Doesn't work that work retard

4770k

>The post did not suggest the only alternative was 2.5" SATA, just SATA in general.
>"big 2.5 sata" means SATA in general
Dunno how you interpreted it that way, but ok...
>The 860 m.2 is a SATA SSD
Considering it was literally put forward as an example of "Sata M.2", you don't fucking say.

intel optane worth picking up this blacked friday??

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Fuck no.

Ignore him, he's just an attention whore giving bad advises.

Not worth the hassle of trying to find a working Z97 or Z87.

What B350 motherboards are worth purchasing to pair with at 1600?

Nvm you're right. The user replied saying that m.2 SATA was $100 more when it wasn't. I thought he was replying to the other post about a 970 with that.

Does in the USA with most retailers.

Eh I suppose. Would really try to stretch budget to around $625 so you can get a 2600 and 480Gb+ SSD, though.

Most b350 boards seemed to have issues. Some are fixed in BIOS, but some had manufacturing defects or were just plain bad designs.
You can get the B450M Bazooka for only $75, too. Actually think the Mortar was on sale for $70.

Return it may be tricky. I live in Canada but have a family member the states that can bring it over. I don't think I'll mine the 1080p @ 27"

Dell Optiplex with a 3770 i7, 8gb ram then add an SSD and a low power 1050ti. Bonus points for a SFF 9020 with a low profile 1050ti.
Most of the his advice is on point, other times his advice is a little presumptuous and often condescending. On this occasion he's just misinterpreted a conversation, and jumped in to try and feel right.
>Nvm
No problem. Maybe I should've made it clear I wasn't retarded NVMe user.

Anyone found a good 2TB SSD for under $300? I see the Micron 1100 but that's it.

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570 or 580?

Which has better value?

>micron

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Yeah which is why I'm looking for some other options for around that price. Crucial as well has 2TB SSD for just over $300

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fractal case sale when

Micron 1100 is a HDD replacement and you shouldn't use it as a main drive.
SU800 2Tb is $300 and good enough to use as a main drive as well. I'd wait to see if there is a black friday sale, though.

RX580 Red Devil is a super good GPU for $200, plus the games.
RX570 might be mathmatically better value, but you'd sooner have to turn down settings. So I'd just go with the 580.

But if you really don't care about turning down settings and/or just want a hold over GPU for 7nm, then the 570.

When redditors stop buying them.

Alright guys I have a question, last year I put together my first computer build which was:
Ryzen 7 1700 (X370 Taichi board)
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB
(PSU) EVGA G3 750W
(My Monitor is 1080p 144hz)
I want to switch to a better CPU because I had gone through hell and high water trying to fucking stabilize Ryzen 1 thinking I could just learn overclocking in less than a year. I want to just brainlet plug and play this year and I am trying to decide on if I should replace my mobo and CPU or replace my graphics card or both.

My "goal" is to max out my monitor and cap 144hz FPS on all games at 1080p.

My current consideration was going for i5 9600k and a budget z390, but "yOuTuBe reviewers" have said that budget z390 is garbage and not worth looking into. I am also hesistant to buy Ryzen again because I got shit performance out of Ryzen 1 and a horrible time trying to get my fucking RAM to work. I don't really want to go through that process again.

If I'm going to replace my GPU, I was thinking of getting a 1080 if it hits a great price after Thanksgiving or even go for a 2070 XC Ultra (gamersnexus reviewed it saying that it was a better performer than a 2070 for it's money). All in all I have been very dissapointed with both CPU releases this year and GPU releases and I am at an impass. Can anyone give me any thoughts on what might be my best bet?

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Anyone else want 10% off RTXs?

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>he fell for the RTX meme

why didn't you use google express for 15% off instead?

get a ryzen 7 2700 (unless, of course, you made a typo. if you made a typo, then your build is fine)

What's a good price for a 1080 and where do I get a used one from a trusted source? I'm seeing a few used ones on eBay for just under 400, is that worth it? How about a new one for 450?

I'm on the fence, is a refurbished GTX 1080 FE from Micro Center for $380 a good idea?

Ok so here's the deal, i'm planning a build and i should be done with buying the parts in about 3 months maybe.
But with the black friday arriving soon i'm wondering when i should buy my GPU. I don't want to miss a deal and regret it later, but i also don't want to buy one and then see there's a new model releasing soon after. So what should i do? Should i plunge in now or just wait?
Oh and here's my build so far. It's my first one so it might not be perfect.
ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/V74mBb

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Kinda depends on what games you play and what graphics level you want. 1080 can do 144 on BFV on probably High graphics.

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What cpu and how much ram should I get if I want to open 100 sfm tabs at the same time without lagging?

I just said I am hesitant to buy Ryzen again because my memory training and XMP both sucked major fucking cock. If I was going to purchase a Ryzen 7 again I would have to be guaranteed not to have shit hole memory issues, especially since the infinity fabric basically fucking cucks your CPU if your mem is shit

the book in the OP isn't a bad idea, I might just begin writing my first book. Learning to use web indexing services is GOAT-tier skills for any human being

So... you're not even in a situation where your CPU would bottleneck your GPU. So why were you trying so hard to OC?
Have you tried just using your boards auto-OC feature, too?

I don't get why you wouldn't just get a 2600X/2700X as a CPU upgrade when you already have a high end board.

