Jow Forums's thoughts on "Alt-Tech"

How viable do you forsee Alt-Tech platforms (Minds, BitChute, Gab, etc.) moving forward? Are Jow Forums users participating on these platforms already, or staying away? Whichever the case is, provide your reasoning why.

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From those i mostly only use DDG.
But from the ones on the left i only use youtube, so i don't know where i stand.

What's the best alt-OS Jow Forums
preferably some linux that looks like windows 7

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Debian w/cinnamon is the best winfag distro

literally everything in the right is more botnet than the legacy variants. not saying legacy isn't botnet just right needs the money desperately where as left makes do much money they couldn't care less.

specifically brave and duckduxkgo I really never expected people to actually be as dumb as to use it and alway thought it was some kind of joke as in “look at me im so retarded i use brave/ddg“

but apparently some of you sad sad faggots non ironically trust those botnets

> bitcoin more botnet than PayPal
opinion discarded

>voat
>Jow Forums with Markdown syntax and min. karma gatekeeping
No, thanks.

>DDG
Pretty viable unless they get sudden hitpieces and attempts at cutting them from investers.
Quite nice compared to other search engines since it doesn't let people pay for better referencing and a spot at the top of every research.
>Minds
Won't be able to become as enormous as other social networks.
Has some kinda neat functionalities but sadly nobody uses it, and an empty network is pretty much useless.
>gab.ai
Twitter without the users that make twitter such hot garbage and without the arbitrary moderation. Will be dead by the end of 2019 though. No one wants it to live.
>bitchute
kinda neat but much like Minds, nobody really uses it aside from people who want a political soapbox, and this sort of platform needs entertaining content to grow.

>DDG free speech: removes search results cause too lewd, keeps track of what you search
>Voat:Gatekeeping community that spawned from reddits censorship scrubbing. will get down voated for having a different opinion
>Bitcoin: ponzi scheme thats worthless

kek modern internet is so fucked nothing has free speech

>>bitchute
bitchute is fucking great m8

>ddg viable
>founder is a Jewish German who owned a data mining business
>hosted inside USA
>employs web bugs on its site (check source code)

yea so trustworthy

>duckduckjew
>protonmail
Duck should be replaced with startpage. Protonmail should be replaced with anything else, they ban users for their political views.

Cringe to alt tech.
Take off protonmail since they shutdown a email of one of the alt right guys.

Retarded thread guys, great job.

>this corporate service fucked me over, so I'm going to move to this different corporate service!
the absolute state of Jow Forums

>protonmail since they shutdown a email of one of the alt right guys
really?
do you have a link talking about that?
will they ban my account that's basically a leetspeek of "fuckniggers"

Brave is shit, Firefox is better
Gab is shit, diaspora* and GNUSocial are better
Protonmail is meh, tutanota is better
Aptoide is shit, fdroid and yalp are better
DuckDuckGo is meh, Searx and Qwant are better

I personally don't care about bitchute, but I can't see it as a serious alternative when it uses cloudflare and has a fuck ton of 3rd party scripts on the website for muh payments and chat. The site is pretty shit.

Memes aside Brave is really nice.

>bitchute
PeerTube is better
>gab
GNU Social and Mastodon are better
>duckduckgo
Searx is better
>protonmail
Selfhost is better
>aptoide
F-Droid is better

What kind of retard made that image?

Forgot about Brave, Icecat/Tor Browser are better.

They will if you publicly post it with a solicitation to violence. You would be wise to shut it down, someone might false flag you.

I can't find a link right now but it happened. They might ban you.

Fingerprint protection doesn't work at all. Your Canvas, screen size, plugins (as of Chromium), time zone, WebGL fingerprint (as of Chromium), OS/Platform are revealed and the user agent isn't spoofed.

Tor tabs lack any additional anti-fingerprint methods, making them completely useless as your privacy is trivial to breach. You can be effortlessly uniquely identified and tracked.

