/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Create a parts list
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>Learn how to build a PC
Search youtube for a guide for your socket

Want help?
>State your budget & CURRENCY
>List your uses eg Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors include purpose and graphics pairing
>NO Speccy. Use HWinfo
>For Win7 in Ryzen pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

CPU
>Athlon 200GE - Bare minimal desktop/gaming
>R3 2200G - Light gaming(dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G/i5-8400 - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-9700k/8700k - If you have a $2000+ budget and don't care that it'll be superseded by 7nm CPUs next year
>R7 2700/X - Best value high-end CPU on a non-HEDT platform
>Wait for R7 3700X - Surely the best overall and not a massive disappointment like the 9900k
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>RTX 2000 cards are worse performance per $ than previous gen
>Avoid cheap MODELS ie MSI Armor (Mk2 is ok), Gigabyte G1/Wf, ASUS dual, and others w/ small heatsinks and low quality fans
1080p
>RX 570/580/590 w/ Freesync or 1060 6GB - standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050 3Gb or RX560 4Gb - lower settings and/or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor
1440p
>Vega; 1070Ti/1080 if you already have Gsync
>Waste money - for higher FPS w/ a high hz monitor
4K
>Upscale from 1620-1800p. Or 2080Ti, but awful value
OpenCL use
>Vega 64

Storage
>Backup before using StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Display
>Consider 75hz minimum; 60hz are mostly old models
>Always consider FreeSync w/ AMD cards
>FOR GAMING START YOUR BUILD WITH A MONITOR FIRST, then make your build to drive it appropriately

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Is watercooling a meme?

Basically building a solid gaming machine to last me a few years or more. Not really gonna change the CPU and I'm sticking with a Vega 64 just wondering if there is anything else I should change on here to bring down the price but keep it good quality.
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>OpenCL use
>>Vega 64
At current prices vs the 56 it's a legit choice for gaming. This part of the OP has been bothering me for a while.

How good is PNY? my son got into >muh gaymes (he is just 9yo) and I got a good deal for 2 options: PNY and MSI Armor

depends what the word meme means to you

Dear blog, after chatting to a nice person on customer service he ensured that my order for hundreds of dollars of crap to the other side of the country would be cancelled in the morning :^)

what's with the low freq RAM?

>that RAM
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Reposting for new thread
Best Z390 mobo?
>Budget
$200-250
>Use
Gaming, some rendering, going to OC
>Location
Burgerer

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In most cases it is. Beefy CPU heatsinks like what Noctua offers are right up there with liquid cooling solutions and with GPUs all you really need is a case that allows for sufficient airflow and, again, a beefy/quality heatsink and fans.

Check user reviews for each card?

I want to build a watercooled PS4 Pro, like this guy did: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTHL8jVPf0q2OZvrYE6IDmB2Q7SbiJenq&disable_polymer=true - but in PowerMac G5's case.
Is it a bad idea?

Overclocked 2400G, obviously. It's closer to a 750Ti and R7 265 than anything else.

cringe

As far as I've gathered, increasing BCLK seems to also speed up the IMC.
57.5ns is pretty close to the the around 53ns you get with an 8700k and B-die. With 3200 CL16 RAM and 100 BCLK, you're typically looking at around 64-67 on Ryzen, so this is quite a gain despite the memory only being made 1.4ns faster than 3200 CL14.

It might explain why BCLK OC on Ryzen inexplicably seem to give better than 1:1 gains scaling. Or it could simply be timing errors messing up the benchmark, but there's supposed to be checks in place for that.

AIOS yes.
Custom loop no.

How would you suggest the OP actually be reworded? Because Vega64 is still a monster for OpenCL. I did change 1440p recommendation to just plain "vega". I guess 1080p could be changed as well.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/b9Z24q
>$145 for RGB
>Not B-die
>$58 for a 250Gb SSD
>Archiac old full tower
It's fine if you fix those issues.
I'd drop down to the 2600X, and get 3200 CL14 memory instead with the savings. That'll overall be faster.

I can't bother researching that garbage. I can just imagine you won't get an actual good Z390 board for $200 and don't know why you'd buy one to begin with since if you need more PCIe lanes there is threadripper.

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I don't trust (((user))) reviews, most have generic names.

Someone told me here that they're shit. Mine, for now, is working well.

How shitty is a blower Vega 64 stock? Debating between getting one stock or an aftermarket 56.

