I-It's not stealing, it's just borrowing

Suck a cock

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We live in a republic, I can't vote for people that support minor shit like that.

People who don't engage an argument directly are idiots, plain and simple. I said that your point fell apart if someone pirated from a small or mid-sized developer, and you provided on response. Just some nonsense about how morals and ethics don't matter if someone else is rich. Real life isn't Robin Hood, user. You don't get to steal or harm just because the victim has more money than you
It simply a matter of who is not getting the money that would have been paid for the game.
Stealing physical copy = brick n' mortar not getting their money back
Making a digital copy = company who made the game doesn't get paid.

Either way, you're a poorfag who should stop playing games and go get a job if you have such little money to spend.

Most dont need justification. I do it because games are expensive and so is going to the movies, and cause I can.

>game
>game
>games

you realise game devs get paid by the publisher before they release and the rest goes to jews.

THat's not a justification, and it does require justification because it costs money to make games, and that coporations don't use neetbucks, like you, to pay for everything. They have to take risks to make things, and requires time and money. They need to pay bills to put food on the table for their employees. You don't understand that because you're a selfish, leeching faggot.
If you can't provide an argument, then you lose. That's how discussions work, coward

I have no issues with pirating, hell I pirate all the damn time. It’s people trying to claim that “oh nah theres nothing morally gray about this” that’s just autistic. It’s amazing to see so many people in denail about how what they’re doing is objectively wrong when the board is filled with so many edgy contrarians that do what they can to make it look like they don’t give a shit what anyone else thinks of them.

And how do you think those publishers pay game devs you dumbfuck? A person who got a product for free has no reason (except a moral one) to pay for it, and the market cannot rely upon a client's good will, hence why laws against piracy are needed.
In the end, you *know* you're not going to pay for a product you experienced for free, even if other people cannot prove what you're going to do, so your intentions don't matter anymore. The general rule is that a person has no legal right to experience a priced product for free. Whether the owner has an infinite inventory or not doesn't matter because the real loss happens when a person gets the product for free without paying and thus decides to never purchase it, which is sadly impossible to prove with exactitude, but it's a real thing that happens.

It would only be wrong if I tried to resell my pirated copy. Is sharing media with your friends wrong?

What's wrong with trying things out before buying them?
You don't sit in a chair before buying it?
You don't take a car for a test drive?
You don't fuck before marriage?
What are you, some kind of faggot?

>I-if I quote my simple interpretation of an argument with a stutter it's invalidated

I don't care, I do it because I can and I don't like spending money if I don't have to. Plus, with stuff like anime you can get better releases and subs than official sources. Would I rather pay 5eur/mo for a VPN (mullvad) that works as a vpn AND I can stream/download torrents unlimited of whatever I want at the best quality, or pay $10/mo for Netflix that's compressed and has a limited library?

It's a good thing you're sticking up for all these companies, I'm sure they appreciate it.

I'm not stealing, I am just copying someone's copy that was posted online.

and I'd like to add torrents are a lot faster and I can download/stream without caring about drm, I don't need to use Netflix software to play a movie I downloaded I can just use literally any video player

>paid for one cartridge/disc that can only be played one machine at a time
vs
>paid for a single download that has been copied a billion times that can work on all machines

It's not hard to figure out unless you're fucking retard, or a commie. or both.

>b-but it's not stealing
And plenty of other anons have expanded on the nuance in piracy and why it needs a more complex definition in the law. Still doesn't change the fact that you are using a product or service that must legally be paid for without paying

>here's a software it costs X
>BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY X. FUCK IT, I'M GOING TO STEAL IT.
>user, did you steal that thing?
>NO I DIDN'T STEAL ANYTHING IT'S NOT THEFT I ONLY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT BUT STILL USE IT FUCK YOU

how silly of you.

>You don't fuck before marriage?

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Whatever, thread is still a bait, cause there's no reason for it to exist.

No. If you can't provide an argument, then you lose. That's how discussions work, coward

Why do you think communism means not paying for shit?

I do it for the thrill

The justification is pirates don't care. if you don't think that is a justification, we also don't care.

But you need some other kind of answer, I hope you find peace my son.

nothing to see here user, just the old commie boogeyman perpetrated by the capitalist elite

>making someone pay for a product is anti-consumer

Or if you’re pissed about shit like micro-transactions or actual anti-consumer practices, you could just not buy the product. The fact that you’re so desperate to download it only proves that the product is worth paying for to begin with.

I pirate because I'm broke, because I don't want to support the companies, or because I want to. I don't need to justify myself to you for doing something that has no bearing on you or your life. It's more pathetic for you to care what I do than it is for me to pirate shit. This is moral grandstanding of the highest order.

