How close is the present-day internet to resembling 1984?

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Fyi corps are working for governments.
Look at snowden leaks, all three letter fundings of corps, etc.

Well, it's true. People, consumerists, are utterly complacent when it comes to these matters, which is entirely unlike the fear depicted in Nineteen-Eighty Four. Soma, in the form of prescription drugs and marijuana, etc, is very real.
Who hasn't? It's a short, accessible read on the topic of authoritarianism and dystopia.

China and Russia are already there. US under the super elite interest groups convenient fool [Trump] is getting there.

This is of course true too, but the contrast still stands. It's insane that a fictional piece of hardware that was conceived as a tool of ultra totalitarian government surveillance is now being bought and installed willingly.

Brave New World has nothing to do with this thread though. Any time someone mentions 1984, there's always some brainlet like yourself bringing up Brave New World in an attempt to appear more intelligent than you are.

>thinking trump is the one pushing for it
>not obama or literally 90% of congress
Idiot.

People willingly carry around phones 24/7 despite the knowledge that they broadcast their location to any cellular receiver. People are willingly, all over the world, quickly adopting cashless payment systems with glee, despite the known fact that one's entire purchase history is tracked and sold to financial institutions and third parties. People willingly use Google services, Chrome, etc, even on Jow Forums despite the company and its services being build on data collection. People are happy because at the end of the day, after a hard week of work, they can go to their consumerist devices, put on some Netflix, smoke some legal weed, utterly content in their tiny little lives. Despite hearing stories about Chinese surveillance, they don't fear the same, because they're deluded that the West is civilized.

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>bbc
>leftist, government funded british tabloid reporting on surveillance

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>Brave New World has nothing to do with this thread though
Yes, it does, and you're the "brainlet" here, you juvenile twerp. 1984 is first and foremost about authoritarianism. The average person in the West experiences no such thing, they don't live in fear, and the state of consumer technology isn't headed in that direction, even as far as China, etc, is concerned. You cannot mention Orwell in a contemporary context without bringing up the overbearing relevance of Huxley. The two are extremes that only as one hold true today.

>1984 (and Animal Farm) is pleb fodder.
1000 times this.

>Soma, in the form of prescription drugs and marijuana, etc, is very real
Can confirm. One of my close childhood friends kept smoking pot and he's borderline retarded now. This man can hardly tie his shoes and acts like he's 12 years old. He always has this glassy look in his eyes like he can hear what you're saying but he isn't really listening. I sometimes take him out to lunch or something because I feel bad for him. He's 24 years old and spends all day in his mom's basement playing call of duty.

I mentioned it because I thought it was relevant to the OP. No one cares that you want to have a pseudo-intellectual fart huffing competition over dystopian literature. Grow the fuck up.

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>Yes, it does
No it doesn't, idiot. This thread, and most other threads about 1984, make no mention of Brave New World, until some retarded teenager like yourself brings it up because they read that one comic strip.

Except the legitimacy of Orwell's non-fiction is dubious at best. That non-fiction novel about his tramping days has made-up dates and other inconsistencies in regards to Orwell's real whereabouts and financial situation during that time.

>frogposter
It all makes sense now. Underage morons like yourself love posting pepe and trying to convince people they're intelligent.

>projecting
Fuck off, kid.

>y-you're just projecting
This is basically you admitting defeat now. What an embarrassingly stupid retard you are.

@68965832
Just admit you haven't read either Orwell or Huxley and can't stand the thought of being left out of intellectual discussion. That's why you're spazzing out ITT like a little twerp.

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1984 gets public domain 2020.
If you don't want to wait, get your copy from Library Genesis.

1984 is a complex book with many themes. I don't mention everything here, because it would be too long.

>Telescreen & Surveillance
Nothing against smartphones, Smart-TVs (looking at you Samsung) and Alexa. The worst telescreen you could probably buy.

Ad companies like Google, Amazon and three-letter-agencies are watching every step of you.
They send GPS data of your phone and your car realtime to their servers.

Cameras in cities are tracking and identifying you with AI to create motion profiles.

The surveillance is real! Even worse than in 1984.

>Emmanuel Goldstein
The typical enemy, everybody is afraid of. A terrorist! They have much movies about him and you get always remembered, that he is still here.