Buy RX 580 now and guarentee getting DMC5 and RE2, or wait for Friday/Cyber Monday and possibly risk the particular model I want running out of the limited offer codes in hopes of the price dropping.

And please don't tell me to get the Red Devil while its cheap, it won't fit in my case.

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Tell me why realtek is a fucking piece of useless shit I ever saw in my life. I kept getting random audio pops and reinstalling driver won't do shit. glad I have intel LAN instead of another realtek shit.

Got a Powercolor Red Dragon Vega 56 for $400. Not the best deal, but I wanted the games and apparently, the card has a chance at having Samsung HBM.

Undervolting is mostly done to keep the temps under control so the card doesn't throttle as much, yeah? Considering this thing supposedly peaks at 65c I should just focus on OC for stability or what. What mem clocks should I aim for, since that's where the real performance bumps are?

Thanks, haven't really kept up to date with Vega best practices.

Pretty average. Don't mind buying an aftermarket cooler? 64. Don't mind tweaking to maximise performance? 56.
I'd go the 56 personally.

What's the verdict on Vega Frontier Edition? I saw it going for under $400 used

It's pretty bad stock without any tweaking. Around the same performance as a 1080 FE that also has a blower.

If you tweak it, it can be plenty manageable with the blower, especially if you're doing a SFF build where blower is actually ideal in some ways.
But for a full size PC, it's really ideal that you replace the cooler with Morpheus II or a hybrid mod.

Also depends on what prices are of AIB models are. Last I saw, Red Dragon was $500. Even with the 3 games, that's a bit eh of a price.
I'd grab a blower Vega64 if it's a bit cheaper than an AIB 56 and mod it myself.

I think the games deal will still exist by Black Friday. I think it lasts up until December something as long as there is still "stock" of the games licensed.
However, there's no guarantee that the good models of RX580 will still be $200. The Red Devil did jump up to $240 for one day since the deal started only to drop back down, for example.

lmfao. Which board? It's hard to find ones without Realtek, yeah. shit is so garbage. Their ethernet is garbage, too.

Where'd you find that plus the games for $400? That is a good deal.

>Undervolting is mostly done to keep the temps under control so the card doesn't throttle as much, yeah
Yes. There is a power and thermal limit which can't keep boost clocks high at stock settings. Undervolting uses less power and makes less heat so it boosts more aggressively and performs better.
I got my Red Dragon down to 960mv core, 2% OC, and 935MHz memory on Hynix.
It uses so little power that the fan doesn't even come on at all at 2560x1600@60 for a lot of games.

It took me hours of tweaking and scratching my head over some oddities of the power/thermal budget, though, and realizing benchmarks react differently than actual games. Very different than overclocking Polaris or other older GCN, or Maxwell. Though similar, as I understand, to Pascal except you can also undervolt.

Sexiest card

What do people use 32GB RAM for? Do you need 32 if you're going for 3d modelling/ animation for games?

[spoiler]I know what OP says but I need opinions[/spoiler]

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This will be my first time building my own PC, I really have not much clue what I'm doing, but is this good enough? It's like right in my budget, and I'm honestly going to use this thing more for emulation than anything else.

Also aside from the obvious monitor and OS and internet stuff, will this need anything else out of the box?

Damn it. My new mobo comes with Realtek and I can't make PeaceAPO to work correctly.

>How would you suggest the OP actually be reworded?
You know what, I would just make sure you put 56/64 where you have just Vega right above it under 1080p high refresh and 1440p, so that way it's clear that both are viable at the right price. Someone just scanning might say "oh, I guess Vega 64 is only meant for Open CL stuff" and just dismiss its gaming value. I could be wrong though. I don't think Vega 64 on a 1080p 144 Hz or 165 Hz monitor is unreasonable given how demanding some of the new games are.

I have 32GB of RAM in my PC.
I use this PC for: playing games, a hundred opened opened pages in browser and watching porn - and all of that ib a same time.
And that's awesome.

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sell it for some krokodil you petukh

How else am I gonna play games while having my thousand tabs+ of sankakuchannel open at the same time?

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What video card should I get if I have a 7680x1440 setup? Right now I'm running 1080 and have to run modern AAA titles on low-med to get respectable framerates.

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It's H270 Pro4, I fucking wish there's an affordable mobo without this realcrap.
Well, F.

not using an OS that takes 5gb on idle.

