Since the retard mods banned this let's try again. Continued from the last thread. Decentralized chan proposal due to failure of alt chans and impending failure here:
Here's the basic gestalt on the solution:
1. Start a new development project. 2. Have competent non sperg non le php pro devs from the start (no Josh moons) 3. Have real time lines and goals. 4. Have crowd funding that meets those timelines and goals. 5. Develop a chan engine that runs using a command and control server and p2p for everything else with limited content storage hosting to control bandwidth and thus costs 6. Develop a node function that allows many different chans to function as seemless parts of the same p2p hosting system with cross linking therefore growing each other as a confederation of nodes 7. Integrate block chain for payment processing and donations.
Existing software lacks the specific things needed for this. You need a decentralized image board engine. For example when I say imagboard engine I am talking about things like openib (which is what Ron Watkins runs 8 chan on).
Or for example infinity next which failed due to Josh being a faggot. Or lynxchan engine which is what endchan and a few others run on.
Those are the underlying software packages that run everything. You need one of those except more robust and able to do p2p and node to node hosting sort of like a bit torrent for chans only faster and less fragmented.
Ideally it would work similar to how tor used to work you would launch a client then open your browser of choice and be able to view all the boards. Anyone who was trusted would be able to host nodes that shared the load of the boards and like 8 chan you'd be able to make your own boards.
Unlike 8 chan by virtue of the nodes board owners would not be able to act like mini moots and cuck the boards and also unlike 8 chan inactive boards would flush out of the system automatically instead of endlessly accumulating and lagging out the database.
>inb4 every page fetched from a peer is just >NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER ... Sounds great!
Christian Hill
To elaborate a bit more. Previous projects designed at producing a "future proof" or rather a "censorship proof" (relatively) image board engine have failed for various reasons. In some cases lack of support in other cases lack of competent devs and funding (what killed infinity next).
Hiro is splitting the site because he can clearly no longer afford to host it as is, it is not simply because he's greedy and wants advertising money for himself although that is also part of it.
Splitting the site will lead to site death as the blue boards will eventually be more and more heavily moderated in order to appease advertising company requests. The same has already happened to YouTube. Dmca trolling with make this effect even more severe. Sooner rather than later it will not be possible for the existing user base to exist.
Thus a solution is needed. Previous projects did not emphasize decentralization and therfore failed to gain a user base due to being no different from the current site.
Adrian Thomas
If you are a lazy shit and don't code beyond just a client then yes. There would still be a command/control management server and there would still be posting validation the difference is it would all be done on essentially what amounts to a bit torrent of chans (only it would move much faster than bittorent).
Conversely an intranet or use net might be a better anology for what I'm describing. It would not be purely p2p but it would not be centralized.
Wyatt Evans
Post need to be in BlockChain is easy but because CP you need avoid images or Videos.
David Miller
You can prevent cp posting even in block chain with post validation.
We also need the actual image board engine. 8 chan uses openib which is trash 4chans engine is depreciated and won't work. Lynxchan might work but it's privately held.
An engine still needs to be developed.
Julian Campbell
I'll make a start on the logo shall I?
Justin Murphy
What about porting vichan or something to ipfs? I mean it's distributed rather than decentralized, but the end result is similar. Unless I'm retarded in which case enlighten me
Just begins hyperlinks host to shitty imagesite in europe of east.
Michael Brooks
No. If you fags do the logo and such first, itll become another worthless Jow Forums project that never makes it past that stage. I caught the Nyaa fuckery later on but if you want this little "proposal" to come to fruition, stick that shit to the side and work first. You still have time before gookmoot does his shit so don't waste it on arguing what the logo and name should be in the meantime. Get the site up into an up and running beta before deciding to do with it, as stupid as this sounds.
Charles Bell
seems busy enough, board of mine has gotten some five posts a day alone. pretty busy overboard but not as many instances anymore
John Sanders
i give it 5 seconds before it just becomes a glorified Jow Forums
from that thread on hiro just wants more money, i dont see a problem with it though.
Joshua Lopez
We already have a decentralized chan (even better, distributed actually) it's called 0chan and it's on the distributed network ZeroNet. Now fuck off and stop reinventing the wheel.
Ryder Gonzalez
>You need one of those except more robust and able to do p2p and node to node hosting sort of like a bit torrent for chans only faster and less fragmented.