Our enemy are terror groups. We are afraid of them, but in reality they aren't a real danger to us. We destroyed them in past and will destroy this uneducated losers in future.

A population with fear is easier to control. Populists and fascists always use this to get elected.
Don't listen to them! We have greater problems than terrorism. Just look at the global warming or the attempt of trump to abolish healthcare for everybody.

How many people died of terrorism in the US?
2015: 25
2016: 53
2017: 10
2018: 0

How many people died in car addicents in the US?
2015: 35,485
2016: 37,806
2017: 37,133

>Ministries
We don't have something extreme like this in US and EU.
We still have freedom of speech (don't argument with the ban of infowars & other fakenews media. Freedom of speech means, you can say everything you like, not anybody needs to listen to your shit! You are probably just wrong if you believe this conspiricy shit. ), freedom of press (even when Trump attacks them) and

Probably intelligence agencies can be compared with Minilove (Ministry of Love) .

I did, the premise was good but it gets really boring tough, I like the message but I wouldn't read it again.

Freedom of press means they're free to publish information without prosecution, not that they cant be denied entry into events or talked shit about

If all you're finding that does what you want is smart TVs, you can get one and just give it wrong credentials for your wifi.

Pretty far. In 1984 there barely was an internet.

Big Brother and all the surveillance shit in 1984 is a reference to Stalin's NKVD you fucking retard.
Both of his most famous fictional works can be basically summarized as "fuck Stalin". (Animal Farm is an allegory for his rise to power)

1984 describes an authoritarian communist dystopia with dictator modelled on a mix of hitler and stalin, with a grimdark war that has been going on continuously for decades.

Brave new work describes a world of consumerism, planned obsolecence, godlessness, sexual liberation, and drug use.

Which one of the two do you think we live in?

Also, Brave new world had significant amounts of surveillance and a police state as well, just less absurd amounts of it compared to 1984 and no major WWII analog.

There's some relevance of generic dystopian fiction to today, but none of the stuff that was specifically mentioned in 1984. You're better off mentioning either 1980s cyberpunk fiction, or early 20th century dystopias before the 1930s/1940s era of dictators.

>brave new world
I want to hear your reasoning, Huxley is fucking great

I saw on amazon yesterday
"Toys for yr kid" a line of toys i bought for her once at shoprite a couple weeks ago. Who sold amazon my info, the xredit card or shoprite? Creeped me out

I love it when morons like yourself get BTFO so hard you can only resort to not using the reply function properly in a last ditch effort. How embarrassing.

>freedom of press (even when Trump attacks them)
Bahahaha, you are one stupid idiot.

>Both of his most famous fictional works can be basically summarized as "fuck Stalin"
O'Brien makes it clear that all the previous regimes including Stalin's were heavily flawed, because there was only one ruler at the top.

Other Anons already mentioned some stuff above here and here and here and then there's my blogpost here Seems like most people now are on drugs, drinking heavily, or just lost in gadgets, the internet, or other forms of escapism, myself included.

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And brave new world also had a synthetic hierarchy created by deliberately dumbing down people at birth so their IQ would match their required occupation.

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people are unironically wanting this and its sad

does animal farm count? i wanted 1984 so badly but my teacher wanted me to do animal farm (both was a option but she decided)

>oh no, recurring opinion, better activate my contrarian engine before this becomes mainstream and I'm left on the wrong side

It is a mix of both.

You are a bigger idiot.

Sorry, I have a job kiddo

The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World.

You missed a boring book with no good characters or story. Have no idea why animal farm is held in less esteem. One of the worse books I had the displeasure of reading.

To be clear, corporations are doing this because the government "isn't allowed to", due to (largely) the 5th amendment.

But the Bill of Rights is slowly being eroded, and I figure within the next 10-20 years the west will be at the same level of authoritarianism as China and Russia are now, if not further.

See
>parallel construction given the "okay" by the Supreme Court
>the amount of pro-censorship astroturfing everywhere on the web, include reddit and Jow Forums
>"we welcome whistleblowers" while every whistleblower happens to tragically commit suicide with two bullets to the back of the head or die during a """mugging""" even though nothing was stolen

Just keep in mind, if you have any inclination of owning a gun (and not having it confiscated)... Buy one, gray market, now. You won't have much longer, especially after the 2020 election.