I frequently use around 25Gb.
I have an IDE open, two browsers just for personal use and the a 3rd I'm using for research. The browsers alone can use around 8Gb.
Profilers for games programming, which uses a lot more memory than the application itself.
Sometimes PS is open to make some temp art.
Though a good deal of that memory is just Win10's phantom caching. If you have more, it'll use it like that. However on my previous build I only had 16Gb and would get up to 18-24Gb used sometimes. The most was when editing video and also having After Effects open. So I do use a lot but I'm a heavy user and my usage isn't typical.
Yeah, but 16Gb can handle a hundred tabs with porn open and playing games as well.

Technically, it should say something like
>Vega64 may be worth getting to guarantee Samsung HBM which can be overclocked higher.
It's a bit much to fit in the 2000 character limit and would require rewriting.

>pcpartpicker.com/guide/Hzwrxr/excellent-amd-gaming-build
>$460 for a blower 1080
>TLC NAND SSD
>2666 RAM
That's a yikes.
Replace the SSD with Silicon Power S55, get faster RAM, and replace GPU with Vega.
Also 2600X has been on sale and is worth the upgrade at $170-$180.
You could get a cheaper cooler like the Arctic 33, Pure Rock, or H7.
Not a fan of the case, especially at that price.
750W is more than you need, too. 650 would be more than enough.

>H270
>Max memory supported: 2666MHz
Another yikes.

There are only two faster cards than that: 1080Ti and its equivalent the 2080, and the 2080Ti. You could go for the most expensive one if you're already struggling with the 1080, but fairly obviously the price/perf ratio is horrendous.

Should I fall for the RGB ram meme?

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Eat a dick, bitch.
The bigger - the better.

Are ram prices coming down anymore or are the companies selling them still agreeing to gouge consumers

>Are ram prices coming down anymore
They're not at the moment even though they should be. It's going to be a long drought.

>asking for an objective answer on a subjective question
kys or get what you want.

X470 boards seem overpriced compared to B450 motherboards.
Is there something I'm missing that justifies this or should I just go with a B450

>Planned to buy an EVGA 1080ti on monday morning for my first build in years
>Ran out of stock just a few hour earlier
send help

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What's the cheapest you ca get a 1080ti for that is realistic?

Does looking at something overpriced and pretty make you think:
A) My pc looks really nice.
B) Oh, a glowing reminder that I overpaid for DDR4 glowsticks
C) Fuck, now I have to make every other component in my computer glow and match or the itching won't stop.

$5

Adopt an abused mining card today user.
They're just as love-able and loyal as the store bought cards.

Is there noticable difference between 60 and 75Hz ?
I don't even remember how 75Hz looks like

15hz

I'm not spending money on a second hand cumslut that was rigged together with dozens of other filthy slaves.
Also there's no warranty.

yes,, unless you're old or blind

If 15Hz would be right in front of my eyes, would I notice?
How old we're speaking?

you won't notice 15hz buddy. it might be slighty smoother than 60hz but not as big of a jump as going to 144hz.

>wanting sloppy seconds

I prefer cards that are pure! PURE!

nvidia pre test before sending them out so they are never pure. sorry bud.

>the high end chipset costs more than the midrange value one
wow

It's a similar difference of going from 50 to 60. So yes, a noticeable increase in smoothness.
What's it matter, anyway? Pretty much all new models are 75hz and cheap. Buying 60hz means getting an old model which likely also has worse blurriness, color accuracy, etc.

Have you even looked at how your old card compares to something like Vega or 1070ti(assuming you have Gsync already)?
You don't have to take it up the ass from Jews just to get
>le best which'll be outdated and a waste of money next year

They should be $500 used, but demand from manchildren who can't read benchmarks seem to have them going from around $650 used. More than they were new a month ago. lmao.

boomer

pcpartpicker.com/list/tQqDQZ

Got a new one for $700.

Jow Forums, answer me!

Yes, user. It's a bad fucking idea.

And why is it a bad idea?

So do it, faggot.
Everything is a bad idea.
Living is a bad idea.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/tQqDQZ
>no context
>single fan 1060 for more than an RX580 costs
>shit ass case
>CXM PSU
>A400
>2400MHz RAM
>8600
>3.9/5 Wireless
>high refresh rate no-sync monitor
>$1160 for a shitty 1080p build. Can get BETTER performance for $350 less.
Fuck this is so bad. Why can't you just copy a good build that was posted?
Not a single component here makes sense except maybe the board, but not with the other components.

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How is this? Optical drives are so fucking cheap and plentiful I don't even know what's good for that.

