TN panels have shit colors, viewing angles, gamma shift

>TN panels have shit colors, viewing angles, gamma shift
>IPS monitors have BLB, IPS glow, higher amount of dead pixels
>VA has ghosting, smearing, overshoot, black crush
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN CHOOSE A MONITOR???? WHY ARE MONITOR MANUFACTURERS ALLOWED TO MAKE SHIT PRODUCTS?

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just get a 240hz tn panel and dab on hzlets

OLED

>Buying a monitor that needs a fan
Lmaoing@yourlife

what the fuck are you on about

enjoy the inevitable image retention

NanoIPS in a bright room.

poorest color reproduction, prevalent burn-in with use

>burn-in if you look at a static image for more than 10 sec

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whats the difference between image retention and burn in

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VA with FALD and backlight strobing is the best you'll get aside from OLED.
Just wait for µLED TVs.

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>Want the colors of IPS
>dont want to deal with the panel lottery and horrible blb/dead pixels.
What the actual FUCK do i do Jow Forums?

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>poorest color reproduction
Anyone who spouts this meme automatically outs themselves as knowing nothing about OLED

>tfw won the panel lottery

Ever thought of getting a
>good
TN panel? Because these actually exist.

>buying old tech for no reason

>poorest color reproduction
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

What the actual fuck are you talking about you retard? OLED has the best natural color reproduction and range. TFT based LCDs need special backlights and filters to achieve similar color reproduction. Once samsung combines OLED with their photoemissive quantum dot filters it's going to skyrocket past LCD. Modern VA with Samsung's QLED filter is barely a match for LG's shitty white OLED, it's not going to be a match at all for the "QOLED" displays. Hell, it's not even a match for Samsung's AMOLED

I gave up trying to find the best monitor, just take whatever fullhd 24" tn trash you can get and get on with it.
wiat for oled-derivated shit to come out of labs.
I bet on at least 10 year for the first affordable non-trash monitor.

FALD really is a big meme for any sort of image quality. It's good for watching fast paced movies but aggressive FALD destroys image quality because you can lose details from excessive dimming, or in the case of Samsung's high end Q9F and the Vizio Quantum P excessive brightening. If you want strictly image quality then you should just keep FALD off. The zones are simply too big to use without losing detail.

There is not a single TV in existence that can do rec2020, so unless you're trying to tie yourself down to sRGB (why?) what's the point in "accuracy"? People look at TVs to be dazzled. FALD on my TCL TV doesn't cause lost details, and you have three levels of local dimming to work with (as well as off).
The only real issues with FALD are haloing/brightness drops when sharp, high contrast images fall over a line of LEDs. That and the corners of the display.
Either way, until µLED TVs are on the market it's pretty much the best we get without going OLED .

A T420 user here
PLEASE point me to a good panel for this laptop.

b u r n i n

Image retention goes away, burn in doesn't.
Even LCDs sometimes get image retention.

Spend $2.5k on an Eizo.

I'm not talking about color accuracy. I'm talking about small details like stars or small lights in a dark scene being dimmed because the FALD algorithm determined the zone was mostly dark. It's well documented that small, high contrast details can be lost. It's especially pronounced on the overly aggressive Q9 and QP TVs that do dimming and brightening, which is how they achieve the 25,000:1 contrast on checkboard tests but give up quality in practice.

Use tn for gaming (high refresh rate) and ips for everything else.

TN panels are great, just configure the colors like a normal person. And who cares about viewing angles? You're supposed to be looking straight at your monitor, not from an angle kek

Spending more money mostly provides better binned panels. Im getting a Asus 27" 144hz freesync 1440p monitor when income tax rolls around.

>And who cares about viewing angles? You're supposed to be looking straight at your monitor, not from an angle kek

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Do you have eyes as big as your monitor? If not you are looking at it fron am angle.

source on that pape?

Because you faggot normie scum didn't gave FED a chance.

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get a trinitron

Buy a lightly used one off craigslist and inspect it closely before buying.

What kind of panel is my roku LED tv using?

you singing a song or something?
ohhhhhhhhh led how I love youuuuuu
ooooooohhhhhhhh ledd i luvvv u so oooooooo

who PLS master race?

CRT is the answer

stop. literally stop.

Best cardoons
Darkest blacks

Yeah, who the hell is watching content at a crap angle?

My monitor is 11", I can see it fine straight-on

I grep up in the 90's.
Screens were shit back then.

You kids need to appreciate what you have, not whine whenever it's not as perfect as the rest of your easily little lives.

When you have a big screen anything but the center is at a "crap angle".

I think part of the frustration is that raw image quality hasn't really improved at all in 10+ years, and in some cases it's even gone backwards. We get higher resolutions and refresh rates, more features like GSync etc., but stuff like backlight bleed and IPS glow is more prevalent than ever.