>I am also hesistant to buy Ryzen again because I got shit performance out of Ryzen 1
... you bought a 1700 which is basically a productivity or home server CPU. You'd probably have been better off and saved money for gaming getting a 1600X.
>RAM shit
Did you update your BIOS...? I had trouble with RAM on launch BIOS, but it's great on my ASRock board now.

>he bought one of the failed yield models
Youch.
No thanks. I'll stick with my 90%+ the same performance for half the price and not have to deal with the terrible 416 drivers.

>ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/V74mBb
>550 CAD for a TN panel
Yikes
>H115i
Aren't these really loud and bad?

... So can Vega56 for a lot cheaper. Beats the 1080 in that game with a simple VRAM OC.

One of the questions is how much 1070ti/1080 stock is left

Ideally you want to buy before tariffs and before price hikes kick in because of "shortages"

I have updated my BIOS, my timings only go auto to 2933 on my 3200 mhz rated memory, I had to manually adjust timings to get it to even run at rated speed, even then it wasn't stable.

My friends also have better performance on intel CPUs in games even on older CPUs like the 6700k, I called AMD before and they gave me the same shit answer "Uh if your CPU usage isn't 100% its ur grafix kard". If anything I can scrap this CPU and board to a salvage unit and use it for 2nd CPU streaming encoder, because that would be something I would like to have.

>SU800 2Tb is $300 and good enough to use as a main drive as well. I'd wait to see if there is a black friday sale, though.
Now there's an option. Why shouldn't the Micron 1100 be used as a "main" drive though? And I am replacing a 1TB 7200PM HDD.

Are you sure you're actually CPU bottlenecked? I don't usually recommend intel at current prices but if you're unhappy with Ryzen 7 1700 then the only thing that makes sense is to go for an 9900k with 2080ti. Every other upgrade from what you currently have isn't enough of a step up to justify the massive waste of money you're about to commit. Use the 1700 for a dedicated streaming PC. The elephant in the room is that the 1060 is a pretty fucking mediocre graphics card in late 2018.

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My system is stable when it's been running for a bit, from a cold boot it fails a prime95 almost instantly.
I figure this is probably a voltage that needs tweaking. Any suggestions?

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Also - this was an issue before I swapped the CPU to a xeon (from a 4820k), so it's probably not the CPU.

got a MSI Armor RX580 8GB OC and when I play CSGO (1080p 75Hz) with all the settings set to max it got hot and noisy. I guess one can't enjoy ultra setting 1080p comfortably without at least a 1070 or vega. either that or I'm just a faggot for choosing this exact card.

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If you're going Coffeelake, go with the 8700K on a decent Z370 board. To me the i7 just makes more sense to the amount of hardware you get for the price, even if it's still expensive.
Lower end Z390 being shithouse isn't much different to the lower end Z370s as a lot of them were rubbish too.
If you want a more fuss free experience with Ryzen though, go with a 2600X/2700X with a good B450/X470 and enable PBO. It's basically a dynamic variable overclocking tool that works similar to Pascal's GPU Boost 3.0.

>newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814137258
1070 Ti what's the catch? it even comes with free monster hunter

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the only massive waste of money I committed was buying Ryzen 1 in the first place

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2500k here. What to upgrade to?

35 euro 240SSD to add to to my 1TB harddrive with storeMI
Or 3TB harddrive for 75 euros

>MSI Armor
Those coolers are total memes. You can try to adjust your fan curve but the first thing I would do is undervolt it in MSI afterburner. My 580 can run stable for 1080p gaming at just over 1 volt.

the catch is it comes with monster hunter

>duke

Upgrading from 8GB to 16GB, are these a meme?

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alright lads, looking ot build a tiny power house for a friends studio, here's what I've got, just need a form factor case but I have no idea how to plan out for a case. I think it'll ultimately come down to PSU placement but that's complete speculation.

tl;dr how do I pick a suitable case where form factor is of most importance?

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>Why shouldn't the Micron 1100 be used as a "main" drive though
Slow and only 400 TBW on 2TB is really substandard.

>MSI Armor
Read the OP.
My RX580 Nitro+ handled much more demanding games while being silent.

>"Uh if your CPU usage isn't 100% its ur grafix kard
... it is. Not exactly that, like it could be 35% and bottlenecking technically. But a 1700 isn't going to bottleneck a 1060.
Are you not getting 99% GPU usage...?

2600/X.

MHW is a $40 game in the Humble Store.
Vega is cheaper, all things (Freesync and its own games it comes with) considered, is the catch.
Not much point in getting a 1070Ti unless you already have a Gsync monitor. In which case, that's a pretty good deal if you want MHW as well.

stay on sandy bridge for as long as you can nigga.

for windows 16gb is essential. windows alone takes 4-5gb.

I agree, I don't know why you bought a 1700 in the first place but you'd be compounding that waste by fucking up the same way a second time. You never should have bought Ryzen if you were interested in 144 Hz gaming and you probably shouldn't buy Ryzen again. Even though the 2700x is a fine CPU, it's still going to be less reliable when it comes to 144 Hz compared to a delidded 8700k or 9900k. In fact, to this day 144 Hz 1080p gaming is probably the ONLY reason you'd pay the intel premium.

RX 590 still a meme if I want the games that come with it? I already own a freesync monitor so I think it'd work out fine. Also, does cas latency matter for an R5 2600? I've heard about the issues with the R7 CPUs

choose one without a heatsink.

No, I'm not getting 99% GPU usage in most games, and when I do get 99% GPU usage my frames rest in peace.

1070ti or 1080? What's the difference?

Why?