Why are you insulting me?

Because you pay a lot for bragging rights only.

>your old card
>your old card
Amigo I'm posting from a shitnovo x230 staring at a screen that's about the size of post stamp.
My old tower was around the year 1999.
If I don't get a card for my tower anytime soon I'm gonna lose it.

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Get a smaller case instead of having a huge monstrosity that's 80% empty space?
May as well get B-die since it still winds up being cheaper than what you originally planned? Or at least 16-16-16 RAM...

Because you don't read advice given to others which can help you, can't see what a 1080p midrange build is typically around $800 so you think it's acceptable to blow $1200 on what should be a low budget build, and expect to be spoonfed.

You want to waste my time instead of spending your own time doing more research, reading the OP and seeing advice given with other builds that were posted. You deserve ridicule for that.

Same Node 202 Vega guy from the last thread, but would a 660 watt power supply suffice for a V64?

Hey bros this is my first time trying to build my own. Tell me how bad I fucked up and can Improve.
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Dorked out there, I meant a 600 watt psu

More than enough so long as you aren't heavily overclocking it or your CPU. In fact, you should be tuning any Vega for best perf/watt anyway since they're so flexible.

Well... Last year I got myself 1440p 60Hz monitor. Asking, because curious if it's not a snake oil. 15Hz does seem like not much.
Funny, though... Some time ago 75Hz was norm. Then we downgraded and now getting back up. Why it took so long though?
That's why I'm wondering. Isn't it just better to go for 144Hz. I assume 15Hz can be noticed in fast-pased games. What about regular desktop use?
Not that old. When I'll notice that new technology is too hard to use for me, I'll neck myself

I have a $3000 gaming PC, but it can't run console games.
So I want to build silent and non-overheated PS4 Pro in a cool-looking case, which was designed by not shitty Apple in the past.
I find PowerMac G5 for only $45.46, plus PS4 Pro with jailbreak for $484.75, plus some parts for custom watercooling loop is around $200 - but I will buy it when PS5 will be presented, so I don't waste my money.

How’s the next gen on Ryzen looking? Could it become the go-to option for gaming?

I’ll either be a waitfag or buy something during Black Friday, in which case whether I go for poozen 2600 or incel 8400 will depend on which is more discounted

cursor and any windows open will be way smoother moving around.

I'd really appreciate any advice.

So it turns out that a GTX 1060 will not really bottleneck with my OC'd i5 3570k

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>but I will buy it when PS5 will be presented, so I don't waste my money.
That's a weird way to justify wasting money.

wait for ryzen 3 desu. if ryzen 2 >3 is better than 1 > 2 then ryzen 3 will be great.

You need to make an actual link that others can see.

So basically you don't know what you're doing so you just planned to throw a stupid amount of money for it and hope it works instead of buying something that's actually good value?
Had you even picked out a monitor yet?

SF600 or something like that is fine.
You're probably going to be dropping the power limit down to 210W or lower given that it's an SFF build. So really you could even get by with 450 if you're careful and the PSU is good.

Have you tried emulators for PS4 and Xbone yet?

We only have info on the Zen2 Epyc CPUs. Nothing on Ryzen 3000 series yet (besides the APUs which are completely separate)

And you can't OC your 1440p monitor to 75hz?
>Some time ago 75hz was norm
Yes. CRT were usually 70-85hz. That's a lot of why people couldn't go down to 60hz LCD screens, besides the ghosting.
>That's why I'm wondering. Isn't it just better to go for 144Hz.
Well sure, if you have an AMD GPU. 1440p 144hz Freesync is cheap.
The price is ridiculous for Nvidia, though.

>ignoring everything that was said about that in the previous thread
Just buy it. You deserve any and all suffering that you get for not reading. You're a lost cause.

You can link the correct URL for starters.

Epic fail

So, you're looking to spend $700 + your time (which is apparently worthless) for a $300 product with a voided warranty that'll run somewhat quieter provided you don't fuck up.
I fail to see how that's a bad idea.

>>ignoring everything that was said about that in the previous thread
All anyone said that it may bottleneck in certain games, which it turns out is not true.

I can buy PS4 Pro right now, but when PS5 will be on market - older console will be cheaper.
I tried - and it didn't work.
I'm more a PC person, but some games is developed only for consoles.

I have not built anything myself in a long time but I did my research and decided on this card.
>instead of buying something that's actually good value?
You're saying it's not?

