The x86 vs ARM war is happening as we speak Jow Forums

ftfy

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>you can do whatever you like
But that means an entirely new class of hardware manufacturers will emerge. One that opens up their systems in previously unseen ways.

The fact that ARM implementations do not have a standardized system like UEFI or legacy BIOS is one reason why it is not successful

>desktops will run ARM
lol you think game de/v/s and /v/irgins will care?
they are practically keeping the consumer/prosumer mid to high end x86 desktop market alive, without them the only desktop computers that would exist would be NUCs for normies, and for them ARM would work fine

servers are on ARM, phones are on ARM, low power desktop PCs are slowly going ARM, only thing that isn't ARM are gaming PCs, and that's going to take a while to convert them, especially if you consider that if you make an ARM processor as powerful as a standard 2700X it's going to consume the same amount of power and it's going to run no games at all

>servers are on ARM,
you are a retard

Of course. Nothing will make me happier than when x86 finally dies off. Microshit and x86 will die off together and take the entire desktop and laptop PC hardware industry with it. The only options left will be Qualcomm and Apple, and the bumbling fucks at Jewgle will spell the death of Android. The entire planet will transition to Apple, and freetards will literally neck themselves because they'll be barred from entry.

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it's happening user

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>>then write your own OS from scratch
Linux works on ARM retard

>>But that means an entirely new class of hardware manufacturers will emerge. One that opens up their systems in previously unseen ways.
This is what freetards actually believe. The ONLY reason x86 is open the way it is, is because that's how computer hardware evolved.
You really think any multibillion dollar corporation making a product today wants you fucking around with their products?

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There's still tons of x86 hardware out there. Linux won't be dying anytime soon. But give it a decade or so after the world goes full ARM. Freetards will be running ancient computers from 10 years ago suffering daily hardware failures with no replacement parts after the world locked them out. And we'll laugh because this is the "freedom" that they wanted.

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>implying we won't just order power tools

kike

both are garbage, iks deh

It can happen all it wants. It's not going to be a thing until they show vendors they can beat x86 performance without costing more or increasing the number of cpus needed. Avoiding the need to have additional cpus is a big one for companies that license enterprise software by the cpu/socket.

can't I just compile my GNU shit for an ARM platform?

I don't even know why this is a thing. I'd rather use a piece of shit pentium 4 and a rpi

It should be illegal to lock hardware.

x86 will die out in our lifetime. It is garbage. The only reason it stays around is because Intel are kikes. AMD realises that the future is in RISC architectures, like ARM, RISC-V, and Power.

ARM is ass.
MIPS, POWER (Desktop), and RISC-V are all superior for personal computers.
All are just as susceptible to fractured standards though.

*blocks your path*

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They gotta just like, put 2 CPUs in one socket and call them cores. I think somebody has done that.

The motherboard firmware on nuMacs hides drive access from you using the T2 chip unless the image is signed by Apple.
No idea how any of this is legal, but Internet Explorer wasn't...

That's exactly what they're already doing with ARM. Do you think you could ever get an octacore x86 phone?

Shitty bait, most Linux distros has an arm version and lots of software available. Plus you can always compile the open source stuff yourself to arm

Z80 is future

Because it doesn't take effect until after UEFI.
You can still USB boot linux, but if you do, you're locked out of your laptop's internal drive.
Corporations shouldn't be bound by regulation and law, this is the freedom freetards asked for. :^)

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>port linux to ARM
>99.999999999% of all ARM hardware blocks you from running it
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Yeah. Considering how crazy x86 is getting with Ryzen, yeah, I think it would happen in a couple years if we didn't have ARM for phones. But current octacore phones are actually a bit different thing as all cores aren't supposed to work together to boost performance (well they do when you need all the power you can get) but the primary aim is to have a set of low-powered cores for power-efficiency when computing power isn't needed much.

The majority of ARM devices are mobile phones, and the majority (more than 85%) of mobile phones run Linux. What are you on about?

phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-jetson-xavier&num=1

openbenchmarking.org/result/1812245-SP-NVIDIAJET57

Here complex benchmark on new ARM CPU nvidia.

2 to 3 slower than intel core in best case, 15 to 20 slower than intel core in worst case, heavy FP workloads non optimizate ARM libs, consume 15w to 25w.

Muh ARM.