>here's a software it costs X
>BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY X. FUCK IT, I'M GOING TO STEAL IT.
>user, did you steal that thing?
>YEP

I draw digitally, so Photoshop is because all alternatives aren't even meme-tier, but fuck paying 150 bucks a fucking year and not even owning that piece of shit. It's not I owned Photoshop in the past and every version has infuriating fuckups.
I'd even fucking buy it if it was a 80 bucks one time purchase. I'd maybe even think about 150 if I really needed to upgrade and were skipping a few generations, but this subscription bullshit is retarded.
I can't fucking believe it that none of the competitors have even come close to stepping up their game, even though Adobe has been doing nothing but fuck up these past tem years.

This is not a discussion, because, get this, there is nothing to discuss. What topic do you want discussed? Your question is literally

>why do piratefags have to do a pathetic amount of justification?
What kind of answer could there be to that? And when people tell you that they don't justify it, they just don't care, you still threat it like a discussion.

Kek, what is this shit? Having companies sell products and having consumers buy products in the entire core of our economy. And the usual way for consumers to protest against business practices that they don't like is to not buy that company's products. You aren't some hero sticking it to the man by pirating. You shouldn't be using those products in the first place if you don't want to buy them

you can even distinguish physical objects and data
why post here?

What does this have to do with my reply? I'm saying you can't invalidate an argument by prepending it with a > and a stutter, you have to actually explain why you think it's incorrect
For the record, I think piracy in most cases is wrong, but I also think it's a bit silly to get all ass-blasted about other people pirating stuff. It doesn't really affect you unless they're pirating your content. I also think saying pirating is the same as stealing is oversimplifying things

>and just admit you're mad people are playing stolen games
That's what we've been arguing. if only the fags on the other side of this discussion could admit "I steal games digitally because I can" without the moral posturing we can all move on.

>if you’re pissed about shit like micro-transactions or actual anti-consumer practices, you could just not buy the product
But I don't.
>you’re so desperate to download
I don't play games, but I don't care if someone torrents them.

People relate piracy to stealing because they share a lot of simmilarities: you illegaly acquire a product for free, experience it, and then probably never pay for it legally because you already got it, resulting in profit loss for the owner.

What makes stealing different from piracy is that in the latter you're copying the product rather than taking it away from the owner, and there's technically no way to prove there's a profit loss because pirates love to latch onto the argument that "they weren't going to buy it anyway". In the end, it's just mental gymnastics because if you get away with copying a product for free, you have no reason to pay for it unless it's for a moral reason, and the market cannot rely on people's good will.

Nothing guarantees that people will not pay for the product eventually, and nothing guarantees they will either. But the fact that they have access to free copies lowers the odds dramatically. That's why policies against piracy are needed. In other words: if you haven't paid for the product, you have no legal right to experience it.

I'm not even paying or making profit from/of it, how would I interfere in the market by not buying something I wouldn't buy?

>resulting in profit loss for the owner
You can't prove that.

>Pirating without buying it is literally choosing not to buy it
Because it's denying the profit from a company. If you see a digital product and don't buy it you are literally taking away $60 profit from a company. Same argument is used against piracy.
Don't play dumb. If you choose not to buy it, AND YOU DON'T USE IT, then there's obviously no ethical issue.

dont care bro

Blow it out your fucking sphincter, Japanese copyright laws don't apply to me, I can pirate as much music and video games from them as I want. Your policies didn't do shit.

haha theft is cool

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Ironic that you speak of mental gymnastics, because you didn't even finish reading the post. I addressed your point already.

Not even stealing a physical product proves that there's a profit loss. In some ultra hypothetical situation, a thief could come back and pay for the product he stole. That doesn't mean there cannot be laws against stealing or piracy, because people who ilegally got a product for free will likely never pay for it.

>If you see a digital product and don't buy it you are literally taking away $60 profit from a company
Holy shit imagine thinking this way

we did but you still wont go away

>That's why policies against piracy are needed
So we need policies to uphold shaky business models relying on selling copies of something anyone could copy in seconds themselves? Sounds socialist.

See this post you dumb cunt

I didn't know we had DMCA shills. I wonder how much the Bureau pays.

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so how am I wrong you degenerate?
what mental state must you actually be in to think that taking something that doesn't belong to you is in any way a good thing? Sounds to me like your moral compass is already broken, and the "free" music and video games aren't going to get it back on track.

Why do you care so much

>Piracy
Refers to robbery on a boat. What you're thinking of is copyright infringement, which is literally not even remotely the same thing as property theft.