Anyone who implies that ONLY Trump or ONLY Obama or ONLY whatever source is pushing for authoritarian control falls into one of two groups: the 99% who simply just don't know any better, or the 1% who are being paid or volunteering to spread propaganda and polarize people.

Every president since Clinton has been pushing further and further into the police state and totalitarian control. Congress has done the same - and why wouldn't they? The ones who stand up to it get ignored or, if they end up with slightly too much power, they get "removed" from office. How difficult is it to manufacturer a sexual assault claim, or plant child porn on an "undesirable" person's computer? Hint: not at all.

This.
His "non-fiction" is still his best fiction though.

clearly you havent read any of those books you little faggot

>the deranged moron can only retort with deflection
Cry some more.

Does Jow Forums even like Orwell?

>Every president since Clinton
>since Clinton
your mask is slipping a bit there buddy.

Fuck no, Orwell was a dirty pinko and half of Jow Forums are full on fascists who talk a big game about privacy and internet freedom but would happily ban 90% of social media and left-leaning websites if given the opportunity.
A good chunk of this board were spreading FUD shit about Linux and calling on people to nuke the whole project because they added a Code of Conduct inbetween one of Linus's tantrum sabbaticals.

I meant "including Clinton". But realistically, it's every president since the 1940s. All of them work for the same people
>except for JFK

And looky-loo what happened to him. Mighty convenient for the only presidential assassination in modern times to happen to the guy who was about to cut funding to the intelligence agencies and take power back from the (privately owned) federal reserve. Miiiighty convenient.

If JFK were still alive you'd call him a deep state Democrat pedo faggot, don't lie user. There's old John Birch Society pamphlets from around that time that described him as basically that, minus the pedo part.

Maybe, depends on what he would have done with his remaining time in office.

But we do know that immediately before he was killed, he was going to take a chunk out of the power that the intelligence agencies and federal reserve, both of which are anti-public entities.

There was also that president who wrapped up his term by saying "the biggest enemy the American public faces is the military industrial complex", whose name I actually can't remember. Almost like he was deliberately minimized from history education. I wonder why that is.

Get a load of this libtard NPC, lmao.

the ending makes me sad

I wish the protagonist just escaped with the girl and lived off the land

how the fuck is Orwell a pinko when 1984 and animal-farm are both anti-communist propaganda?

The mass surveillance is above and beyond 1984.

>But we do know that immediately before he was killed, he was going to take a chunk out of the power that the intelligence agencies and federal reserve, both of which are anti-public entities.
The same intelligence agencies that JFK was using to try to kill Castro and spy on MLK? The Church Committee in the 70s unveiled a lot of fucked up shit the JFK/LBJ/Nixon administrations were up to, but not a plot to kill JFK to replace LBJ?
Oswald acted alone. Deal with it.
>There was also that president who wrapped up his term by saying "the biggest enemy the American public faces is the military industrial complex", whose name I actually can't remember. Almost like he was deliberately minimized from history education. I wonder why that is.
If your shitty public school didn't teach you about Eisenhower that's your own damn fault, retard.

Orwell literally described himself as a "democratic socialist". Sounds pinko to me.

>The Church Committee in the 70s unveiled a lot of fucked up shit the JFK/LBJ/Nixon administrations were up to, but not a plot to kill JFK to replace LBJ?
>a government funded "investigation" didn't find any evidence of one of the largest betrayals of the public, carried out by the government
Color me shocked.

I'll bet you believe the 9/11 Commission's results too, huh? Except for that 28 page section that got left out, for... reasons.

You're either an astroturfer or a useful idiot - either way, just as damaging. Don't bother replying, muppet.

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>You're either an astroturfer or a useful idiot - either way, just as damaging. Don't bother replying, muppet.
I'll reply if I want to faggot.

>I'll bet you believe the 9/11 Commission's results too, huh?
>he's also a truther as well
Tell me what happened then, faggot. If Bush or (((they))) (let's face it, that's what you really mean here) did 9/11 and jet fuel can't melt steel beams, then why, a few months back, did an official Saudi government twitter account tweet an image of a plane flying towards the CN Tower as an implied threat to the Canadian Prime Minister?

kept thinking LBJ was 'lebron james' had me fucked up

Saudi Arabia was involved with 9/11 too. It was a joint operation between the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia

>jews working with muslims? no way
Yes, because when enough money and power is involved, even two groups who think each other to be literally non-human will work together.