Why don't you buy PS4 pro right now (or during some sale), play the games you want and then sell it to buy PS5?

Alright this should be it. Forgive my blunder. System Builder - Ryzena 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core, Radeon RX VEGA 64 8 GB RED DEVIL, Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower - PCPartPicker
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??? Thats not what I posted I posted thispcpartpicker.com/list/9TCFq4

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>overclocking monitor
It's LED, doubt that.
>freesync
I already have Vega 56, might as well get freesync monitor.

But...
How much of a headache I'll have using 60Hz and 144Hz monitor with same computer?

Because I don't want to give any money to Sony kikes.
That's why I will buy slightly used PS4 Pro with jailbreak and get all games I wanted to play from torrents.

>I can buy PS4 Pro right now, but when PS5 will be on market - older console will be cheaper.
This is rarely the case as stock dwindles unless you're cool with buying used. New PS3s are being sold on Amazon right now for $600. That's not a typo.
>All anyone said that it may bottleneck in certain games, which it turns out is not true.
lmao. Yes, it absolutely will be a bottleneck in certain games with a 1060. Any heavily multithreaded game (Battlefield franchise, Watch Dogs franchise, Ghost Recon Wildlands, The Division) will be a clusterfuck of occasional stuttering on a 3570k, even heavily overclocked. Not every game, but certain ones. I don't know what website you're using to generate that graphic but it's retarded.
Think about it logically for a second. You're talking about a 5+ year old quad core without hyperthreading. It's going to be a fucking choking bottleneck sometimes in certain games. It just depends on how much stuttering and frame dropping you can put up with. There isn't a game in the world that won't WORK with a 3570k, it's just not ideal. That's all anyone said.

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need something for gaming budget is 1000 to 1200 any suggestions?

Very weird reasoning, user, but you do you.

>4c/4t
>still using i5 2500k
hurts.

>it turns out to not be true because some bullshit fake calculator says it's not
< Here I have a new webapp for you since you are THIS fucking gullible and can't read or understand actual information that was replied to you.

But fuck off. Just buy it. Then come back here to tell us about your stutters so I can laugh at you.
And further laugh at you for overpaying for a 1060 when you could have gotten a better GPU for cheaper, which you were also already told about. Hur fucking dur.
Stop posting and buy it.

>You're saying it's not?
How would a 1080Ti be good value?
You're paying around 200%-300% the money for 125% the FPS.
The only thing that's worst value is the 2080 and 2080Ti.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/
based
>pcpartpicker.com/list/9TCFq4
Lmao why the C7 in that giant case?
Why 2400G when you can get a 2600 for the same price?
You should really go 1440p with that much GPU as well.
>slow ass single channel RAM.
Again, you could read the thread and previous one, look at what builds were good and what was good about them. See what was bad and what was pointed out as bad. You're repeating the same mistakes which shouldn't happen if you read.

>How much of a headache I'll have using 60Hz and 144Hz monitor with same computer?
If you use the 60hz one lightly, it won't be too bad. But yes you will more clearly notice that even the cursor doesn't move smoothly in the 60hz monitor when you see how smooth it is in 144hz side-by-side. Is that a problem? Up to you. You can just eventually replace your 60hz monitor.

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For the rest of the week, I think the OP needs to include a mention about Black Friday deals.
blackfriday.com/ads/black-friday

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Price/performance is terrible so based on that alone it's a bad idea, and especially considering we're talking about the nature of a gaming console's obsolescence.
>but mah silence!
It's a lot to pay for audible comfort, at the expense of obviously money, but also enclosure size. Having said that, you've also got a system that uses an APU chip making watercooling a little easier in the sense you only have one die to cover (not including memory modules and power regulators which you can just stick a heatsink on), and also means you can get away with a simple AIO should you be able to adapt the heatsink to suit.
Things to consider is how you're going to power the pump and extra fans. You COULD use one of the lower power SPC/DDC pumps that usually power from PWM and either wire/solder it to work with the PS4 power brick or plug it into the Motherboard presuming PS4 uses PWM connectors, or if you're going to a PC case, you may well adapt an ATX PSU to suit the PS4 motherboard, and pinch a line out for your pump.
I looked at doing this a couple years ago with cheap eBay cooling gear on an old X-Box 360, but I'd be dealing with two separate CPU/GPU dies, and the Lian-Li XB-01 enclosure (made specifically for XB360) its sitting in only has room for a single 120mm radiator.
If you're fine with all of the above, then go hard user, and post results in /guts/