The Brave adblocker is trash compared to uBlock Origin. The performance is difference is massive if you enable any additional block lists in Brave's blocker. Which you have to because Brave's adblocker is not only inefficient, but also lacks a ton of filters by default and a lot of ads will still be displayed. uBlock Origin blocks domains instead of just hiding ads, plus it has a script blocker and an element picker.

(((PIA))) partnership.
Has proprietary addons.
Google is the default search engine.

Chromium build has a terrible UI (especially settings UI) and is missing gestures like long press on new tab to choose to open a private/tor tab.

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>someone might false flag you
how would they do that?
i don't use it for much anymore btw so i don't really care if they shoah it

Competition is good, they have to solve the hosting and pay processing services being too easy to pressure thing or they will die. subscribe star immediately got their PayPal and stripe affiliation used against them which was obvious, I dunno why they bother using them.

I print out a piece of paper that says "let's get together an beat up niggers. Email me at [email protected]" and post it in a public place. Then I take a picture of it and @ protonmail accusing them of supporting domestic terrorism.

that's not the right leetspeak i used though friend :^)
jews btfo

>Duckduckgo
>Brave

why is duckduckgo bad?
unironically asking

I fixed your list.
Someone explained it up here

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Voat : Urbit :: Alt-right : NRx

but what's the alternative?
bing?

it's right in the picture, startpage. If I remember correctly I believe the owner of ddg told people who actually care about privacy to use startpage or searx.

StartPage is just a shitty Google frontend. Searx and Qwant are much better options.

>DDG
>Bitcoin

Complete trash. Replace with Startpage or Searx.

Replace Bitcoin with Monero.

>coinlets
haha
may as well put doge in there

gab.ai is like twitter but shittier because it's just a political bitchfest. The alternative to twitter is just go outside.

>brave
>a browser whose claim to fame is inserting ads into your website

They become more viable the more people get kicked off of the other platforms. So as long as corporate sellouts like Youtube keep banning people for stupid reasons, its competitors will grow and grow. If things stay the way they are I can see them being relevant in arkund 3-5 years depending on how censorship happy bigger tech gets.

literally not even implemented yet and is completely optional in addition to being turned off by default
it's claim to fame is adblocking by default and tipping websites/creators with it's own memecoin
also something something privacy browser but not really yet

>bitchute
>"free speech"
>bans "adult content"

why would i use that when i can just get mozzila with ublock origin?

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So it's just a really shitty Chrome clone that hasn't implemented any features? Gonna stick to Firefox. Anything that uses Chromium as a back end gives more de-facto power to Google to ignore web standards with webkit.

obscenity isn't covered under free speech though m8
political speech is the main thing that's protected

Not a porn website, get over it. there are plenty of websites you can use for that sort of degeneracy.

you shouldn't really use unfinished browsers but they have good intentions

>tor for normalfag browsing
oh cmon m8
that's a bit to far innit?

Wikipedia shouldn't be on this list. Having standards for an encyclopedia isn't censorship.

Ah yes, the old "

Other than Bitchute and Protonmail I'm not really fond of any of these. Maybe if I cared for Twitter at all I might like gab but I'm not one for politics either so no thanks. Hell, even Bitchute is almost too political for me but google is so fucking gay I use it anyway

>Jow Forums
Who?

Their stated intentions aren't good at all. They give more power to Google by using their rendering engine, and they want to insert ads onto websites.

Just visited infogalactic and it has a bunch of shit about Obama, Hillary, Trump on the front page, what a joke.

no i'm saying about the legality of it
as in, in legal terms obscenity isn't what free speech is meant to protect
like pedophilia or yelling "fire" in a crowded theater

I heard he's a 1337 hacker from the information superhighway

If you're not on the major platforms, you're not online.

Protection of free speech is essential, fleeing to online ghettos solves nothing.

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obscenity was never covered under freedom of speech until jew lawyers subverted the legal system. The point of the concept was to protect political minorities, not degenerates. you don't understand it and are an idiot.

