>Minimal base Programs >WM (window manager) dwm >Web browsers Dillo, Surf, Links, w3m >File Manager Terminal >Video/Music player mpv or cmus >Text editors GNU nano or Vim >Image viewer FEH or sxiv >Shells mksh or dash >Terminal st
>no devuan in OS list >no sam in text editors come on son
Henry Thomas
LARP: The Thread Seriously, you've listed some good software and making sure to avoid software bloat is a good idea for sure, but you are essentially a cultist who created a software ideology simply because you like the aesthetic. But what's the point? The people who reply to me are going to try to paint me as some Electron-loving, privacy-hating idiot.
Eli Hill
>no devuan in OS list without systemd.org has all your without systemd meme distros listed >no sam in text editors suckless.org >but you are essentially a cultist ego >who created a software ideology simply because you like the aesthetic. this ideology is the best because the programmers are the most competent. competence is what everyone lacks.
Gavin Martin
>just debian without systemd >make it into a new distro absolute state of linux community
Landon Evans
Some people use plan9 and openbsd.
Christopher Torres
There's something to be said for simplicity, elegance and orthogonality. All of the software listed in the OP (except for Arch meme) is well-known for being reliable, intuitive, and fast. A gutted debian installation running dwm can run on 15+ year-old hardware without a problem, yet it is all modern, well-maintained software so you can A) rely on it getting security updates, and B) use modern software to the absolute maximum extent that the limited hardware allows.
The ideology behind this stuff wasn't invented by a LARPing Jow Forumstard, it's existed for decades. Granted, the UNIX guys followed it more out of necessity than out of ideology- a PDP-11 simply couldn't handle massive, monolithic programs. However, as computers became more powerful, it was quickly realized that this was still the best way of doing things- small, simple programs that do a single thing, and are designed to work together through a standard input and output, can be chained together when necessary to perform complex tasks. This improves scalability because you only pay for what you use. It also improves versatility for obvious reasons. Also, many small programs that have no shared state, and only interface through a single consistent point, allows for improved multicore performance, which is critical in the modern era of multicore consumer computers.
Devuan also has all its own PPAs
Jack Jones
Why do these threads always make a handful of people angry? What is it about software minimalism that makes a minority of people upset?
William Johnson
Take this guy for instance: Who pissed in his coffee? Why is he actually upset?
Chase Jones
I really don't know user, that guy actually seemed pretty reasonable relative to most of them, at least he mentioned that there is some merit to this stuff.
Dominic Adams
suckless.org/rocks* coffee is bloat. Water is the only thing you should drink. Warm water. All the drinks are bloat.
Brandon Moore
Will be installing void on my sister's shitty HP today. How do I deal with programs I need to configure from source (such as dwm or st)?
Leo Hill
Well first you configure them, then you build them.
Josiah Ortiz
For dwm, You don't need to configure fuck all. Just install it and memorize a few keyboard shortcuts and you're set.
If you want to change the look, you need to edit config.h
If you want to add extra bloat, you install patches.
Lucas Hughes
with the dwm stuff, it's all documented on their website. Non-dwm things might be more complex, some will likely require autotools (disgusting).
Thomas Howard
I guess my question was how the fuck do I use xbps-src to build packages with patches. Is it the xnew shit I see on some sites? That seems more geared toward creating new templates.
Nolan Martinez
Because it is basically telling people their favorite software is bad
It's the same reaction as when fit people insult fatsos to hit the gym.
Leo Thomas
computers were unironically better before the 90's and that's coming from someone born in '96
Christian Perez
>somebody created a thread for software that doesn't include the software I like, this makes me upset
Is that really what's going on? How pathetic...
Chase Torres
Minimalism doesn't have to mean 'less capable' either. Consider plan 9 - minimizing the interfaces to just filesystem i/o means the 9p protocol allows network distributed systems to be created more easily.
Sebastian Diaz
>black keyboard with grey keycaps excellent taste also have you considered that dwm (and x itself, really) might be bloat in your use-case? you seem to do mostly terminal work based on your screenshot, only having a web browser and some pretty squigly thing you might be better off doing away with x entirely and just using a multiplexer thats what i do for my desktop, i only web browse and post on chans on my laptop i use desktop for work and laptop for play that may be your only computer, so it might not work for you it is worth thinking about though
Jose Nguyen
>you are essentially a cultist who created a software ideology simply because you like the aesthetic Literally half of Jow Forums. Nothing wrong with attraction to an aesthetic and associating with like-minded people. If it bothers you add *fetch and minimalism to your filter list, but don't be a killjoy
t. long haired greasy motherfucker that shit is bloat
Daniel Lopez
>All of the software listed in the OP (except for Arch meme) is well-known for being reliable, intuitive, and fast. >fast you don't magically get performance out of minimalism, glibc and gnu coreutils for example, are a lot faster than their minimal counterparts
Aaron Sanchez
>t. long haired greasy motherfucker You're new here, aren't you?
Jason Williams
This is 4channel. Jow Forums is down the hall, to the right, stupid cunt.
Matthew Fisher
I could go on forever about the tricks you can do with plan 9 systems across the network. irc-alike systems with just a 9p hubfile and cat/echo to read and write messages. automatic union of remote and local device files when connected to a cpu server. system role assignment iand config ntegrated with pxe/dhcp and dns via the network database connections service.