The whole "jet fuel steel beams" thing was created as a distraction - that was never the argument or, in the eyes of the people who benefited from 9/11, a problem for the public to find out. That entire argument was created to distract from the real issue - and that is, Israel, the US, and Saudi Arabia worked together to bring down the World Trade Center.

Wealthy zionist Jews are definitely a problem, but they are absolutely not the only ones who were involved with and benefited from 9/11.

>NDAA
>Patriot Act
>Increased defense spending
>keeping the public fearful of "terrorism" - a scared population doesn't dissent
>increased foreign aid to Israel

Oh and let's not forget the Pentagon's budgetary department which was very conveniently destroyed as well. And how Lucky Larry didn't show up to work that day, nor did any of his kids, nor did all but like 3 Israeli workers in the WTC. And Larry's subsequent lawsuit against the insurance company for two payouts instead of just one because, he argued, it was technically two separate attacks. He won.

Oh wait, what about that van filled with Israeli nationals who were parked at a vantage point before the first plane hit on the morning of 9/11, with camera equipment? And smiling and laughing as the attack occurred? Just another happy coincidence I guess.

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present-day internet is closer to huxley's dystopia than owille's. internet is overflowing with filth & nonsense that drowns everything that's good

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i watched brasil, does that count ?
i seriously cant get into the book, the whole idea behind it and the never ending reddit intilectuals positing it as one of the greats makes me repulsed by it
also the cautionary tail it preached becoming a mutation of itself and knowing the misinterprotation of socialism by the masses George Orwell would have spun in his grave

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>Animal farm is non fiction
wut ?

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For you.

Try reading more books.

Nobody talking about the ownership of the copyright of 1984 George Orwell book.
C14N1664

That would miss the point entirely. There literally is no other land.

I fucking hate Orwell for writing this piece of shit of a book, I fucking hate anyone who brings it up in any chimp out thread about "muh privacy", and I fucking hate Gilliam's Brazil and how people going on about it in ways: "Like, wow, man, it's a dystopian future we live in, man, like, this is totally cyberpunk, we just need more neon lights around, man". *smacks lips on a e-cig* "This is just cyber gulag, man".

Fuck Blade Runner, fuck China and fuck reddit.

Orwell was a Trotskyite champagne socialist who pretty much disavowed all of his prewar "socialism" by the end of his life. The only retards stupid enough to take his early political ramblings seriously are the milktoast Chompsky liberals who somehow did managed to get it through their thick skulls that communism is bad, but have not yet shed all the cuck mentality that pushed them to the Left in the first place.

Pretty close, just check what they did to Alex Jones, now patreon is terminating accounts because they feel like it.

Are you sure?

What about The Iron Heel?

Why doesn't this get held in the same regard as 1984 and Brave New World? It literally predates 1984 by like 50 years.

With a dash of pic related.

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We're about 30 years in the future. The powers at be used 1984 as a guide so it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. As a result the years matched up almost exactly.

>Which one
That's a false dichotomy. 1984 is today's stick. Brave New World is today's carrot. A well trained animal might not have seen the stick in years. He might even be forgiven for concluding that the stick no longer exists. You can have your orgy-porgy if you're right with big brother. Get out of line and you go to jail for your orgy-porgy.
wired.com/story/cody-wilson-3d-printed-guns-resigns-defense-distributed/

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Fuck Reddit indeed, but the rest was meh

What point are you trying to make you monkey?
The thread is about if we live in a society similar to that of 1984, and in response people bring up another popular dystopian novel that offers a different viewpoint. You're retarded if you think you can mention one without the other in this context.

It's not entirely "Brave new world" or "1984" you can see a mixture of both in Western Civilization Soma in form of perscription drugs legal weed and all that along with now genetically modified babies in China and US but you also have the mass surveillance that is capable today which far surpasses that of "1984" arguing over which book is more accurate is retarded because neither is going to be 100% accurate

and (You) are different? except you use Jow Forums instead of CoD

>...and knowing the misinterprotation of socialism by the masses George Orwell would have spun in his grave

he would be appalled not because of people thinking he was talking of "socialism" but to the fact that "that wonderful socialism" is in fact taking real measures to "thought control" totalitarism.

Not close what so ever, it is significantly worse.

I have.

Burn the kikes alive
>If I get banned for this it proves I'm right

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