Wait, can someone give me the QRD on what everyone is talking about?

Quality meme™ you got there. Most arm devices with an os(especially embedded) uses the Linux kernel or a fork

>Corporations shouldn't be bound by regulation and law, this is the freedom freetards asked for. :^)
>freedom of consumers from corporations = freedom of corporations from law
>t. retard

>the Linux kernel
As opposed to what, exactly? The Linux bootloader? No such thing. Linux is just a kernel, nothing more.

Pinebook

pine64.org/?page_id=3707

locked down oem androshit is not linux

geekwire.com/2018/amazon-web-services-introduces-custom-designed-arm-server-processor-promises-45-percent-lower-costs-workloads/

>ARM Cortex A53

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Exactly I'm just being clear with what I mean

>locked down oem androshit is not linux
It runs on Linux, which is what makes it Linux. Linux can be locked down, that doesn't affect it being Linux. Android is still a Linux based OS.

>2 GB LPDDR3 RAM Memory
>2 GB
>RAM Memory

>proprietary hardware that only runs amazon signed code

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PS5 will be powered by a arm processor.

>More than enough power to run any serious programs (i.e. not vidya gaymes which are children's entertainment)
>still complains

Jow Forums

>(i.e. not vidya gaymes which are children's entertainment)
"Vidya gaymes" are a valid artistic and narrative medium and have the power to change the world and instantiate large scale cultural change

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>"Vidya gaymes" are a valid artistic and narrative medium and have the power to change the world and instantiate large scale cultural change
The discord kiddies and wintoddlers are going to rise up and threaten democracy now? What a time to be alive.

@69081927
Weak bait, no (You) for you.

Doesn't really matter. ARM offers power efficiency. Other companies will be forced to follow Amazon's example in order to stay competitive.

>Firefox with 1 YouTube + 4 text based tabs open uses 1.3GB on it's own
Yeah keep telling yourself that

>more proprietary hardware that only runs proprietary software
freetards BTFO

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Not bait.
>The discord kiddies and wintoddlers are going to rise up and threaten democracy now?
No, they're going to rise up and protect it. They're going to rise up and take full advantage of it. And it won't just be them -- at least, not the ones you're thinking of. Video games are a valid artistic and narrative medium, but have yet to be truly used as such. They have the power to change the world and instantiate large scale cultural change, but no one's really made a concentrated effort to use them for that purpose yet, at least not as anything but an experiment. When a game emerges that can truly make a statement, the people who rise up to carry out its will won't be the "discord kiddies and wintoddlers." It will be a game that touches the hearts of a wide variety of demographics, and so a wide variety of demographics will rise up. That's the only way it *can* be, because if it were any other way, the army they'd amass would not be large enough.

I choose POWER9.

Wrong. Most ARM devices have locked down bootloaders or very little documentation about how they start up. So people have to do a bunch of reverse engineering and make hacky workarounds, often risking the bricking of these devices, as there's no firmware backup methods or downloads anywhere. Hate x86 and EFI all you want but at least there's some standardization. Enough to get a Linux kernel booting at least.

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Gamers are delusional. Nice sophistry.

RISC-V STRONK

What went wrong?

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why do you need 5 tabs open (pro-tip: you don't), and you should be using falkon or qutebrowser anyways.

>Gamers
I'm not a gamer though, just an advocate for the artistic value of games as a medium

Intel just release shitty,expensive chips ... wait!

>no one needs more than one cpu core and 512MB ram REEEEEEEE
kys shitstain

The problem is that when ARM is ramped up to the same clock speeds as x86-64 you don't get a performance improvement. It's benefit can come from power efficiency, as it's pseudo-RISC architecture means less switching transistors, thus less power draw to switch all those transistors. The idea behind ARM is that most low-end and mobile use cases mix performance and power usage as their highest priorities, not raw computational power.

ARM will probably overtake the low end market of mobile computing (laptops) in the next few years, but not desktops, workstations, and servers.

>just an advocate for the artistic value of games as a medium
ping ping me shoot the bad guy, truly the masterpiece of my generation.

> Most ARM devices have locked down bootloaders or very little documentation about how they start up.

That's true. But the reason for that is because most high end ARM devices are running on unique chips, peripherals and board design.

Sure they could document everything and open everything, but only an extremely small portion of the user base cares so why even bother? Plenty of manufacturers tried to release open devices and they all fail.