>They give more power to Google by using their rendering engine
don't care, google already had power, if more people use brave less people see google ads
>they want to insert ads onto websites.
they want users to get a choice of seeing ads that don't collect data on them for memecoins they can directly pay content creators
or even see no ads at all
if you see that as malicious or a scam, instead of at least better than the current situation then I don't know what to tell you, think that I guess

Legally, any site can kick anybody off for any reason. Legality is the bare fucking minimum standard for anything. To me, free speech is free speech. Unless there's a victim (like in the case of fraud or defamation or CP because children), it can be vile as shit, and it's speech.

I currently see no ads at all because I have uBlock Origin. If uBlock starts to suck like ABD did, I can switch to another adblocker. I currently don't contribute towards Google's dominance of web standards because I use Firefox. I don't see why Brave is getting shilled here when it's worse than FF.

>degeneracy isn't a political minority
Imagine being this much of a brainlet

t. co-chair of the Degenerate Party

the point of the right isn't freedom, its meme freedom
gnuPG, firefox (still botnet, so could apply, but its not as outspoken as brave), librem5 don't apply to this, and startpage is just a lesser evil compared to ddg that nobody uses
monero is a meme but so is bitcoin, and the latter is more popular among "alt" people

>Unless
oh, so the shoe is on the other foot now isn't it
GJ

>I use Firefox
Switch to GNU Icecat.

"Degenerates" are amongst political minorities. You do not understand, you are more concerned with battling the jews than you are with free speech.

>monero is a meme but so is bitcoin
What does "x is a meme" even mean? Is it just code for "i don't like the public perception of this thing even though I don't have any arguments against it"?

>gnu social
nice meme
I've been banned from two instances.
And if you say >dude just start your own node lmao
what's the point of any of these
>dude just start your own XYZ lmao

I was agreeing with that dude but more permissively. "Degeneracy" doesn't have a victim.

The point is decentralization. I can have a node where I can ban anybody who uses vowels. You can have a node where you can ban anybody who doesn't use vowels. You won't have to rely on any centralized source.

>Legally, any site can kick anybody off for any reason
that's true and it's the thing we'd like to prevent by enacting free speech laws
ie laws that would treat the natural monopolies that are current age public squares the same as a public square
but in a public square you can get kicked off if you start screaming like a raving lunatic about something or other

fdroid and tor fits in, but Jow Forums should be in the left
GNU Social actually isn't botnet so I have no idea why its there. searX is fine on locally hosted instances, don't know about .me though

Right, Alex Jones would probably get kicked out of the public square for following people around and shit. But the great thing about the internet is that he can start his own site. I disagree that new laws are needed. Instead we need to stop relying on individual sites like Youtube. The internet itself should become the square. Everybody should stop using Youtube and use a more distributed technology.

i feel like shills are making those threads.

>Everybody should stop using Youtube and use a more distributed technology.
You're essentially pretending the network effect isn't real by pretending it's this simple.

What are its advantages over FF? I'm open to it.

Youtube gets shittier, UI-wise, every single day. They will be their own downfall regardless of kicking people off. But given that people are more willing now than ever to download mobile apps, a torrent-based technology could legitimately take off rather than a centralized website. Trying to clone youtube is like trying to clone myspace, it's the wrong approach.

It's fully libre (no DRM), has no telemetry whatsoever, it includes additional security features (like blocking third party zero-length images), and it's also endorsed by the FSF.
Not a lot, but a least it doesn't phone home like FF. (Yes, I know you can disable all of that on about:config but it's better to just remove it entirely.)