WebRTC
Cameron Diaz
>let's get private citizens to host one of the most hostile, widely-attacked websites on our home computers >the absolute state of Jow Forums This is officially the dumbest thread I've seen on this board all month.
It's basically an unmanageable clusterfuck that wastes resources like a motherfucker, since each post has to be validated as many times as there are nodes. Not only that, but you're also facing the risk of getting doxxed and v&'d for hosting that shit. And what about phone posters, are they gonna be just freeloaders? There's no real way to mitigate any of these things.
On top of that, you either end up with an elite group filtering/moderating the site, or the site gets fried by spammers.
>block chain for payment processing Nigga you don't know the first thing about block chain.
This idea is DOA.
Justin Gray
just go on lainchan dot org you retarded niggers. stop reinventing the wheel. we've had Jow Forums alternatives ever since Gamergate.
Jow Forums never cared about decentralization and now it's too late :^) people start to care when it's too late, every damn time. would love more nntpchan attention regardless.
Isaiah Kelly
nntpchan looks very promising.
Matthew Jenkins
here's a name you can use for the project: DecentChan
Aiden Lopez
this
Camden Perry
we've had Jow Forums alternatives for as long as Jow Forums has existed.
Easton Long
it was turned off due to massive child porn spam
Austin Davis
Yeah that's to be expected.
Andrew Bennett
I'm sorry but there is zero downside to what Hiro is doing.
Daniel Clark
solution: ban tor posting
Charles Foster
why not host it in a onion site and call it a day?
Luke Fisher
>host onion only >all requests from loopback >no ip bans >no ip limiting not worth it. t. speaking from experience.
Carter Perez
Every spin off chan ever made has failed. What makes you think your stupid idea will somehow work?
If you honeslty think that this minor thing will be the end of Jow Forums then go to fucking eightchan you mongrel
Aaron Brown
NAT traversal is still a pain in the ass. Can't run in a vanilla browser. Nobody with 2 neurons to rub together is going to waste months of their life helping poltards spam their retardation better. Just go join Gab or Voat or whatever random site that one nazi smart enough to search 'twitter/Jow Forums/reddit clone' on github has set up for you already.
Brayden Bailey
>stop making things aaaaaaaa ur a nazi k
Caleb Gutierrez
solution: ban tor and all open proxies
Joshua Russell
If you want to try this, fail, and realize that it's because you're retarded, you have my blessing.
a p2pchan won't work, nntpchan's federated server model is objectively superior in every way. you can't prove me wrong.
Bentley Foster
>this thing that hasn't failed yet is worse than this thing that's already failed Sure thing champ.
Jonathan Butler
feel free to make the mistakes of freenet over again and not learn a god damn thing.
Juan Morgan
...... Why? Message boards are already decentralized. Don't like Jow Forums? Move to another message board. And besides a similar thing exists without any block chain memes. The fediverse (pleroma, Mastodon, gnusocial)
Charles Baker
fediverse is a different animal, it doesn't permit anonymous posting and requires an identity, in fact it's entirely based on identity.
Gavin Cruz
>ZeroNet >stop reinventing the wheel This is the only sane answer. We just have to rewrite zeronet WITHOUT that fucking massive JS shit.
Wyatt Williams
What part of "Nobody with 2 neurons to rub together is going to waste months of their life helping poltards spam their retardation better" are you failing to understand? Try whatever architecture you want, since it's just to realize you're retarded any way.
Ayden Ortiz
>muh ebil pol boogieman opinion discarded
Robert Nelson
A text-only site could probably be easily hosted for a hundred bucks per month nowadays. Just have all media on IPFS. Since most browsers don't support IPFS write a plugin which will enable IPFS functionality.
Jason Jackson
>ipfs bloated and fuck you for being a dumb shit for even suggesting
Ethan Rodriguez
your asshole is bloated from taking too many dicks
Christian Clark
what part of you Jow Forums touched?
William Perry
nohomo
Jason Perry
so is there a working one, so I can see how it looks and feels like?