As a video game developer and musician, I don't mind if you infringe on my copyrights. The fans like yourself are the only ones who will ever become paying customers anyway.

why the fuck should i give a shit if the producer takes a loss?

people happen to pirate and sometimes an OP is so much of an retarded fag that he cant process and accept the fact and has to make stupid threads like this one. Worst part is that first there is a thread asking why people do it and then there is another one bashing their responses.

If a pirate could have access to those things for free, he would try his best to do so. If not, then he'll be forced to buy out of necessity, not because it's the right thing to do

piracy put Jow Forums's favourite JAV studios out of business

Yeah, stealing turned me into a paedophile, a drug dealer, and a serial killer overnight because it "broke my moral compass". What a slippery slope I got myself on.

How stupid are you?

this is really shitty bait

i don't watch jav

Still emotional as fuck, and just as nonsensical. Let me strip this down to its barest terms. Products and services must be paid for in order for a consumer to use them. That is how our system works. Pirates take those products and services and use them without paying for them, which is taking from the producer without monetary compensation. Now explain why this should be legal and how it's moral. I'm genuinely curious

I eat, then later on I shit. Technically I'm utilizing the same product twice, Should I feel guilty for copying it.

>paying yakuza is a good thing
gee I wonder who's moral compass is in the wrong here

Backwards
>it's stealing if I don't pay for it because reason

Don't steal. Get a job, pay for shit. Stop fucking with the moral game everyone else is playing just because you're a broke piece of trash.

>MaFIAAposting

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>If not, then he'll be forced to buy out of necessity
Too bad that's not the case with digital goods.

Tell thos doity fukin anti-semites how it is, Marty!

When is a breaching a contract "piracy?"

Fpbp

Studies of shown piracy does not hurt industry

Intellectual property is bullshit, fuck off.

LMAO I pirate all day all night, Fuck you OP and your shill cronies AND the company(ies) you're shilling for.

>paying the yakuza is a good thing
A real messiah here, folks.

>arguing about morals

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Think that way, imagine there is a theoretical torrent with 99999 people seeding it, someone had to buy the content of the torrent and it was $50, so the 99999 seeders theoretically paid 0,05 cents to download, so it isn't stealing, it's a massive group that paid little value to use the stuff.

Intellectual property is the most American, capitalist thing you can support.

With this, you support innovators and creators having ownership over their creations. It gives incentive to create.

Filthy commie fags are the ones that say "You can't liek...OWN an idea man! Just like you can't like...OWN things! They're not yours, man. It's everyone's!"

The first poster is correct in that piracy is communism. It is the enjoyment of the hard work of others by the lazy and untalented, and the unwashed loser masses think they are entitled to the hard work of others. It is the absolute epitome of communism.

I'll never understand fags that claimed to be redpilled while simultaneously being filthy communist pirates.

There is only one true morality, and it's following in the path of Jesus, our Lord and Savior.

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In both cases you've received it and I've received nothing, I've wasted my time and my energy. It doesn't matter what happens to the piece of plastic, either way market exchange doesn't occur and I have no basis to continue what I do, since I can't make a profit. Are you literally saying that depriving someone of the ability to make a living from their work while you still receive the fruit of that work is more ethical than stealing?

t. commie

i'm not a commie by any means. I'm just helping to point out the retarded flaw in you piratefags logic.
1 digital download should equal one monetary purchase. But if you copy a single file 1000 times, that's 999 1-to-1 sales that have been taken out of the pocket of the company who made the game.

That's theft. Just because it didn't physically happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Do whatever you need to in order to download your software and play your games. But know that you're actually fucking retarded if you think "hurr durr a copy isn't theft".

>communism is when people get free stuff xD
>communism is when the government does stuff xD
kys yourselfs

You know what separates the rich from the poor? One of them saves money and doesn't spend it on useless things.

No, in fact the person who did upload the torrent of the content that was $50 have the right to download any torrent from the 99999 seeders without a cost.

>WORK FOR FREE FOR ME FUCK RICH PEOPLE

epic

nice bait but everyone knows that intelectual property laws were invented in america to cuck authors and artists out of everything they do. Americans literally took arts that were treated with high regard in other parts of the world and turned them into code monkey tier 2nd rate jobs where authors dont own any rights to their work, because they have to sell them for publishing.

Where's the ethical difference? Person A worked to create a product to be exchanged for money, Person B got the product without paying Person A. Whether or not a plastic box with a plastic disc in it changed owners is trivial. I honestly want to hear by what mental gymnastics you justify this.

>i should put in place a GOVERNMENT BACKED global regime aimed at stopping the distribution of content
if it's so capitalist, why does it need state help (taxpayer money (aka theft)) to keep it running?

>Two wrongs make a right
>All companies cheat on taxes
You sound like an autistic democrat

>muh taxes are theft
taxes are just rent to a large entity that calls itself a state