You guys might find this funny, but I don't know if it's unusual or not. The Nintendo 3DS family has a really extreme screen lottery: there are TN and IPS models, but you can't tell from the box or serial. It's totally random and a lot of people find it frustrating. (top and bottom screens can even be different)

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that's why you buy QLED

But then you're back to

i got dual TN, but its harder to tell on the 3DS viewing angle wise than a monitor for some reason

what kind of panel do regular LED TVs from bestbuy use?

All kinds, depends on the model.

If there is nopurpose behind it, its just infuriating.. to have mismatched displays because those people are incopetent

Just buy and return IPS monitors until you get a good one.

>but stuff like backlight bleed and IPS glow is more prevalent than ever.
I have a sneaking suspicion monitor manufactures are getting cheap on us
There are alot of early 2000s LCDs that I've seen even off brand stuff that have uniform panels and look pretty excellent considering
Yet today you can buy a monitor form a "trusted" brand that looks worse and has visible flaws with the only upside being resolution

Majority is going to be VA with some IPS
Most LGs and a few Sony models are IPS literally everyone else is VA and is VA for a good reason

literally this
i returned 40 IPS monitors before I got a perfect one, i was returning so many at my best buy that they just started testing them there so i didnt have to go home

>dead pixels
What kind of third world shithole do you even live in? I've literally never seen an LCD with a single dead pixel in it, let alone panels with dead pixels sold at a store. It's not even a conversation topic here, literally never happens.

5 years ago my dad bought a super chink 55 inch 1080p TV (Makena is the brand) for less than 200 dollars. I still use it to this day, it has an stuck pixel. Other than that, I have never seen defective pixels on brand new panels.

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FBI we are going to need you to come down to the station for questioning

MAYOOOOR..... I'M BURNIIINNGG

>buys from chinks
>gets subpar product with dead pixels

Imagine living in the US of A or The European Union, paying 2000$ for a top of the line monitor with all the features imaginable to man

And when you unpack it, it comes with two or more dead pixels

It doesn't matter with IPS, every brand no matter the price has a very high risk of coming with dead pixels. Ironically the high tier ones are more likely to come with them

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Can you guys recommend a cheaper IPS monitor?
Thinkvision seems like a meme

>get 144hz tn monitor for gaming
>get oled tv for video consumption
wow that was hard

>I have a sneaking suspicion monitor manufactures are getting cheap on us
They literally have, at least as far as IPS is concerned.

Read this: studiodaily.com/2018/07/review-hp-dreamcolor-z31x-studio-display/

>So who makes the panel for the Z31x? There’s an interesting background story on this, because the current crop of IPS panels may have been compromised to make them more widely available. According to Greg Staten, who is HP’s DreamColor product manager, HP couldn’t find a panel with the performance it needed because the panel manufacturers had altered the original IPS design to lower the cost of the panels.

The TL;DR is Panasonic makes the only "good" IPS panels these days.

I wonder if this is true for TN as well
You can by a TN panel today and it can be absolute garbage but on real older monitors they can be quite acceptable

This. If you aren't spending $2000+ on a monitor then you have to understand you're essentially buying budget options for consumers. BLB, ghosting, dead pixels etc are common because even $500 monitors are considered low end

I'd disagree that if you are buying anything less than a 2k monitor it's consumer junk, You are throwing out an arbitrary figure that is rather meaningless.
Spending $2000 isn't unrealistic for a monitor but you don't have to spend that much to get a perfect panel depending on what your looking for

For once it's nice to have socialist laws here in slavistan. The product is legally not salesworthy if it has any visible or functional defects.

is curved a meme?

Don't buy gaymen IPS shit from asus or acer. Get a recent model LG 4k monitor and enjoy it for 3-7 years before the next generation of shit gets sorted out and affordable.

you don't play games? you watch movies? VA

Just buy something like eizo?

What is BLB, ghosting, smearing, overshoot, and black crush?
From what I know it seems that IPS or VA is best for movies and stuff, but idk.

>BLB
Backlight bleed. It's when the LED backlight leaks through on a dark background, usually around the edges. IPS most suffer from this, due their incomplete blockage of light. OP's pic is a good example. VA is the best in this regard.

>ghosting, smearing, overshoot
These all basically refer to the same thing: LCD's slow pixel transitions leave trails or "ghosts" behind rapidly moving objects. Many monitors will use an overdrive function to attempt to compensate for it, but that can result in "overshoot," where instead of a dark trail, you get a lighter one. See pic related.
TN is better/faster than IPS, which is usually better than VA (which suffers from smearing especially in dark transitions).