Chase Hernandez
>simply because you like the aesthetic What aesthetic?
Ryder Bailey
Is there some benefit on going from i3 to dwm? I feel pretty comfy on i3 and have everything to my taste but I always wondered.
My exact thought.
Thomas Torres
I'm personally a fan of the dynamic tiling DWM does. In i3 you need to tell the WM whether you want to split vertically or horizontally whenever you want to open a new window. In DWM and other WMs that work like it (xmonad, Awesome) you have predefined layouts the windows automatically tile into. Since I rarely have more than 3 windows open on one workspace at once this is far more efficient. It also enables things like switching layouts without having to manually rearrange windows.
Jack Hall
>Debian is recommended >Useful links: suckless & without systemd
Lets bring more variety. >What games minimalists like play if any? Roguelikes, MUDs, and maybe interactive fiction (like Zork) is my guess. They are fun as hell and was talking in another thread about cyberpunk themed MUDs like Sindome. Also on /vg/ we have a roguelike general.
Owen Murphy
Not him but I don't feel like I need all that fancy stuff. pressing a shortcut to toggle between horizontal and vertical every once a while is okay with me, I can't imagine giving up my i3 config and starting from scratch just for that. >disliking slow bloated software makes you a cultist t. seething gnome user
Aiden Hill
With the advent of 4channel everyone gets to experience being a new fag once more, and yes that includes (You).
Lucas Howard
Jow Forums is still the same honestly
Landon Thompson
ITT: missing features == lightweight
Wyatt Carter
If that was the case we'd all be shilling Gnome.
Aaron Clark
gnome is missing tons of features that are vital to daily use, there is no reason to shill it
About to install a new distro, cant decide between LFS and guixsd. Moving from NIXOS as i couldnt get the hang of the language and the docs suck. I will be doing the installation and initial setup with out internet for which I think LFS is the better option.
Aaron Green
>recommending vim, the bloated vi >nano over ed >using any text editors at all rather than shell pipes
Lucas Foster
>falling for suckless Please do as Uriel.
>inb4 that faggot that claims knowing rich/successful people that uses suckless stack
Nicholas Davis
People talk about 'ed' like its a joke, but it is actually a nice tool and knowing the basics will help you in situations (like debugging via serial console) where no other editor will work.
Angel Cruz
Do I need absolute minimalism if my base system is small? My laptop runs FreeBSD with xfce. My largest packages are a full latex install and Firefox. Is this an issue for /sm/? Because everything just werks and I still have plenty of disk space and leftover ram
Xavier Brooks
That is a moderately minimal setup. We kind of need a need a minimalism scale, from bloat to wiring your own NAND gates.
100: gaming windows normie style 75: ubuntu 50: (minimalism begins here) freebsd+xfce 35: openbsd + dwm 25: plan 9 15: dos on devboard 5: forth on microcontroller
Connor Parker
what text editors should people use then?
Xavier Miller
DE are absolute bloat. Understand?
Tyler Nguyen
Have any of you web dev fags actually use bchs
Ethan Richardson
>coffee is bloat. Water is the only thing you should drink. Warm water. All the drinks are bloat. You're trying to be funny, but it's true. Water and tea are the only non-bloat drinks.
Jack Nguyen
Im not trying to be funny you retarded bloatnigger. tea, coffee, alcohol etc all drinks are bloat tea and coffee both have caffiene. caffiene is for brain dead niggers
water is the only thing you should drink because the chemical structure is not bloat
Joseph Walker
How is green tea bloat, kid
Isaac Lewis
It's bloat because caffiene retard. It's the same as coffee, might as well drink coffee, ffs
it's also overrated. it was popular in a time where your only real alternatives were going vi or emacs. now there is a lot of nice editors on the market.
Your use case is interesting although a bit extreme tbhfam
Grayson Jenkins
Not him but Elvis, is even more lightweight than nvi but I've been recommending it because it can render html and groff
Zachary Wright
>renders html and groff >lightweight A text editor should only be used to edit text nothing more nothing less.
Nathan Jackson
>ed Modern implementations of ed and ex are just vim pretending so you might as well just use vim (or nvi, or whatever)
Austin Garcia
>html >roff >not text >not lightweight Elvis is leagues lighter than vim bloat you uncultured swine
Aaron Cruz
I'm in where do you guys hangout? Freenode?
Caleb Gray
Friends and having connections is bloat.
Ian Cruz
I hang over several IRC all day, the Jow Forums channels are surprisingly underwhelming in front of the rest. They start good though but when the time passes I rather spent time on well known IRC channels where they talk about their specific topic.
>making it a 51KB image at all and not a few bytes of text
BLOAT
Lucas Thompson
this Fuckin bloatniggers
Justin Reed
Gopher is perfect for transmitting information without a bloated interface. Ideal for indexed information like lists and plaintext. Bucktooth, the gopher server, has an http exit through a plugin, is ideal for a minimalist server.
No, but you're not meant to use it that way. A single protocol doesn't have to be all things to all men.
Carter Davis
I just look for a minimal way to post here, I rather use links2 to browse the internet. Links2 supports Firefox/Chromium bookmarks and has a graphical mode, don't need more to browse the Internet. Still I need a way to post on 4chinz tho.