Well, no, not THOSE kinds of games. Those are shit. Truly an abuse of the medium. Those kinds of games are the equivalent of blatant pornography in visual art.

>why do you need 5 tabs open
never written anything substantial, right? like, a paper for which you need multiple sources and stuff
>falkon, qutebrowser
have fun with your toy browser that doesn't even support the most basic extensions. who needs noscript, right?

Look, all I'm saying is, that 'laptop' is a toy. In fact, the website clearly states it's something to 'tinker' with. And the fact that I can get a decent used laptop that's going to run full desktop software (and run it well) for the same 100 bucks tells me everything I need to know.

So what kinds of games? What can video toys do that any other medium can't?

>Semi-proprietary trash vs absolutely proprietary trash
hmmmm

>Android is Linux
Duh, phones, router, servers, iot, etc. all running Linux. They are data mining or adware infested malware ridden unsafe cryptolocker garbage by default.
Linux is literally botnet, the most insecure operating system.

Everyone is fun posting or grossly misinformed. Windows, Linux, and iOS (MacOS?) can run on arm and x86 plus many other architectures. The op image is bs.

no no no, man you forgot to buy the loot-boxes. They're $5, but one in every million has a special DLC where you play as the bad guy and realize he was the GOOD guy all along! It's like the duality of man, 'n' shiet. Very deep. Thanks Goldberg Gaming studio for creating this masterpiece!

>mfw in a couple of years ARM will die and then the true masterrace RISC-V will come in and save us all

x86 is like Microsoft, they will let you do almost anything you want in its playground, as long as you pay your dues.

ARM is like an evil version of linux, where linux distros generally try to constantly one-up each other on how free and open they are, ARM OEMS keep trying to one-up each other on how hard they can fuck their users

How are those 5 year old ARM phones holding up these days? Why don't you just slap an old version of linux on it to get it running good as new? Oh wait, you can't.

>that any other medium can't?
When did this become a point of discussion? I never said anything about them being able to do anything "that any other medium can't." But if you think that's a reason for them not to exist as a medium, you're thinking of artistic expression the wrong way.
As for what kinds of games, I'm talking about games with narrative depth, complex morals, and a message about our present society. They come in all genres, so there's no more specific way to summarize it. You just know them when you see them.

>When did this become a point of discussion?
So you just want to replicate what other mediums have done with toys?
>You just know them when you see them.
Has there been one yet?

It's funny because ARMshit is self terminating by locking out users. They can easily be replaced by anything else if the market shifts, because their users will have no choice of staying on their old abandoned ARM devices.

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How long until we get some kind of publicly licenserd architecture that anyone can use and modify

There were some snapdragon based laptops recently but they didn’t caught on.

>just because only major corporations are currently interested in ARM, that means only major corporations will always be interested in ARM!
You're completely delusional

We already have them.

RISC-V

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listen up tards, x86 is now an abstraction on top of a risc core. intel will slowly expose the underlying risc instructions, and release software tooling to match. big players latch onto it for performance reasons. 30 years, bada bing bada boom, RISC for urrybody, and Intel kept their spot at the top.

>>just because major corporations are currently interested in locking out users, doesn't mean major corporations will always be interested in locking out users!
You're completely delusional

>game
>owned by big corpo
>power to change the world
>not being used to promote agenda against humanity and its true diversity

Are you retarded?

>inb4 muh indie shit,
Yeah, good luck trying to localize such powerful game properly, in the 95% cases are just a luxury most people (and I'm not talking about the average WASP cuck) can't afford.
So leave your fake idealist feefees at the door, thanks.

You wish Kike.

Computers used to be 100% proprietary, including x86, you autist

x86 emulation is retarded slow on ARM. x86, being CISC, does in hardware what RISC will have to do in software. ARM will only take over when they manage to make their raw computational power greater than that of x86. Intel has no reason to play the x86 emulation game, especially since server and workstation demands have no need to deal with ARM.

>t. retard

>we should push the entire industry back to being 100% proprietary
Kill yourself you brain dead subhuman.

x86 IS proprietary, you fucking brainlet. Intel owns the rights. They only licensed it to Cyrix and AMD long ago, and now maintain it with AMD due to potential anti-trust litigation from the West.

And before that they were 100% free.

>Costs more than a used Thinkpad