>black crush
This is when near-black details in an image get "crushed" down to black, so it just looks entirely black with no detail.
Mainly a problem with VA panels (usually in the center where the contrast is the highest).

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One of the express purposes of AH-IPS and AHVA was to lower costs. That's not even a secret.

>What the actual fuck are you talking about you
the reality of graphics work

i'm aware of what you're talking about though, having an interpretation of color oversaturation as "good colors"
that line of thinking is as accurate as oled's ability to display proper colors at any print house

>the reality of graphics work
The current top of the line film production and medical imaging monitors are expensive Sony OLEDs that cost like 15k

LCD need not apply.

>The current top of the line
in other words, unadopted

Maybe not, but it's pretty clear it's not widely known.
Also lower cost doesn't necessarily imply lower quality. You could guess some corners would need to be cut, but that article provides concrete verification to that effect.

>Also lower cost doesn't necessarily imply lower quality

True. IPS technology has generally gone up hill and if they were willing to throw out more bad panels it would be a straight up improvement over every version. But IIRC with AH-IPS one of the selling points was that the more efficient light transmission meant they could save money on backlighting and power delivery components since it was more efficient. That also meant better contrast and possibly colors due to improved light transmission. But backlight bleed seemingly increased with it and some of the early AH-IPS monitors even had persistence issues and came with refresh features.

Now that AOC is making like all of the panels quality has gone down the drain. I'm guessing they don't do any real QC at all and just sell people on "gayming" and refresh rates. It's a symptom of the tech going too mainstream but also consumerism going awry imo. IPS was originally an alternative to TN for designers and other artsy folk so a lot of the improvements were aimed at appealing to businesses who have more stringent requirements, as seen with HP as you posted. But gamers will just consume everything apparently, at some really obscene prices like most of the g-sync monitors on the market. Even the home cinema industry is more competitive than this.

>AOC
I assume you mean AUO. I agree that quality doesn't seem to be a high priority for them, but from what I've seen LG and Samsung-manufactured panels don't fare much better.

100% agree with the tcl fald

However, here is a good point to make, you do loose details, its all about what you are willing to loose

on a dark image, I lose some of the brighter details, but at the same time, what is lost is still visible.
on a bright image that doesn't fill the screen, I don't have bars of black light. which makes watching anything that isn't 16:9 FAR better.
The bit of dimness around edges is more or less not a problem, and honestly, in a star filled sky shot, the dimmer stars are less an issue then being able to very easily see the screens border.

fald is far from a meme, but till tcl you had to pay out the ass for good implementations and usually even the good ones were adding 200+ms of lag to the display. now we get local dimming without lag.

Xled WHEN? the amoled in my phone is better than all monitors and TV's

Are there any TN monitors that have decents colors, somewhat close to IPS colors? What are the most IPS-like TN models available?

>OLED
>For a PC
You are an absolute idiot.

i would also like to know
ive heard the Dell one is pretty good if you get one of the late revisions, also heard the viewsonic one was good?

It happens. Especially on cheap AUO etc. panels; this is another reason to buy Apple, I have never seen a Mac with dead pixels, but plenty of HP, Dell etc.

Dunno, but probably the best way is go to 1-star reviews from verified purchasers and see what they have to say.
You can forget Dell after their release of the s2716dg gsync monitor with that fag optronics panel that has horrid viewing angles and such bad color banding that dark scenes in movies are unwatchable (literally, you cant see a thing).
Take a nice 10 year break and come back when hardware manufacturers have fired all the shitheads who memorized their way through university.

It's a meme. You don't hear of the millions of customers who got perfect panels.

C R T
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Get a CRT

I've got a 240Hz display. It actually runs quite cool. Dabbing is for fags and retards however.

Pick based on what your primary use will be.
High motion gaming - TN
Professional art and movies - IPS
Compromise - VA
Another note is that TN displays tend to be cheapest, though I doubt that's #1 on your priority list.

Enjoy your distorted geometry

>i returned 40 IPS monitors
If I attempt this in my country, the store would literally ban me from entering it for a lifetime

That's not really right, VA has higher contrast so it's better for movies.
I'd say the divide is nicer expressed like this:
Content creation - IPS
Content consumption - VA

Fair enough. It has been a bit since I did my research, so mistakes are to be expected. Thank you for your correction.

My last monitor was a dell 2707wfp that is currently on life support. Do i lose much when i go with a 27UD69P-W? I have read that those shits all have horrible backlight bleeding but i simply don't have the budget of 10 years ago anymore.
A must is freesync, 4K and ~27". I don't want to deal with horrible DPI this time. I noticed VA and many other different paneltypes when i go through shops but almost all of them seem to be dead technology from old models. I ain't getting old models due to shitty freesync range so I need something from this year.
Any tips? IPS is not a must so long as the viewing angles aren't shit.