Kali or Tails

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jesus fucking christ this thread is so redpilled it's not even fucking funny, retards acting like infogalatic is an alternative to wikipedia, haha

wikipedia at least tries to be neutral on topics that aren't super controversial, whereas infogalactics curated front page unironically praises trump in a stunning show of unbiasedness

yes it does, it corrupts the minds of children and has no place on a site like Bitchute. Crying on Jow Forums about it isn't going to make bitchute change their mind, you have a million other sites you can watch that on.

again most of these sites are reliant on outside payment processors so they are basically forced to cuck on certain things until some rich cunt comes along to make a new payment processor

>free laws for sites
No, this is a bad idea! Right now, I can come to Jow Forums and say whatever the fuck I want and nothing will happen. Somebody else can go to hackernews and have a polite conversation about some boring-ass shit. But if we make some legal standard for when a site cannot ban somebody, it will come with some shitty fucking responsibility. Maybe they'll decide that saying NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER is unacceptable, but saying "you're a complete idiot" is fine, and then both Jow Forums and hacker news are forced to be sites they don't want to be.

>wikipedia at least tries to be neutral on topics that aren't super controversial, whereas infogalactics curated front page unironically praises trump in a stunning show of unbiasedness
I'd rather use a biased site that likes Donald Trump than a biased site that likes Karl Marx.

>corrupts the minds of children
That's a shitty basis for anything. I could say Alex Jones corrupts the minds of children, I could say Lyndon LaRouche corrupts the minds of children, but if I claim to run free speech platform, I'm not gonna limit them from my site. I don't care whether I change bitchute's mind, but the topic of the thread is free speech platforms.

did someone ask?

that's not the way i'd go about it though
you see the it's impossible to hold some faggot's racist podcast site to the same standard as natural monopolies like twatter and jewgle whose only inherent value is their userbase (ie you go to youtube because everyone else is there)
the underlying reason why today's practices are unreasonable is because government funded sites made with government infrastructure are competing with the little dude and the government says it's fair
in the best case scenario you would have regulation of the natural monopolies
sites like jewtube and jewgle and faceberg and twatter would get regulated whilst everything else stays the same

Does icecat support addons that ff does? This is hugely important.

I have no problem with the government breaking up monopolies by forcing youtube to be separate from google. But if they don't want to host content, they don't have to, just like TV networks don't have to do shit, just like Comcast doesn't have to carry channels they don't want. If you want to write legislation, you're competing against organizations with a ton of lobbying money. You will lose, it will not end in your favor. Decentralization through technology is the only solution.

Yes.

>Youtube gets shittier, UI-wise, every single day.
Okay, whatever, literally doesn't matter with what I was talking about.

I don't really give a fuck if Youtube UI gets shittier as long as it meets some baseline criteria as far as usability. And youtube has a usable UI right now so what does it matter? It's literally irrelevant to the network effect, which is what makes Youtube so entrenched. Almost every possible video I'd want to see is on youtube, so why would I switch to another site that has 1/100th the content? UI is not a strong enough reason, because youtube already has a usable UI.

When you click the Get Addons button it will take you to a GNU page with a list of libre add-ons, but you can just go to addons.mozilla.org/ and install them normally.

you act like since it's not perfectly and inhumanely unbiased it isn't better than wikipedia. That's a retarded argument. >>>/leftypol/.
they aren't monopolies because of the government, they're monopolies because the payment processors cut off every website that tries to compete with them. That's the real problem.

Whomever put this together is missing critical pieces.

*Searx
*Diaspora
*Matrix/Riot
*Internet Archive

Of the shit listed, I use YouTube, Wikipedia, and ProtonMail. I try to keep YouTube usage to specifically seeking info such as bushcraft knowledge, and do my music listening at Internet Archive, because most shit made after the 1940s is for faggots.

>you act like since it's not perfectly and inhumanely unbiased it isn't better than wikipedia. That's a retarded argument. >>>/leftypol/.
It's clearly more biased than wikipedia. Its homepage has a bunch of shit about trump and clinton and obama, while Wikipedia's homepage is about ants and shit.

I agree with you re:payment processors though

why is wikipedia on left? its not that bad right? :/

You don't have to "switch to another site." Seek out the content you want regardless of where it's hosted. Centralized platforms are bad.

It's not. Don't blindly fall for random images on the internet.

Just because the front page is biased doesn't mean the actual articles are. Try actually looking at Trump's page infogalactic.com/info/Donald_Trump

>they ban users
Did they really? Or was it somebody just spamming nigger?