Dylan Hughes
This sounds overly complicated to me, but here a alternative idea. I think a decentralized text message board that is just server(s) that can add new messages to a daily sqlite database (available for download;named like yyyy-mm-dd_server.ext) using a per daily database unique id. Reply to that database file and id creates a entry in the current days database on the server you sent the message to. Server software would be really simple, client software would be pretty simple to if not considering formating, just keep track of different servers and download and merge (or not) and reply to whatever specific server you tell it to. As far as the servers are concerned the message being replied to doesn't have to exist. Probably a list of known servers should be available on every server. No logos no images, the language doesn't matter just a the naming scheme for databases and the single table scheme for the databases.
>muh decentralised network fuckoff queer, that shit never survives
Eli Jones
so I store part of Jow Forums on my PC, and serve it to autists? What if they post degenerate shit am I responsible for it if it's sharded on to my PC?
Benjamin Brown
There are no lawyers ITT, but there are no programmers either, so you're in the clear either way.
Julian Ramirez
So, FidoNet?
Joshua Jackson
I don't know, I forgot about spammers. A message filter spam detection functionality for the servers.
Never heard of fidonet but yes/no. I don't think replication across servers is necessary unless one disappears but then everyone already has their old daily databases so does it really matter.
i'm a drupal dev and would be willing to do this in drupal it would be very very easy and 100% dockerized
Nolan Morris
Serial Experiment Lain is the worst anime ever created
Isaac Gonzalez
Listen faggots, I’m pretty sure no substantial Jow Forums project has ever come to fruition like this. If you want to “propose” something then fuck off. Come here for ideas or anything else, but do it on your own and make a post when it works and you want people to test it. Otherwise you are doomed to failure and you won’t blame yourself because you’ll say the only reason it failed is because you can’t do everything yourself. That’s not true since you are actually a faggot with no life and you can do everything yourself but the reason that you are a faggot is that you are too stupid to do it. So if you want to prove otherwise do it yourself, faggot. Come here after we can download something.
Ryan Phillips
you are aware of the fact that such a service would be hijacked by pedos within days? >enjoy getting v& for hosting cheese pizza
Jordan Green
Can't the cheese pizza be handled by an automated filter? Pretty sure that filter exists already and all you have to do is implement it.
From there you just have to report to the FBI anything which isn't on the filter, then add its hash to the filter.
Decentralization suffers from one major problem: lack of moderation. Without it you get a cesspit of Jow Forums, questionable porn, and gore.
Isaac Nelson
It would be 2003 all over again. Nothing wrong with this, and with a light touch from 2018 and image recognition, filters could be put in place to scrub unwanted material locally. As long as content is safely transmitted and stored, we'll be fine.
Camden Gomez
the solution is already here, it's called nntpchan, so i don't know why faggots are in this thread sperging about their horrid ideas when there's already one they can help out with
you de/g/enerates are 100% directionless. we see this with "organising" a meshnet, we see this here, where everyone wants to make the logo and doesn't know a good idea when it hits them in the face
anime website
there's ways to deal with it; we just need to strike a balance between decentralisation and moderation, which is entirely possible. and what's better, some instances can have their unmoderated cesspits and others can have their clean moderated boards, and we can just let the users decide what they want to expose themselves to. there's no need for EVERYONE to be concerned about illegal/spam content; back in overchan days, there was one frontend that never deleted anything except serious flooding, there was another with a dedicated pizza board, and there was another without images but allowed all text posts. there's no law preventing you from using the instance you're most comfortable with
i have some ideas to mitigate against spam without relying 100% on captcha like 8 and Jow Forums do now, and while still allowing people to use proxies and tor if they want. but first of all, nnptchan needs more adoption so we need people willing to give it a try, willing to moderate it and fix moderation issues we come across, and willing to set up frontends even if it's just from an onion on your home PC
Jack Taylor
>asteroids >planetary
Landon Ortiz
It is impossible to do it well, I already thought about it and I have a lot of p2p experience.
Julian Morales
What is usenet?
Leo Davis
exactly
Aaron Davis
It's a Some Assembly Required planet.
Jason Gomez
just wrap something around ostatus/activitypub
Nathaniel Flores
have you tried that before? it's a mess of crap. FUCK JSON-LD
Brayden Taylor
came to post this. yep, you're new.
Isaac Bennett
Jow Forums itself is a clone lol
Andrew Bennett
Is there a custom css/js for 2chan that makes it not garbage to browse?
